stevecanuck
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OK, first of all, you sent me to read verses 38-72, now you're quoting verse 29.
You missed some of post 15. Here's how I broke surah 9 down for you so you would understand the chronology:
Surah 9 is not internally compiled in chronological order. According to Islamic scholar and author, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi, this surah contains three sections. The first verses chronologically (38-72) deal with Mohamed's preparations for the expedition to Tabuk, where he expected to battle Byzantine forces. The second section (73-129) was revealed after his return, with the third (1-37) coming at the time of the second Hajj.
At this point, I'll read whatever verses in whatever order you choose. Just tell me how. I'm looking for Qur'an quotes to support the idea of Islamic empire building. Directives to expand militarily. I see verse 29, I see your chosen translation. It's a little difficult for me to attribute this to support empire building.
It's telling Muslims to fight until "those who believe not in Allah" surrender. That to me (and obviously to Mohamed) sounds like empire building.
But maybe you're right. If so, you have one verse.
No, there are more. I just chose the one that was the most obvious. I still think it is. However, the entire 6,236-verse evolution of the Qur'an has to be taken in to see the transition. It's no small task.
Second, what you're providing is evidence of values that, as you say, are ingrained into Islam. But that's not the topic of the OP. The topic was "... the Quran perscribes ...". If Muhammad lead the charge and conquered, that's sunnah not Quran.
No. It's Qur'an. Mohamed ordered and took part in several raids, and some of it appears in the Qur'an. That's not my opinion - it's accepted fact.
If your claim is, the sunnah of Muhammad brings an aggressive influence into Islam, I probably wouldn't be debating with you right now. Sunnah. Not Qur'an.
There are several references in the Qur'an to battles fought. I will compile some for you. It's something I've been meaning to do anyway.[/quote]