Homosexuality and religious.

[KWED]

I can’t see Baha'is in positions of political power any time soon. Currently, Baha'is avoid political allegiances and partisan politics. They tend not to become members of political parties or run for office.

That seems somewhat at odds with Bahaullah's claim of a coming Bahai world government.

 

[KWED]

Romantic love based on sex isn't love.

Of course it is.
Romantic love based on any shared quality or interest is still love.
What do you think that love has to be based on?

Many people today confuse sexual attraction with love.

"Love" isn't a clearly defined thing that can be measured and tested. It is entirely subjective and personal.
It would seem that you are trying to impose your own ideas about love on everyone else.
Good luck with that!

 

[KWED]

You might going to get heart attack now, but actually islam and Baha'i teachings are what took away the rest of my homophobia....i was a very homophobic when I come to this forum in 2018, yes I almost hated absolutely everything in this world.

But both islam/sufism and Baha'i has gotten me to be free of any negativity. I still struggle with certain aspects of debate, but the teaching guiding me.

Your own personal struggles are irrelevant to the issue - being that Bahia teachings contain homophobia.

But do tell us, how did the homophobia in Islam and Bahaism cure your own homophobia?

 

[KWED]

No, I just didn't know it was considered adultery.

I thought you have "thoroughly researched" Bahaism for years. Yet non-bahais keep educating you about Bahai stuff.

 

[KWED]

So on another thread I have been arguing with people regards racing horses. They are adamant they aren't out to ban riding and even owning a horse, but that is the trend. In other words - often these activists are just liars.

And remember, the homosexual activists aren't out to decriminalize homosexuality - they want everyone to be a homosexual, and to fight the heterosexual.
Obviously society isn't going to survive long if that was the case - we either vanish as a species or we invite migrants in, often the very people we profess to hate (the values of Muslims.) So it's all madness, dressed in righteous language.

Are you ok?

 

[ppp]

You might going to get heart attack now, but actually islam and Baha'i teachings are what took away the rest of my homophobia..

According to whom? Go to a gay bar that, explain your Baha'i position on homosexuality, and see if they agree with your self-diagnosis.

 

[Spirit of Light]

According to whom? Go to a gay bar that, explain your Baha'i position on homosexuality, and see if they agree with your self-diagnosis.

I said, Islam and Baha'i has helped me. I did not mention other people.
Baha'i faith saved my life.

 

[KWED]

Google "knowledge is a subset of beliefs". There are web pages on it.

Google "The Queen is a lizard alien". There are web pages on it.

 

[We Never Know]

Google "The Queen is a lizard alien". There are web pages on it.

Just like there are pages on superman.

If one doesn't understand something, at least take time to google it, read what the pages are talking about and make your own conclusions. Then maybe follow up, ask questions, etc.

 

[KWED]

Just like there are pages on superman.

If one doesn't understand something, at least take time to google it, read what the pages are talking about and make your own conclusions. Then maybe follow up, ask questions, etc.

Just pointing out that saying "It's on the web" isn't really a very good response to someone asking you to clarify a claim you've made.

 

[We Never Know]

Just pointing out that saying "It's on the web" isn't really a very good response to someone asking you to clarify a claim you've made.

In many cases if someone says something and one doesn't understand it, it never hurts to research it. That way they can ask more than "but why".

 

[KWED]

In many cases if someone says something and one doesn't understand it, it never hurts to research it. That way they can ask more than "but why".

I don't understand. Explain.

 

[ppp]

I said, Islam and Baha'i has helped me. I did not mention other people.
Baha'i faith saved my life.

You said that Islam and Baha'i took away your homophobia. Your homophobia is about other people.

 

[Spirit of Light]

You said that Islam and Baha'i took away your homophobia. Your homophobia is about other people.

It took it away yes, meaning in the past I was what could be seen as homophobic, the teaching both in Islam and Baha'i has removed those thoughts within me.

It means I am no longer homophobic.

Difficult to understand?

 

[KWED]

It took it away yes, meaning in the past I was what could be seen as homophobic, the teaching both in Islam and Baha'i has removed those thoughts within me.

How did the passages in Islamic and Bahai texts that are intolerant towards homosexuality "cure your homophobia"? Or were you not aware of them?

It means I am no longer homophobic.

But you have said that you agree with explicitly homophobic statements, so how do you claim that you are not homophobic?

 

[CG Didymus]

Because of Baha’u’llah. He is the Promised One of all religions. It’s a beautiful religion that some oppose only because of ignorance,

But to those of us that question the religion, it is not out of ignorance. We have issues with some of the claims and teachings of the Baha'i Faith. Like with this issue. God had a chance to update his view on homosexuality, but no. He still hates it. God thinks it is an abomination.

At least with the Baha'i Faith they are taught to be loving and tolerant of the people. But ideally, God wants them to change and seek help to get over their condition. And this is "God's" word for the next 1000 years. What happens to those that don't get "healed" of their condition? Can they openly live a gay lifestyle? Or is it back to the closet?

 

[CG Didymus]

Are you advocating sham marriages between friends?
It sure sounds like it.
I wouldn't marry someone just cause we were friends.

In my opinion.

But if they want to be true to the Baha'i teachings, they could never go outside of that marriage to enjoy the type of sex they'd prefer to engage in. But really, why bother? Why marry a friend of the opposite sex just to make God happy? Because God will not be happy until that person stops desiring people of the same sex.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you chose to reject or ignore what god said through Bahaullah, would you still be a Bahai?

Yes I would because the requirement for being a Baha'i is that we believe that Baha'u'llah was a Manifestation of God, not that I always agree with or perfectly follow all the teachings and Laws. More often than not I forget to say my daily obligatory prayer.

 

[Sheldon]

Really?

Murder and rape are both bad.

Is that an asinine comparison?

In this context it is asinine, and it is shifting the goal posts, but then that is what I have come to expect from most religious apologetics, the kind of idiotic moral bankruptcy that can casually compare raping a child, or murder to being gay.

 

[Trailblazer]

Do you agree or disagree that homosexuality is a shameful sexual aberration, an immoral evil that is against nature that should be purged from the world?
Simple question.

If you agree, then you are holding negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality. It's pretty straightforward.

I agree with some of that but not all of that.
I believe that homosexuality is a sexual aberration that is against nature. I believe it is immoral but not evil. Evil is when you rape or murder someone.

Thus I hold some negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality.