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Live Kabbalah--Brit Mila--Circumsion.

John D. Brey

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The image above is from the Live Kabbalah website on Brit Mila --Circumcision (here). The page gives a fairly comprehensive thumbnail sketch of one of the most important theological concepts in existence: ritual circumcision. And though over the years the topic has been worked into the ground around here, so to say, Live Kabbalah's thumbnail sketch provides a schematic to condense much that's been said in this forum over the last few years into a "strong exegetical" (S. Handelman) sketch of ritual circumcision.



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John D. Brey

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The image above is from the Live Kabbalah website on Brit Mila --Circumcision (here). The page gives a fairly comprehensive thumbnail sketch of one of the most important theological concepts in existence: ritual circumcision. And though over the years the topic has been worked into the ground around here, so to say, Live Kabbalah's thumbnail sketch provides a schematic to condense much that's been said in this forum over the last few years into a "strong exegetical" (S. Handelman) sketch of ritual circumcision.

The scare quotes around "strong exegetical" that reference Professor Susan Handelman are important to what follows since the quasi-comprehensive thumbnail sketch found at Live Kabbalah presents brit mila (hereafter "brit milah") in a manner that's considered something like a completed presentation of brit milah from a Jewish perspective. This Jewish perspective uses what Professor Handelman calls "weak exegesis" ----which isn't intended as pejorative in her usage but merely describes the Jewish proclivity not to connect the dots on symbols and rituals as though they all point to a singular signifier or root that's the thing all the other signs and rituals are pointing to as the nucleus of their symbolic import.

In Jewish thought, each of the elements described at Live Kabbalah are to some degree complete in and of themselves. Though they might combine conceptually here and there, it's not "Jewish" to try to make them all point to a singular nucleus (a transcendental signifier they all serve and which, the transcendental signifier, can show its undeniable paternal relationship to every one of them).

This preface is necessary since what follows is undeniably an attempt to show that every element noted on the page at Live Kabbalah is part and parcel of a unified picture that points to a nucleus that's the soul, the spirit, and the power to complete the holistic picture made up of all the discrete elements of the ritual.



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John D. Brey

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The scare quotes around "strong exegetical" that reference Professor Susan Handelman are important to what follows since the quasi-comprehensive thumbnail sketch found at Live Kabbalah presents brit mila (hereafter "brit milah") in a manner that's considered something like a completed presentation of brit milah from a Jewish perspective. This Jewish perspective uses what Professor Handelman calls "weak exegesis" ----which isn't intended as pejorative in her usage but merely describes the Jewish proclivity not to connect the dots on symbols and rituals as though they all point to a singular signifier or root that's the thing all the other signs and rituals are pointing to as the nucleus of their symbolic import.

In Jewish thought, each of the elements described at Live Kabbalah are to some degree complete in and of themselves. Though they might combine conceptually here and there, it's not "Jewish" to try to make them all point to a singular nucleus (a transcendental signifier they all serve and which, the transcendental signifier, can show its undeniable paternal relationship to every one of them).

This preface is necessary since what follows is undeniably an attempt to show that every element noted on the page at Live Kabbalah is part and parcel of a unified picture that points to a nucleus that's the soul, the spirit, and the power to complete the holistic picture made up of all the discrete elements of the ritual.

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The first paragraph in the presentation (associated with the image of the brit milah cushion) says:

The Brit Mila ceremony usually takes place on the eighth day after a baby boy is born, and the baby’s foreskin is removed during this ceremony. This ceremony symbolizes that the baby belongs to the Biblical covenant, as it says in Genesis 17: “He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must be circumcised; and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant”.​

The Hebrew word "covenant" is ברית. In Genesis chapter 17, circumcision is said to represent the fact that God's "covenant" will be in Jewish flesh. So what's God's "covenant"? Well the first word in the Torah is בראשית. It's the word "covenant" with the second letter spelled out ראש (the Hebrew letter reish --ר-- represents the "rosh" ראש---the "first" or "firstborn"). If you remove the reish ---ר-- from the word "covenant" ברית you end up with the word for "house" בית (which is the word for "covenant" without the letter reish ר in the middle).

That's a lot of verbiage to digest, but in layman's terms, it says that Jewish flesh is the home בית of God's firstborn ר. "My covenant will be my firstborn in your flesh" ב–ר–ית. "Your flesh will be the home בית of my firstborn ר." (The word on either side of the letter reish ---i.e, "firstborn"--- is the word "house" בית. Add the "firstborn" ---the reish ר--- to "house" בית , and you have the word for God's covenant ברית.

House בית.
Firstborn ר.
Covenant ברית.



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John D. Brey

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The first paragraph in the presentation (associated with the image of the brit milah cushion) says:

The Brit Mila ceremony usually takes place on the eighth day after a baby boy is born, and the baby’s foreskin is removed during this ceremony. This ceremony symbolizes that the baby belongs to the Biblical covenant, as it says in Genesis 17: “He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must be circumcised; and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant”.​

The Hebrew word "covenant" is ברית. In Genesis chapter 17, circumcision is said to represent the fact that God's "covenant" will be in Jewish flesh. So what's God's "covenant"? Well the first word in the Torah is בראשית. It's the word "covenant" with the second letter spelled out ראש (the Hebrew letter reish --ר-- represents the "rosh" ראש---the "first" or "firstborn"). If you remove the reish ---ר-- from the word "covenant" ברית you end up with the word for "house" בית (which is the word for "covenant" without the letter reish ר in the middle).

That's a lot of verbiage to digest, but in layman's terms, it says that Jewish flesh is the home בית of God's firstborn ר. "My covenant will be my firstborn in your flesh" ב–ר–ית. "Your flesh will be the home בית of my firstborn ר." (The word on either side of the letter reish ---i.e, "firstborn"--- is the word "house" בית. Add the "firstborn" ---the reish ר--- to "house" בית , and you have the word for God's covenant ברית.

House בית.
Firstborn ר.
Covenant ברית.

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The image on the cushion where the eight day old Jewish male will sit is the image of birkat kohanim (the priestly blessing). As noted in the thread on birkat kohanim, the priest situates his hands (or fingers) in the shape of a vulva such that the "blessing" that comes through the fingers of the priest represents the very Presence of God ("My firstborn will be in, and come out of, your flesh"):

The Jewish tradition states the Divine Presence would shine through the fingers of the priests as they blessed the people, and no one was allowed to look at this out of respect for God.

Wikipedia on birkat kohanim.​

Situating the fingers of the priest in a manner that they form the vulva through which the firstborn of God ר will come could only be more viscerally significant than they already are if we realize that the Jewish male being placed right on the fingers of the priest (forming the symbol of the blessing where the Presence of God will become present) is to have his "foreskin" removed while seated on the hands of the priest that form the priestly blessing, the birkat kohanim.



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John D. Brey

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Situating the fingers of the priest in a manner that they form the vulva through which the firstborn of God ר will come could only be more viscerally significant than they already are if we realize that the Jewish male being placed right on the fingers of the priest (forming the symbol of the blessing where the Presence of God will become present) is to have his "foreskin" removed while seated on the hands of the priest that form the priestly blessing, the birkat kohanim.

מילה [circumcision] is not a completion of, or supplement to, physical birth . . . It marks the second, higher "birthday," man's entry into the Divine level of free and moral action. Physical birth belongs to the night . . . but מילה [circumcision], birth as a Jew, belongs to the daytime.

The Hirsch Chumash at Gen. 17:23.​

This second, higher birthday, takes place with the child born the first time (eight days earlier) sitting on the hands of the priest as they form the priestly blessing, the birkat kohanim; the most significant element of the ritual being the removal of the "foreskin."

There's no word for "foreskin" in the Hebrew text. The idea of "foreskin" is associated once again with Masoretic malfeasance. In the Hebrew text, the "orlah" ערלה represents not some small piece of the male organ, but "maleness" altogether. The ritual circumcision is not the completion of what it represents, ala "weak exegesis" (Handelman) but only a symbolic representation of an eschatological affatus.

When the eight day old Jewish male is seated on the cushion emblazoned with the hands of the priest forming the birkat kohanim he's being, ala Rabbi Hirsch, symbolically reborn for his Jewish mission: he's being reborn as a new spiritual species, a Jew.

When we realize the priest's hands are forming a vulva, and the male flesh of the newborn Jew is being bled out of, or off of, him, while seated on this vulva, it might hit us that God's "covenant" is that his firstborn will be in Jewish flesh, and come out of Jewish flesh, such that when a Jewish firstborn comes out of Jewish flesh that's been literally bled of the normally prerequisite male flesh (his father was circumcised), i.e., requiring a virgin conception and birth, we're justified in believing this firstborn Jewish child to be the greatest blessing come from God: his Presence, covenant, his firstborn, come in, and out of, Jewish flesh, such that the symbol of his arrival is that he comes out of a vulva without the prerequisite male flesh that's bled from his father as well as he himself as he's being re-conceived, and reborn, on the eighth day, in order to enter into the new spiritual species.

The concept of the "foreskin" is a theological placebo. A forgery. It's fake medicine designed to alleviate discomfort triggered by cognitive dissonance created by one of the thorniest exegetical problems in scripture. The problem's genesis is found in Genesis 17:10-11 where exegeted properly the covenant-cut performed at the ritual-circumcision (verse 11) has nothing to do with the Abrahamic-covenant (verse 10) beyond acting as a "sign" signifying the true nature of the covenant. Its sole purpose (beyond requiring obedience to the commandment to produce it) is nothing more than to signify the true nature of the covenant already mentioned in verse 10 of Genesis 17.

Is circumcision a covenant, as in v. 10, or a "sign" of the covenant, as in v. 11?

Abarbanel.
Foreskin: A Forgery for the Ages.



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dybmh

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The idea of "foreskin" is associated once again with Masoretic malfeasance. In the Hebrew text, the "orlah" ערלה represents not some small piece of the male organ, but "maleness" altogether.
This needs support to avoid looking like simply an insult to those with a different point of view.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Live Kabbalah--Brit Mila--Circumsion.

Did Yeshua say anything in this connection, please?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?
Isn't it for one to circumvent Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah to speak about religion and not quote from him, please? Right?

Regards
 

John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
This needs support to avoid looking like simply an insult to those with a different point of view.

When we study the great Jewish sages as often as we should we start to notice that when the sages finds ironies or paradoxes in the text that they know hide a great secret their language changes a bit, and they sometime soliloquize trying to solve the problem for themselves while discussing the larger narrative for their audience. Case in point, on the point in our crosshairs, is Nachmanides' exegesis concerning the nature of the "foreskin." He notes that the text doesn't say to cut your ערלה "orlah," in which case you wouldn't know where to direct the knife since the scripture equates the "orlah" ערלה with the heart, the ears, and even the lips.

. . . nor does it say, "the foreskin of your flesh," just as it says the foreskin of your heart, and the foreskin of your lips.

Nachmanides.​

With the statement above Nachmanides not only shows that he knows something of the problem with the literal Hebrew text, but he unwittingly backs himself, and his Jewish tradition, into a corner.

But instead it says, And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin . . . The word "flesh" in the expression, uncircumcised in flesh, is a euphemism for the genital organ, just as in the verses great of flesh, and an issue of his flesh.

Ibid.​

Nachmanides implies that if the Hebrew text said to "circumcise the foreskin ערלה of your flesh" you wouldn't know where to direct the knife since part of your "flesh" is your ears, heart, and lips, all of which are said to be circumcised in one place or another. How will you know what the "flesh" noted in Genesis chapter 17 is if it doesn't clarify but merely leave's "flesh" undefined?

In the quotation above, trying to answer the question about which "flesh" is being implied in Genesis 17, Nachmanides makes a serious gaff by trying to solve a serious exegetical question/problem: he notes that the text says And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, implying that the word "flesh" in the statement means "genital organ" when the question is how we know "flesh" means "genital organ"? He implies that since in Genesis 17, it doesn't say the "foreskin of your flesh" but rather "the flesh of your foreskin" (it's reversed from when speaking of other foreskins) it's telling us it's speaking of the genital organ. But why would "flesh of the foreskin" tell us something different than "foreskin of the flesh"?

His solution for the reversed word order only works if the word “flesh” refers to the genital-organ since otherwise we still don’t know what particular “flesh” is being referenced by the word “orlah”? According to him that's how we're made aware of what orlah ערלה is being associated with in the statement. But if the word "flesh" בשר refers to the genital-organ (as it must), then the passage reads, "circumcise the genital organ of your orlah ערלה." And this is particularly so since the words for “flesh” and “orlah” are in a construct relationship meaning the “flesh” of the “orlah.”

Foreskin: A Forgery for the Ages.

Nachmanides messes up the Hebrew text even worse though in the process he lets us know what the text is actually saying since "flesh" and "orlah" are in a construct relationship in the Hebrew: the text has to read "circumcise the flesh of your foreskin" rather than the "foreskin of your flesh." If the text said to "circumcise the foreskin of your flesh" ---and "flesh" means "genital organ," then everything is hunky-dory. But it doesn't say that. It reverses the order of when it says "circumcise your lips, or heart." It says "circumcise the genital organ of your foreskin" letting us know that the traditional interpretation of "ערלה" (translated "foreskin") is literally wrong.

But if "foreskin" isn't "foreskin" (if ערלה isn't "foreskin") then what the heck is it?

In the Talmud, as in most other Jewish scripture we're told that the "flesh" that reveals gender is the male genital organ (not the female genital organ). In a sense, the female genital organ is the natural, default flesh of mankind. It's the existence of the "male flesh" (not just the genital organ of the male flesh) that signifies that "male flesh" is the true problem come from the fall of mankind that begins in Genesis 2:21. Genesis 2:21 is where we get the secondary creation of the first male flesh from the default female flesh of ha-adam (ha-adam being the first transgendered human being: the default female form being transformed, the lips sutured shut סגר, to form the first bastardized flesh).

By saying to "circumcise the genital organ of the ערלה" the text is saying to remove a piece, or symbolically the entirety, of the the very flesh that never should have existed, male flesh. "Orlah" ערלה means "male flesh." It's the male flesh, all of it, that's a great lie, since the phallus is not original or genuine but merely a trans-gendering of the vulva and vagina (the phallus is a trans-gendered vagina and not an original thought from God). All flesh remains in the domain of God's original creation so long as testosterone doesn't flood the default flesh to create the toxic-deformity/masculinity begun in Genesis 2:21.

The acceptance of the Phallus is immoral. It has always been thought of as hateful; it has been the image of Satan, and Dante made it the central pillar of hell.

Otto Weininger, Sex and Character.​

In light of the true exegesis of Genesis chapter 17, it's not the phallus that's immoral, but the flesh it merely signifies and represents ---male flesh. Genesis 17 says to circumcise, cut, bleed, scar, reject, with extreme prejudice, the existence of not a particular organ but rather what that organ represents, and posits into God's original creation, carnal, fleshly, masculinity. By implying that by removing a sliver of the male genital organ all is right as rain Jewish tradition buries the true significance of their most seminal ritual as though having a sliver of flesh covering one's male genital organ is somehow the cause of all the ills in the world, and worse, that once that tiny piece of flesh is removed, the Jew is now all the better for it. Jewish tradition removes the implicit eschatological logic of the ritual (the conception and birth of God's firstborn apart from the tragedy and toxicity of male flesh) and practices it as though the ritual is the reality: if you don't have a foreskin covering your male genital organ you've been saved, redeemed, and readied for your Jewish mission.

מילה [milah] does not generally mean: to cut, to circumcise; only in connection with ברית מילה [brit milah] does it occur in this sense. מול [mul] means "opposite," as in . . . (Bemidbar 22:5) . . . (Tehillim 118:10): "In God's Name, I will oppose them." As a verb, then מול [mul] means: to oppose, to the limit. To be sure, מול [mul] in connection with ערלה [orlah] means "to cut off.". . . The cutting, however, is merely a means, whereas the end and intention is to oppose, to the limit, the ערלה [orlah], or more precisely: to oppose the הערלה בשר, . ..

Rabbi Samson Hirsch.​

Proof of how deep the rabbit hole of Jewish tradition has dug itself can be seen by the last Hebrew phase in Rabbi Hirsch's statement ---הערלה בשר [the orlah of the flesh]. The great Jewish exegete Rabbi Hirsch reverses "the flesh of the orlah" הבשר ערלה (found in the biblical Hebrew of the text), making the literal text's "flesh of the orlah" read "the orlah of the flesh" as Jewish tradition needs the sacred text to read if removing that flesh is the soul or seminal meaning of the covenant. Since in kabbalistic tradition (which Rabbi Hirsch acknowledges) the sacred text of the Torah is God's very Name, misrepresenting the literal Hebrew text of God's Name, changing it around, reversing it, is, and comes under the admonition not to, take the Name of the Lord in vain. Unwittingly, the great Rabbi Hirsch takes the Name of God in vain to protect Jewish tradition from any name, even God's, that has an axe to grind with some of the more questionable and unfounded foundations of Jewish tradition.



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John D. Brey

Well-Known Member
Live Kabbalah--Brit Mila--Circumsion.

Did Yeshua say anything in this connection, please?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?
Isn't it for one to circumvent Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah to speak about religion and not quote from him, please? Right?

Regards

How do I quote him when he didn't write anything to quote, and his verbal communication isn't, with apologies to Dylan, blowin in the wind?



John
 
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