Without God(s), what is the point?!

[Wildswanderer]

And kill your disobedient children. And witches. And homosexuals. And slavery is okay.

Things that Jesus never said.

 

[Wildswanderer]

LOL you didn't address "Falsehoods? You think sex is man made? The mysoginystic anti-choicers may want abortion to be murder, but it's not by definition. Look the word up. Any more than it could be called genocide by any half literate person. Again look the word up. The fact anti-choicers have to resort to lies and use false and inaccurate terms infers something about their arguments, something beyond mere duplicity I'd say.

A blastocyst isn't a person, that's axiomatic, but even if it were, it would be immoral to insist it could take away the rights of women to bodily autonomy, as has been amply demonstrated. Since all the anti-choicers are happy to kill (their own vernacular) kidney patients by not letting them use their bodies against their will, and exercise their right to live(again their own ridiculous vernacular).

All the rest is coloured bubbles."

Wow you just repeated the same nonsense again. Impressive!
Focus: thosands of late term abortions that you support. This is the issue.

 

[ppp]

Things that Jesus never said.

Is Jesus not God?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Is Jesus not God?

He's the perfect revelation of God. Everything that comes before him is types and shadows. The Torah law was a system God used because of man's rebellion. It was never meant to be the perfect, complete revelation of God.
Jesus actually clarified the law by explaining that it was limited in scope.


21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?

Jesus' death and resurrection fulfilled the law so it wasn't needed anymore.
The old testament veiw of God is not Christianity. We take our cues from what Jesus said, not the Torah law.

 

[KWED]

Nope. Most are not. That's another common lie.

Oh, the irony of someone who regularly makes stuff up calling verifiable facts "lies".

It is illegal to have an abortion after 23 weeks if it is not a medical necessity. That is why they only make up 0.1% of all abortions.
Abortion statistics, England and Wales: 2020
What is the source of your claim, www.myarse.com?

 

[KWED]

The phrase "in God's image" refers to spiritual qualities that we understand such as being able to love and feel anger, and to trust, possess wisdom etc. It does not refer to physical form.

So you admit that Hitler got his genocidal tendencies from god.

Furthermore, God has perfect knowledge and His spiritual qualities are perfect while humans are not.

Oh, so we weren't made in his "spiritual image" then?
You need to make your mind up.

 

[KWED]

I feel like I'm dying .. I have bad mental and physical health.

Sorry to hear that. If I believed in your god, I would ask him to stop testing you so much.

 

[KWED]

Funny coming from a guy who can't understand that Hitler had the ability to be a moral human.

But you are ignoring what Hitler actually did and only concentrate on what he might have been in a different universe.
In this universe, a guide or rescue dog is better than Hitler. Period.

 

[KWED]

If it's subjective, it's not morality, it's just what is convenient.

 

[ppp]

He's the perfect revelation of God.

So yes. You believe that Jesus is God.

And kill your disobedient children. And witches. And homosexuals. And slavery is okay.

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. "

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

"Then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and do her nails, And she shall remove the garment of her captivity from her, and remain in your house and weep for her father and mother a for month, and after that you may approach her and have intercourse with her, and she shall be your wife."

 

[KWED]

No, I believe what God says through his Son, equals morality. For example, do unto others as you would want them to do to you. Love your worst enemy. If someone asks for your coat give him your shirt too. This isn't based on reward, btw according to scripture. In fact if you only act this way to those who do good to you there's no reason you should be rewarded. Read the gospels.

You have just confirmed my point!
Yet another apologist on here who doesn't seem to understand the implications of their own arguments.
Is this some kind of remedial forum?

 

[KWED]

I've studied bovines, chickens, raccoon, muskrat, fox, coyote, mink, sheep, goats and dogs.
Work being published doesn't mean someone has real experience sadly. A lot of wildlife management for example is done by people who know less than I do about wild animals.

When you say "studied", what do your "studies" consist of? Because from some of your comments about animal behaviour, you don't seem to have much understanding of them.

 

[KWED]

Love your neighbor means loving all

Yes, that's what I said. You claimed that I can't love people you haven't met.

and love is a verb.

It is also a noun. Did you have a point?

Your claim to love those you have never helped is just a claim.

As are all unfalsifiable claims.

James says it's useless to bless those you don't actually do anything for.

Who said anything about "blessing".
Are you saying that loving your neighbour (all mankind) isn't enough. You have to actually do something practical for them all?
Well, my various ways of reducing my personal environmental impact (some at a loss of benefit to myself) is certainly helping everyone on the planet.
So, we can agree that your claim that there are people who "no human loves" is false.

 

[KWED]

Without God you are a nothing made for no reason and going nowhere but in the dirt.

Ultimately, all existence is meaningless However, as has been repeatedly explained to you, I can assign value and meaning to myself and others that are very real to me. There are clear evolutionary benefits in such behaviour. In fact, that kind of value and meaning is more real and valuable and meaningful than some irrational idea from ancient superstition.

All you are doing now is confirming your lack of good faith, and a lack of ability to present arguments.

 

[KWED]

Sometimes I wish it were true.
But alas, I don't think that I can get away with treating others badly, while I profit through immorality.

Why do you think that you cannot treat others well and fairly without god? The evidence that you can is all around you.
Ironically, it is the atheist who has the purer motive because our good deeds are not as a result of promise of reward or threat of punishment. It is simply because it seems like the right thing to do.
Religious "morality" is through self-interest.

Why should there be so many people suffering even in a country that has so many millionaires?

There are two obvious answers. Either god is a complete twat, or he doesn't exist. Take your pick.

 

[KWED]

Things that Jesus never said.

He did when he was a different part of the Trinity.
I suppose he could get away with it if he claims that it's a form of split personality, where he has no control over his behaviour when he is in a different form. A bit like Jeckyll and Hyde.

 

[Ashoka]

Without God you are a nothing made for no reason and going nowhere but in the dirt.

This is a sad way to live.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why would you wish that was true? Theists are scary. I don't want to treat anyone badly, and I don't need the fictional saccharine promise of an afterlife, or the risible imaginary posthumous torture chamber of Hell, to want to treat people decently...

It's all in the mind my friend..
You are a human being and not the "perfect" atheist / person that you claim to be.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Things that Jesus never said.

 

[KWED]

It's all in the mind my friend..
You are a human being and not the "perfect" atheist / person that you claim to be.

I don't think that being generally nice to people is claiming to be "perfect".
The point is that you don't need to believe in a god to be a good person.
In fact, one can argue that it is better if you don't, because then you are good because you simply feel it is right rather than because you desire reward or fear punishment.

I give money to charity/volunteer because I feel those people/causes need help. I get nothing from it. I only lose money and time.
You give to charity because your god tells you to in order to gain paradise points.
You do the math.