War: the Pope says that mankind is in danger; strive for peace

[Estro Felino]

Yes, I know what you believe in. I don't believe in that.

I respect what you believe in.
Just let me tell you I only trust my own eyes, (the evidence) and I don't tend to trust the élites.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I respect what you believe in.
Just let me tell you I only trust my own eyes, (the evidence) and I don't tend to trust the élites.

Because you haven't seen it. You have read about it and seen pictures. Just as me. So in effect we believe in different narratives. That is as neutral as I can put it.

 

[vulcanlogician]

That is not what fitness is really about in the end. It is a part of it, but the common factor is energy and material to continue the reproduction of the genome.
You and I are in that nothing but a part of series of reproduction of genome with variations/mutations.

Nothing but?

 

[Estro Felino]

Because you haven't seen it. You have read about it and seen pictures. Just as me. So in effect we believe in different narratives. That is as neutral as I can put it.

Within the walls of an international penal courtroom, narratives are as viable as the wind.
Only the evidence matters.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Nothing but?

In the biology sense we are nothing but the result of the reproduction of the fittest genome and a wessel for the reproduction.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Within the walls of an international penal courtroom, narratives are as viable as the wind.
Only the evidence matters.

Please give a link to that.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

How Poroshenko loved Donbas

An actual link to an international court please, Not youtube.

 

[Estro Felino]

An actual link to an international court please, Not youtube.

I know that there are lawyers from all over Europe who are very serious and professional and work for the truth.

 

[sun rise]

There is diplomacy, there are hundreds of lawyers who have studied international law, diplomacy and all the juridical instruments suitable to make the contending parties negotiate. Or the belligerent parties.

That is the preferred path. But when one side is committed to darkness and will use force when others don't submit to their bullying and threats, then war becomes inevitable. Dark forces must be defeated.

 

[vulcanlogician]

In the biology sense we are nothing but the result of the reproduction of the fittest genome and a wessel for the reproduction.

Agreed.

In an explanatory sense, if someone asked "Why do I exist?"... I would agree with your answer.

But if someone asks "Who or what am I?" Your answer is fairly incomplete.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I know that there are lawyers from all over Europe who are very serious and professional and work for the truth.

No, actual courtroom evidence. Just provide the link. Not somebody saying something. That is not how it works.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Agreed.

In an explanatory sense, if someone asked "Why do I exist?"... I would agree with your answer.

But if someone asks "Who or what am I?" Your answer is fairly incomplete.

Correct, in a limited sense. In the end the "I" is the effect of the process in biological terms. Unless you believe that the "I" is more.

 

[Estro Felino]

That is the preferred path. But when one side is committed to darkness and will use force when others don't submit to their bullying and threats, then war becomes inevitable. Dark forces must be defeated.

If there are countries who want to join the war, good for them.
As long as they don't drag other countries who have decided to stay out of it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If there are countries who want to join the war, good for them.
As long as they don't drag other countries who have decided to stay out of it.

Well, Italy is in the Nato. Should a Nato country be attacked, then you are bounded by the treaty.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, Italy is in the Nato. Should a Nato country be attacked, then you are bounded by the treaty.

Ukraine is not in the NATO (fortunately).

 

[vulcanlogician]

Correct, in a limited sense. In the end the "I" is the effect of the process in biological terms. Unless you believe that the "I" is more.

I don't want to make any outrageous claims about what "I" is. I'm pretty sure you see that.

It's just that you could reduce anything to its causal history and call it a day. But you lose something.

A biologist could explain poetry in terms of natural selection. "It serves social purposes" etc. And if someone asked for a natural account of poetry, I think a biologist could produce an accurate explanation: "It is a human behavior that created social bonds and allowed certain ideas to be transmitted through societies..." That's a pretty accurate definition of poetry in one sense.

But if some one simply asks: "What is poetry?" And your answer is, "a human behavior that created social bonds and allowed certain ideas to be transmitted through societies" that answer is incomplete.... even though it is in no way inaccurate.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I see. And if we refuse, will the NATO guys cross the Alps with the tanks to force us?

No, you wouldn't do what you have signed up to. What would happen then I don't know. But ultimately you could be thrown out of Nato and properly the EU. That could be it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't want to make any outrageous claims about what "I" is. I'm pretty sure you see that.

It's just that you could reduce anything to its causal history and call it a day. But you lose something.

A biologist could explain poetry in terms of natural selection. "It serves social purposes" etc. And if someone asked for a natural account of poetry, I think a biologist could produce an accurate explanation: "It is a human behavior that created social bonds and allowed certain ideas to be transmitted through societies..." That's a pretty accurate definition of poetry in one sense.

But if some one simply asks: "What is poetry?" And your answer is, "a human behavior that created social bonds and allowed certain ideas to be transmitted through societies" that answer is incomplete.... even though it is in no way inaccurate.

Come clean and explain what is actually missing with specific examples.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, you wouldn't do what you have signed up to. What would happen then I don't know. But ultimately you could be thrown out of Nato and properly the EU. That could be it.

That would be absolutely understandable. But we cannot violate the article 11 of our Constitution. That clearly states that international disputes can be solved exclusively with peace and diplomacy and not with war.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That would be absolutely understandable. But we cannot violate the article 11 of our Constitution. That clearly states that international disputes can be solves exclusively with peace and diplomacy and not with war.

Okay, then just the correct thing and leave Nato. If that is the case, you can't be a part of Nato. You are commiting a kind of freud.