"THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

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Biblical time is the night first followed by daylight second. Its from Genesis 1. According to the scriptures the 4th commandment says that the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week in Exodus 20:10 which is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3.

Okay, but why use Genesis? That seems rather odd to me.

 

[3rdAngel]

Okay, but why use Genesis? That seems rather odd to me.

It is what the Jewish people base they reckoning of time (the Torah) and the Genesis account. They have been keeping it according to the scriptures for 4000 + years unbroken this way
to Jesus and the Apostles as well as the early Church after the death of Jesus and the Apostles and has been continued to be kept by people outside of the mainstream Church's to this very present day as well us by the Jewish people.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is what the Jewish people base they reckoning of time (the Torah) and the Genesis account. They have been keeping it according to the scriptures for 4000 + years unbroken this way
to Jesus and the Apostles as well as the early Church after the death of Jesus and the Apostles and has been continued to be kept by people outside of the mainstream Church's to this very present day as well us by the Jewish people.

But there does not appear to be any good reason to believe that the Jewish people kept the Sabbath for that period of time. Right now your argument is only "Well the Jews believed it.". Why not any other day of the week? And it may have been kept by some early Christians but the evidence for that is not very strong.

 

[3rdAngel]

But there does not appear to be any good reason to believe that the Jewish people kept the Sabbath for that period of time. Right now your argument is only "Well the Jews believed it.". Why not any other day of the week? And it may have been kept by some early Christians but the evidence for that is not very strong.

No my argument from has always been from the scriptures as shown just recently in post # 1538 linked and in post # 1539 linked which just refuted @Soapy's earlier post that I am sure he will not address. For example in those posts it shows from the scriptures in Exodus 20:10 the scriptures definition of the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as the seventh day of the week not any day of the week..

• "But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" - Exodus 20:10

This is because the 4th commandments seventh day Sabbath which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that we are to remember is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 that says..

• "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK THAT HE HAD MADE AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." - Genesis 2:1-3.

So the scriptures are very specific on what day we are to remember according to God's 4th commandment and why God says..

• "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY. WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY." - Exodus 20:8-11

You can see that it is the "seventh day" we are to remember according to Gods' 4th commandment, not any day of our choosing. Gods' 4th commandment that nearly all of the Christian world has forgotten is the "seventh day" because it is a memorial of creation. In fact Exodus 20:11 is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 nearly word for word. The fact that the Jews have also kept Gods' 4th commandment every seventh day only adds further evidence to what I have already been sharing here through the scriptures. This is why the Sabbath will be continued to be kept in the new heavens and new earth..

• "FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH WHICH I SHALL MAKE SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME , said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER SHALL ALL FLESH COME TO WORSHIP BEFORE ME, said the LORD." - Isaiah 66:22-23

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No my argument from has always been from the scriptures as shown just recently in post # 1538 linked and in post # 1539 linked which just refuted @Soapy's earlier post that I am sure he will not address. For example in those posts it shows from the scriptures in Exodus 20:10 the scriptures definition of the Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as the seventh day of the week not any day of the week..

• "But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD" - Exodus 20:10

This is because the 4th commandments seventh day Sabbath which is one of Gods' 10 commandments that we are to remember is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 that says..

• "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And ON THE SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK THAT HE HAD MADE AND RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." - Genesis 2:1-3.

So the scriptures are very specific on what day we are to remember according to God's 4th commandment and why God says..

• "REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA AND ALL THAT IN THEM IS AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY. WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY." - Exodus 20:8-11

You can see that it is the "seventh day" we are to remember according to Gods' 4th commandment, not any day of our choosing. Gods' 4th commandment that nearly all of the Christian world has forgotten is the "seventh day" because it is a memorial of creation. In fact Exodus 20:11 is a reference back to Genesis 2:1-3 nearly word for word. The fact that the Jews have also kept Gods' 4th commandment every seventh day only adds further evidence to what I have already been sharing here through the scriptures.

Take Care.

I know that your arguments come from the scriptures. But relying on them only is an act of fanfiction. A question that I asked you a long time ago.

Here is a hint on why your use of fanfiction fails. The creation story is a myth. Just like the Harry Potter series. There was no "first day".

 

[3rdAngel]

I know that your arguments come from the scriptures. But relying on them only is an act of fanfiction. A question that I asked you a long time ago. Here is a hint on why your use of fanfiction fails. The creation story is a myth. Just like the Harry Potter series. There was no "first day".

Not really anything to respond to here. Unless you want to argue origin of life. Even here there is no evidence against creation. If you want to start a new thread on the topic send me a link. I am not interested in talking fan fiction with you who is an atheist that was once a Christian that departed God and His Word and cannot prove there is no God and the origin of life. This topic and OP is on what day is "the Lords day". Happy to discuss this here. Your interpretation or "fan fiction" is the opposite of mine. I think what you believe as fact is fan fiction so we will never agree.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not really anything to respond to here. Unless you want to argue origin of life. Even here there is no evidence against creation. If you want to start a new thread on the topic send me a link. I am not interested in talking fan fiction with you who is an atheist that was once a Christian that departed God and His Word and cannot prove there is no God and the origin of life. This topic and OP is on what day is "the Lords day". Happy to discuss this here. Your interpretation or "fan fiction" is the opposite of mine. I think you what you believe as fact is fan fiction so we will never agree.

Okay, so we agree. There was no "first day". It is a failed concept because the Earth did not form in one day and there would be no way to say "this is the first day". But you still do not seem to see that what you are doing is treating the Bible as a piece of fiction that is being followed literally by a fan. In other words you are treating it as fanfiction rather than trying to look for deeper meanings. Yes, exegesis is a valid tool. But so is eisegesis. If one uses one or the other to excess he will end up with trivially refutable beliefs.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: ↑ Not really anything to respond to here. Unless you want to argue origin of life. Even here there is no evidence against creation. If you want to start a new thread on the topic send me a link. I am not interested in talking fan fiction with you who is an atheist that was once a Christian that departed God and His Word and cannot prove there is no God and the origin of life. This topic and OP is on what day is "the Lords day". Happy to discuss this here. Your interpretation or "fan fiction" is the opposite of mine. I think you what you believe as fact is fan fiction so we will never agree.

Your response here...

Okay, so we agree. There was no "first day". It is a failed concept because the Earth did not form in one day and there would be no way to say "this is the first day". But you still do not seem to see that what you are doing is treating the Bible as a piece of fiction that is being followed literally by a fan. In other words you are treating it as fanfiction rather than trying to look for deeper meanings. Yes, exegesis is a valid tool. But so is eisegesis. If one uses one or the other to excess he will end up with trivially refutable beliefs.

You are probably best to read the post you are responding to before responding. It seems you did not do this. Sorry I do not believe your claims here so we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your response here...

You are probably best to read the post you are responding to before responding. It seems you did not do this. Sorry I do not believe your claims here so we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

Okay, so we may not agree. It sure seemed that way.

What part of my claims do you not believe? I will gladly support claims about the formation of the Earth, the age of it, how life evolved etc.. Various stories in the Bible never happened. For example early Christian geologists were the first to show that the Noah's Ark story was a myth. Historians have shown that Luke's nativity is self contradictory. There are very very serious problems with the Bible if one tries to take it literally. But as I said, just admit that you are treating the Bible as fanfiction and I am out of here.

 

[3rdAngel]

Okay, so we may not agree. It sure seemed that way.

What part of my claims do you not believe? I will gladly support claims about the formation of the Earth, the age of it, how life evolved etc.. Various stories in the Bible never happened. For example early Christian geologists were the first to show that the Noah's Ark story was a myth. Historians have shown that Luke's nativity is self contradictory. There are very very serious problems with the Bible if one tries to take it literally. But as I said, just admit that you are treating the Bible as fanfiction and I am out of here.

Start up a new thread and send me a link. This OP is on "the Lords say"

 

[samtonga43]

Really. Prove that it is an assumption.

Do you know that he is 'running away'?
Do you know that his exegesis fails?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Start up a new thread and send me a link. This OP is on "the Lords say"

But it applies to this thread. It shows how you are abusing exegesis.

This is why I have said more than once: admit that you are just doing arguing using fanfiction arguments here and I am out of here.

 

[samtonga43]

‘You haven’t answered the questions I asked you’

This reminds me, Soapy...
I questioned you a while ago about your claim that a lawyer prays to a judge, and that 3rdAngel prays to you.
I don't believe you ever responded. Can you do so now? Thanks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you know that he is 'running away'?

Yes, and I demonstrated that countless times. One cannot quote him "running away". What one can do is to demonstrate it. That is why I kept asking the questions that he would not even acknowledge. As before if you smack him around long enough he eventually tires of running and answers. When someone is running away the only way to show it is to keep asking the same questions again and again. One cannot quote posts that do not exist.

Do you know that his exegesis fails?

Yes, because he has no sound basis for it. He has discussed it a bit but he refuses to touch why it fails. He bases his claims on parts of the Bible that never happened. And upon claims that he cannot support. For example when he claims that "Moses wrote the ten commandments (please note that is paraphrase, not a direct quote) he would need to prove that Moses did that and the Bible is not good enough for that. When one goes out of the Bible it appears that Moses was legendary at best and likely did not exist at all. This is why excessive exegesis fails. One has to rely on events that never happened. Excessive eisegesis fails as well since one can get the Bible to say almost anything when one plays reinterpretation games.

 

[samtonga43]

But it applies to this thread. It shows how you are abusing exegesis.

This is why I have said more than once: admit that you are just doing arguing using fanfiction arguments here and I am out of here.

Fanfiction? If it is true for 3rdAngel, how can it be 'fanfiction'?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Fanfiction? If it is true for 3rdAngel, how can it be 'fanfiction'?

That is poorly worded. In fact it implies that it is fanfiction since some people can believe fiction so strongly that they think that it is real. Extreme fans will argue as if Batman is real, or Spiderman (there is more evidence for him since New York City is a real place). He is arguing as if all of the Bible were literally true when that can be shown not to be the case. That is treating it as if it were fanfiction. It does not matter if he really believes it any more than if a person really believes in Spiderman.

 

[3rdAngel]

That is poorly worded. In fact it implies that it is fanfiction since some people can believe fiction so strongly that they think that it is real. Extreme fans will argue as if Batman is real, or Spiderman (there is more evidence for him since New York City is a real place). He is arguing as if all of the Bible were literally true when that can be shown not to be the case. That is treating it as if it were fanfiction. It does not matter if he really believes it any more than if a person really believes in Spiderman.

Something you as usual have never proven. Always making false claims and accusations while never being able to prove what you say is true. Looks like another popcorn day.

 

[samtonga43]

When someone is running away the only way to show it is to keep asking the same questions again and again. One cannot quote posts that do not exist.

No? I didn't realize this!!
But seriously, did you not 'explain' to me that there are reasons that some questions are not answered; reasons other than "Look, he's running away"!
I'm sure you did say this recently. I'll have a look and get back to you.

Yes, because he has no sound basis for it. He has discussed it a bit but he refuses to touch why it fails. He bases his claims on parts of the Bible that never happened. And upon claims that he cannot support. For example when he claims that "Moses wrote the ten commandments (please note that is paraphrase, not a direct quote) he would need to prove that Moses did that and the Bible is not good enough for that. When one goes out of the Bible it appears that Moses was legendary at best and likely did not exist at all. This is why excessive exegesis fails. One has to rely on events that never happened.

Please try to understand the following, SZ. He believes they DID happen. You don't. According to you he has no sound basis for what he believes. According to him he does a sound basis. You believe his exegesis fails. You do not know.
There is no such entity as excessive exegesis or excessive eisegesis. It is either exegesis or eisegesis. You really ought to know this.
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You stated that parts of the Bible never happened. This is a positive claim, so it is up to you to prove it. Can you do this?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Something you as usual have never proven. Always making false claims and accusations while never being able to prove what you say is true. Looks like another popcorn day.

What are you talking about, that was an argument based upon logic. I know "Logic? What's that?"

Meanwhile you refuse to discuss why it is a bad idea to base one's claims upon fictitious events.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No? I didn't realize this!!
But seriously, did you not 'explain' to me that there are reasons that some questions are not answered; reasons other than "Look, he's running away"!
I'm sure you did say this recently. I'll have a look and get back to you.

Please try to understand the following, SZ. He believes they DID happen. You don't. According to you he has no sound basis for what he believes. According to him he does a sound basis. You believe his exegesis fails. You do not know.
There is no such entity as excessive exegesis or excessive eisegesis. It is either exegesis or eisegesis. You really ought to know this.
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You stated that parts of the Bible never happened. This is a positive claim, so it is up to you to prove it. Can you do this?

Sorry rudeness fail. Why would I post an answer to a post that starts off in such a fashion? Ask again politely and you will get answers.