Nothing lasts forever in this life

[YoursTrue]

It was not a Christian type of heaven because if it was a Christian type there would not be all those different rooms for all the different religious believers. There would be only one room, the room that has Christians in it.

Who knows? The Hindus and Buddhist might be in their rooms waiting for God to send them back to Earth.

That's true. In the Baha'i afterlife everyone continues to progress, there is no retrogression.

lol, says--?? And is that everyone and every animal who ever lived?

 

[YoursTrue]

And maybe not aware of, or he didn't care, about Hinduism and Buddhism. Yet, he was supposed to be the return of Krishna, as Kalki, and Buddha, as the Maitreya. You'd think he might have mentioned that. But, as far as I know, I don't think he did.

Oh wait, Bahaullah believed he was the return of Krishna and Buddha?

 

[YoursTrue]

But why would a Baha'i joke use a Christian type of heaven? Why would Hindus and Buddhists be in some mansion in a Christian heaven? Those souls that believe in reincarnation would be waiting to be sent back to Earth and enter a different body.

Then the Baha'i afterlife has people that developed their spiritual side more than others would be closer to God. But I think they have everyone continuing to progress. Which, I suppose, even the worst of us?

Didn't the Pope say that you don't have to be Catholic in order to be saved? As far as the worst of us goes, when I look at the difference of me before and after I studied the Bible, it's like almost 2 different people. But yes, I believe God led me to the truth.

 

[Trailblazer]

lol, says--?? And is that everyone and every animal who ever lived?

I do not know about the animals, only the humans. It is every human who ever lived.

 

[CG Didymus]

Oh? That's interesting. If a question be found contrary to reason -- faith and belief in it are impossible. So then -- while I and others believe in God and have found, upon examination, Darwinian outline of evolution of life to be contrary to reason, for others belief in God is contrary to reason, and for others belief in evolution by natural selection is contrary to reason based on scientific offerings and discovery, and for still others, the two beliefs, (God and evolution) contrary or not, can be meshed. Pick and choose I suppose.

Yeah, pick and choose. I'm sure you know that God and Jesus are real and have things that prove it to you. Just like Baha'is know that God and Baha'u'llah are real and have things that prove it to them. But what you believe as a Christian and what they believe as Baha'is are very, very different. Then add in some Atheists and they'll say both of you are believing in a God that can't be proven to exist. Yup, pick and choose.

But... since Baha'is do believe in God, in spite of no proof, then what do they mean by superstitious beliefs? Since they don't believe in Satan, in the physical resurrection of Jesus and that Jesus is God, then I'd imagine those things would be superstitious beliefs to them.

 

[CG Didymus]

Didn't the Pope say that you don't have to be Catholic in order to be saved? As far as the worst of us goes, when I look at the difference of me before and after I studied the Bible, it's like almost 2 different people. But yes, I believe God led me to the truth.

And that's interesting. The thing that I wonder about is that people can belong to almost any religion, and if they are following the spiritual and moral teachings of that religion, they can become very good and spiritual people. Since the beliefs and doctrines of each religion can be so different, is it that a religion gets people to believe in something greater than themselves and gets them to live better and in a more spiritual way.

So, a good Catholic or a good JW or a good Buddhist, spiritually speaking, have all changed from being very "worldly" to be more spiritual. The doctrines and beliefs aren't important. As long as it gets people to believe in them and gets them to live by the spiritual things that the religion teaches. The trouble is when people believe in those doctrines and beliefs so much that they don't believe that someone in a different religion can be a good, spiritual person... and have the wrong beliefs.

And that's kind of what Baha'is are asking of people... to see the truth in all religions. Yet even they are a religion with beliefs, doctrines and rules that are different from most of the other religions. So, some of them can get too stuck on their beliefs as being true and the only way as much as any Christian. Like liberal believers in one religion can get along with a liberal believer in another religion, because neither of them focuses on the doctrines and dogmas as much trying to live by the Golden Rule and try to treat everybody with love and kindness.

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not know about the animals, only the humans. It is every human who ever lived.

Says bahuallah?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Here... read this...

For Baha’is, both science and religion together constitute one great truth. In clear and uncompromising terms, the Baha’i writings exalt the position of scientific endeavor and discovery:

God has endowed man with intelligence and reason whereby he is required to determine the verity of questions and propositions. If religious beliefs and opinions are found contrary to the standards of science they are mere superstitions and imaginations; for the antithesis of knowledge is ignorance, and the child of ignorance is superstition. Unquestionably there must be agreement between true religion and science. If a question be found contrary to reason, faith and belief in it are impossible… – Abdu’l-Baha, Baha’i World Faith, p. 239.​

Thank you for sharing this important verse. I am happy you share Baha'i teaching so often.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yeah, pick and choose. I'm sure you know that God and Jesus are real and have things that prove it to you. Just like Baha'is know that God and Baha'u'llah are real and have things that prove it to them. But what you believe as a Christian and what they believe as Baha'is are very, very different. Then add in some Atheists and they'll say both of you are believing in a God that can't be proven to exist. Yup, pick and choose.

But... since Baha'is do believe in God, in spite of no proof, then what do they mean by superstitious beliefs? Since they don't believe in Satan, in the physical resurrection of Jesus and that Jesus is God, then I'd imagine those things would be superstitious beliefs to them.

I have no idea.

 

[Trailblazer]

Says bahuallah?

No, Baha'u'llah did not say anything about animals in heaven.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Yeah, pick and choose. I'm sure you know that God and Jesus are real and have things that prove it to you. Just like Baha'is know that God and Baha'u'llah are real and have things that prove it to them. But what you believe as a Christian and what they believe as Baha'is are very, very different. Then add in some Atheists and they'll say both of you are believing in a God that can't be proven to exist. Yup, pick and choose.

But... since Baha'is do believe in God, in spite of no proof, then what do they mean by superstitious beliefs? Since they don't believe in Satan, in the physical resurrection of Jesus and that Jesus is God, then I'd imagine those things would be superstitious beliefs to them.

Honestly it sounds like Baha’i faith truly bothers you on a daily basis.
Spending so much time, studying belief you don't believe, only to spread your view of it?

How can you be sure your understanding is the right one?

 

[YoursTrue]

And that's interesting. The thing that I wonder about is that people can belong to almost any religion, and if they are following the spiritual and moral teachings of that religion, they can become very good and spiritual people. Since the beliefs and doctrines of each religion can be so different, is it that a religion gets people to believe in something greater than themselves and gets them to live better and in a more spiritual way.

So, a good Catholic or a good JW or a good Buddhist, spiritually speaking, have all changed from being very "worldly" to be more spiritual. The doctrines and beliefs aren't important. As long as it gets people to believe in them and gets them to live by the spiritual things that the religion teaches. The trouble is when people believe in those doctrines and beliefs so much that they don't believe that someone in a different religion can be a good, spiritual person... and have the wrong beliefs.

And that's kind of what Baha'is are asking of people... to see the truth in all religions. Yet even they are a religion with beliefs, doctrines and rules that are different from most of the other religions. So, some of them can get too stuck on their beliefs as being true and the only way as much as any Christian. Like liberal believers in one religion can get along with a liberal believer in another religion, because neither of them focuses on the doctrines and dogmas as much trying to live by the Golden Rule and try to treat everybody with love and kindness.

To an extent, right and wrong is implanted in each one of us. But it can be marauded, or distorted by customs and association. Thus to me what Jesus said is true. But I won't go any further than that now because as the saying goes, it's a long story. Actually found in the Bible and help from God to understand it. Take care.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, Baha'u'llah did not say anything about animals in heaven.

So according to Bahuallah souls do not migrate?

 

[Trailblazer]

So according to Bahuallah souls do not migrate?

If by migrate you mean reincarnation, souls returning to Earth and entering other bodies, no, Baha'u'llah did not teach that.

Every physical body has its own soul and when that body dies its soul goes to the spiritual world (heaven) and takes on a spiritual body.

 

[KWED]

No, I do not have to challenge you. But I challenge the way you treat other people's person faith and belief.

And why shouldn't I behave towards people's beliefs with scepticism if those beliefs seem unlikely or poorly argued?

Non of your question seem to be asked to learn and understand why people believe what they believe.

Your inability to understand my position does not mean that I don't have one.
You believe that a particular version of god exists, and that Bahaullah communicated with it.
I want to understand why you believe that.
If you keep telling me that it is because Bahaullha said so, I will keep pressing you to explain further, because your response is not rational.

It seems to be asked to belittle anything any person believe as long it can not be proven by physical evidence.

If you feel belittled because people challenge your irrational beliefs, that is not my problem.

But if we could prove it with any shadow of doubt that God exists. Then it would not be a belief. It would be science. And religion is not science based.

Why does god need to be believed rather than known? Why does he only want the irrational and the credulous to accept him? Remember that god created mankind only to worship him, so why does he deliberately make it more and more difficult?

 

[Spirit of Light]

And why shouldn't I behave towards people's beliefs with scepticism if those beliefs seem unlikely or poorly argued?

Your inability to understand my position does not mean that I don't have one.
You believe that a particular version of god exists, and that Bahaullah communicated with it.
I want to understand why you believe that.
If you keep telling me that it is because Bahaullha said so, I will keep pressing you to explain further, because your response is not rational.

If you feel belittled because people challenge your irrational beliefs, that is not my problem.

Why does god need to be believed rather than known? Why does he only want the irrational and the credulous to accept him? Remember that god created mankind only to worship him, so why does he deliberately make it more and more difficult?

My answer is not rational to You. My answers in religious discussion or debate are based on my belief. It means i believe the scriptures i read to be true. I ponder for months and years about the true meaning behind the teaching. And no i don't just read the text and say, ok now I got it, now I believe everything. No, it has to go along how my life is in daily life too.
I have to live according to my understanding of the teaching.

Am I doing it right every day? No of course not. I do a lot of mistakes and even probably sin a heck of a lot too.

To get accept from God is not easy, it shouldn't be. It is a daily struggle every day to find our own faults in life and correct our own way of speaking acting and thinking.
I believe the Baha'i teaching is the closest i have found to explain how I can change my own being to be accepted by God when I die.

Am I right in my belief? I hope so. But since it is a belief there is always a chance i am wrong.

 

[KWED]

Are you some kind of super-human? Do you never become angry?

No, I don't get angry with people asking me questions on the internet.

If I was haranguing them outside their place of worship, following them home and shouting through the letterbox, then perhaps they might justified in getting angry.
But they are coming onto an open, public, religious debate forum where one expects to have one's views criticised and challenged - so getting angry when it happens is somewhat bizarre.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No, I don't get angry with people asking me questions on the internet.

If I was haranguing them outside their place of worship, following them home and shouting through the letterbox, then perhaps they might justified in getting angry.
But they are coming onto an open, public, religious debate forum where one expects to have one's views criticised and challenged - so getting angry when it happens is somewhat bizarre.

You can do it your way but remember that there is only two areas in RF that actually is for debate and not discussion.

Religious debate and non religious debate forum section.

Other part of it is for discussion only

 

[KWED]

There is only One God .

That's just your opinion. There a many others who disagree.

So, what you meant to say was "do you believe in the version of god that I believe in?"

. the Creator .. the God that Abraham knew, that is evidenced by the Bible and Quran.

Those are just claims. There is no "evidence" to support them. There are parts of the Bible and Quran that are demonstrably wrong, so they aren't reliable sources.

 

[KWED]

I believe that God exists.
I believe that Baha'u'llah communicated with that God.
I am 100% certain about these beliefs.

They are merely "beliefs" when they exist only in your head.
Once you publicly state these beliefs with certainty (as you do), they become "claims".

Claim: to say that something is true although it has not been proved and other people may not believe it (OED)

You are making claims about god and Bahaullah. Deal with it.