Jesus: Not a God

[The Hammer]

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?.

Jesus never once declared that he was God or the Son of God.

"You do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, or the last Gospel. Jesus says things like, "Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier gospels and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things."

 

[JustGeorge]

"Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father."

You could also take the standpoint that these statements as being similar to "Tat tvam asi"(thou art that), meaning one is one with Brahman. He uses "the Father" here, but that could be taken to signify something greater than oneself(like a universal essence), in my opinion.

 

[Psalm23]

In the Gospels of Matthew , Mark , Luke and John, Jesus does not said in the exact words that he is God. However he claimed himself as God through his actions and certain things he said, in my opinion.

 

[The Hammer]

In the Gospels of Matthew , Mark , Luke and John, Jesus does not said in the exact words that he is God. However he claimed himself as God through his actions and certain things he said, in my opinion.

So did Krishna. Imo. And his words and deeds are similar.

Edit:

"Arming himself with discipline,
Seeing everything with an equal eye,
he sees the self in All creatures
and All creatures in the self.

He who sees Me everywhere
and sees everything in me
will not be lost to Me,
and I will not be lost to him.

I exist in all creatures,
so the disciplined man devoted to Me
grasps the Oneness of life;
wherever he is, he is in Me.

When he sees identity in everything,
whether joy or suffering,
through analogy with the self,
he is deemed a man of pure discipline."

 

[dybmh]

These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier gospels and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things.

Maybe there was more than one Jesus?

edit to add:

Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

 

[Psalm23]

So did Krishna. Imo. And his words and deeds are similar.

Edit:

"Arming himself with discipline,
Seeing everything with an equal eye,
he sees the self in All creatures
and All creatures in the self.

He who sees Me everywhere
and sees everything in me
will not be lost to Me,
and I will not be lost to him.

I exist in all creatures,
so the disciplined man devoted to Me
grasps the Oneness of life;
wherever he is, he is in Me.

When he sees identity in everything,
whether joy or suffering,
through analogy with the self,
he is deemed a man of pure discipline."

The words do not sound similar in my opinion. Actually sounds very confusing and new age in teaching.

 

[The Hammer]

The words do not sound similar in my opinion. Actually sounds very confusing and new age in teaching.

Interesting, considering it's a text older than the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita. Written around 400BC.

 

[The Hammer]

Maybe there was more than one Jesus?

edit to add:

Matthew 24:5 For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.

I doubt there was more then One Jesus not sure how this ties in.

 

[Psalm23]

Interesting, considering it's a text older than the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita. Written around 400BC.

New age thinking doesn't necessarily imply new teaching.

 

[The Hammer]

The words do not sound similar in my opinion. Actually sounds very confusing and new age in teaching.

Yes it actually does. "New Age" thinking is about as old as the 1970s, where it was an emergence from the Occult movement.
New Age movement | religious movement

New age thinking doesn't necessarily imply new teaching.

But back on this. You don't think God dwells in All creatures and beings great and small, that he is the Creator of the universe; timeless, unchanging, omnipotent; all that was, is and will Be?

Edit: My responses to the quotes are reversed.

 

[The Hammer]

You could also take the standpoint that these statements as being similar to "Tat tvam asi"(thou art that), meaning one is one with Brahman. He uses "the Father" here, but that could be taken to signify something greater than oneself(like a universal essence), in my opinion.

I see it this way too. It's a reference to the eternal "That Is", and not necessarily the "Christian" God or even Yahweh.

 

[rational experiences]

If you are capable of not being a rich greedy civilisation builder preacher thinker.

Thinking.

Your human claim is direct as natural life was to an innocent natural mother father. Mother a wife a sister a daughter innocent unconditionally loved you human man.

Is not unconditional love.

It's what you preached to your own man human self. I was loved by her innocence of and by no mans judgements.

Then you say I theoried a O circles calculus when no circle existed.

Mass did. Not my calculus.

I then caused Phi crop circle fallout as the man of science.

Life human and animals garden nature and holes proved attacked before... old advice wasn't just about a human egotist one man who was pre living by title status a lord and a king. Himself.

Natural man's status not any lord not any king. Yet as you got attacked rich man you talked about yourself. Why you said no man is God. Owned authority to stop science as rich man lord king.

As an everyday spiritual human wasn't a titled lord or King said the Jesus only one Roman man's lesson.

Ignored the history why it only said one man's teaching myself....as the whole teaching said everything was attacked before. As you're not suddenly especial. Why in fact of human history you were hated.

It wasn't Jesus. The teaching said temple men caused it as technology before.

The document was titled my own rich man lords advice. So you could not lie in the future about how you personally had learnt in the past about human science technology.

Depending on a rich man's truth today is sadly lacking.

Exact.

Years of no God earth mass given back. Holes remained evidence.....cooling evolution of cooled existed. Heavens only. Human mutated life then only by sex changed as DNA was living. Survived only.

So you thesis today humans evolved as humans DNA had healed by sex and strength of healthy DNA present.

Now babies all owning expressed DNA defects by future sex will reproduce sick human's as we have DNA de evolved since history of Roman caused star fall then nuclear power plant attacks.

Human DNA is returning to its mutated expressed life said science notified. Why you are meant to listen to your own psyche saying look at human DNA it's now missing life again.

Ignored about why you're doing all new life DNA biology comparisons.

Atmosphere is not owned by any scientific theist man.

Life evolved health mind.

Evil human destroyer the scientist incentive theist mind theist lying rebuilt the same technology.

Sacrificed attacked healed life as civilisation man Rich man always destroys what science built civilization.

As no man is God no life is a rich man either. Your thinking is fake as is your human status. By terms subject I think about is not life.

Position control is dangerous to the extreme as controlling ING maybe the choice itself.

Your own warning natural history man warns rich man society incorporated.

Phi was stopped. It hovered above ground.

As taught as Satan image owned clouds Jesus man image disappeared went up higher to save life below...so left Satan's heavens.

Was a scientific preaching to liars. Science community.

 

[The Hammer]

If you are capable of not being a rich greedy civilisation builder preacher thinker.

Thinking.

Your human claim is direct as natural life was to an innocent natural mother father. Mother a wife a sister a daughter innocent unconditionally loved you human man.

Is not unconditional love.

It's what you preached to your own man human self. I was loved by her innocence of and by no mans judgements.

Then you say I theoried a O circles calculus when no circle existed.

Mass did. Not my calculus.

I then caused Phi crop circle fallout as the man of science.

Life human and animals garden nature and holes proved attacked before... old advice wasn't just about a human egotist one man who was pre living by title status a lord and a king. Himself.

Natural man's status not any lord not any king. Yet as you got attacked rich man you talked about yourself. Why you said no man is God. Owned authority to stop science as rich man lord king.

As an everyday spiritual human wasn't a titled lord or King said the Jesus only one Roman man's lesson.

Ignored the history why it only said one man's teaching myself....as the whole teaching said everything was attacked before. As you're not suddenly especial. Why in fact of human history you were hated.

It wasn't Jesus. The teaching said temple men caused it as technology before.

The document was titled my own rich man lords advice. So you could not lie in the future about how you personally had learnt in the past about human science technology.

Depending on a rich man's truth today is sadly lacking.

Exact.

Years of no God earth mass given back. Holes remained evidence.....cooling evolution of cooled existed. Heavens only. Human mutated life then only by sex changed as DNA was living. Survived only.

So you thesis today humans evolved as humans DNA had healed by sex and strength of healthy DNA present.

Now babies all owning expressed DNA defects by future sex will reproduce sick human's as we have DNA de evolved since history of Roman caused star fall then nuclear power plant attacks.

Human DNA is returning to its mutated expressed life said science notified. Why you are meant to listen to your own psyche saying look at human DNA it's now missing life again.

Ignored about why you're doing all new life DNA biology comparisons.

Atmosphere is not owned by any scientific theist man.

Life evolved health mind.

Evil human destroyer the scientist incentive theist mind theist lying rebuilt the same technology.

Sacrificed attacked healed life as civilisation man Rich man always destroys what science built civilization.

As no man is God no life is a rich man either. Your thinking is fake as is your human status. By terms subject I think about is not life.

Position control is dangerous to the extreme as controlling ING maybe the choice itself.

Your own warning natural history man warns rich man society incorporated.

Phi was stopped. It hovered above ground.

As taught as Satan image owned clouds Jesus man image disappeared went up higher to save life below...so left Satan's heavens.

Was a scientific preaching to liars. Science community.

I appreciate your response. Have a good night.

 

[sun rise]

Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, a great one in India and a devotee of Mother Kali, had a vision of Jesus:

Rising with a great force, the waves of those impressions completely submerged the Hindu ideas in his mind. His love and devotion to the Devas (Gods) and Devis (Goddesses) vanished, and in their stead, a great faith in and reverence for Jesus and his religion occupied his mind, and began to show him Christian padrees (priests) offering incense and light before the image of Jesus in the Church and to reveal to him the eagerness of their hearts as is seen in their earnest prayers.

...

Very soon the person approached him and from the bottom of the Master’s pure heart came out with a ringing sound, the words, “Jesus! Jesus the Christ, the great Yogi, the loving Son of God, one with the Father, who gave his heart’s blood and put up with endless torture in order to deliver men from sorrow and misery!”

Jesus, the god-man, then embraced the Master and disappeared into his body and the Master entered into ecstasy (Bhav Samadhi), lost normal consciousness and remained identified for some time with the Omnipresent Brahman (God, the Ocean of Consciousness) with attributes.

How Sri Ramakrishna Saw Jesus Merge Into His Body – The Spiritual Bee

 

[rational experiences]

The master term is said only by man the scientist theist. Who do own the story as a man the theism. As a man thinker of science then man's life attacked experiencing chemical bio change.

Master meaning ... I own domain dominion as a man consciousness by mans thought by my word human over all things.

Yet you didn't own created creation. Rich men took control said make me rich. I pay you then the money paid back I forced you to slave work to gain myself. His invention money system how I became the rich man.

Has to be the first topic. As tribal first men didn't invent inventive design.

Baby man did by choice to force own as a young man self and agreed brothers unnatural family life dominion. Is our human teaching.

Mother father first were brother sister....why I know the term used brother you preach is fake.

Jesus is factored by letters only after to equate Phi. Yes Phi did it he said. Man's science thesis Fell.

Men first factored O Phi by numbers not letters.

Phi fallout burnt Satan man's origin cloud image. Notice a cloud is a heated mass gas then cooled reactive mass in space womb vacuum.

The Satan angel fell burning to ground as machines mass change is by small bio human man. Yet machines causes only. Small designer yet big used design.

Water holy oxygenated life is how man's exact bio place is lived. Not clouds.

So water left bio life.

Water ground mass leaving was what took clouds mass fall back up to voiding vacuum womb position. Heavens above only the ground isn't Jesus.

CH gases come out of stone like methane that kills biology. Christ term.

Jesus returned above. Above us as clouds of Satan's mass were disappearing.

Today human collider theists want Jesus not in the vacuum void position above us they want it to be held over his ground machine.

So are trying to convert a cloud line mass cooled tunnel mass Jesus already supported into a burnt cloud body mass but reacted cooled to act like a type of tunnel bag.

To come down to machines opening sitting as a new type of cloud form only with UFO entering machine whilst all life no longer is supported by Jesus cooling above. Term science warning said burns us to death instead.

By type of cloud mass I want as his science thesis. Which is always I have a theory by terms only..... as and is by intent... I now will force a new act. So it's not even Jesus by terms of what Jesus did. By man's science assessment of causes.

As Phi fallout is not Jesus. On ground image is the alien. Self evident.

Jesus by calculus after the fact gave a lettered named evaluation about Phi that said it went higher in the heavens than the Satan cloud mass saving life. By activity only.

And it disappeared. The body cloud mass.

The immaculate is the only space of coldest clear gas.

Sciences cold clear gas isn't the immaculate. Modern science puts its gas inside metal cold containers.

The immaculate was before the sun attacked earth as the exact scientific teaching.

A man's teaching I am Jesus said his man's ground holy water life was abducted yet his biology goes nowhere.

His living biologies is sacrificed it's biology human blood cells.

As any man who isn't having a stigmata body attack his vision is not as bad as origin attack and personal only to his baby conceived man DNA.

So he knows the experience is similar but he witnessed only due to a chemical bio man's mind body change only. Like a drug effect.

Then water oxygenation as spirit image seen disperses correct oxygen supply biology balances cell continuance. As water gets forced back to ground when cloud mass cools.

Proof that a human man biology had caused the type of designed attack himself. Because biology changed in a human only experience

Is what any man life bio changed not a Jesus attack at all ever stated himself. Advised by Satan cloud memory why but never was it Jesus. As four days earth heavens change in a moon cycle was involved.

Jesus science said was gods only term science caused.

No man is God
Son of God changes to gods angels the G spiral O position that already owned cloud mass gods Satan's angels.

Man was taught Jesus wasn't God no man was God either.

Hence there was never any argument that was contrary to the advice as it happened twice when using chosen man science technology.

A human father sexually procreates with the human mother a humans regained man son

The holy Trinity holy father human holy mother human holy baby human.

Man adult man baby life died out of DNA. He mistaught.

As a O ovary ...only mother woman body only owned gave him back his father man's life body. So he thought it was miraculous.

He taught my father is holy. I am a son baby of my father so honour our lifes holiness. Supported by gas spirit hosts heavens.

No science.

Said my holy human mother and baby son life were both sacrificed by my brother's evil father is God thesis.

Father was always a biological human man who owned human sex.

 

[Trailblazer]

"You do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, or the last Gospel. Jesus says things like, "Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John,

But these verses don't mean that Jesus is God. Imo, these verses have been misinterpreted by Christians.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

According to my beliefs, that verse means that Jesus existed in the spiritual world before Abraham was born into this world.

(96) PRE-EXISTENCE - of Prophets

The Prophets, unlike us, are pre-existent. The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to
picture His state of being.
(Shoghi Effendi: High Endeavors, Page: 71)

Below is one of my interpretations of some other verses.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Jesus was like a clear mirror, and God became visible in the mirror. This is why Jesus said, “The Father is in the Son” (John 14:11, John 17:21), meaning that God is visible and manifest in Jesus.

“I and my Father are one” (John 10:30) means that Jesus and God are one and the same, so whatever pertains to Jesus, all His acts and doings, are identical with the Will of the Father. Jesus and God also share the same Holy Spirit, so in that sense they are one and the same. Jesus also shares many of the Attributes of God so in that sense they are one and the same. The verse below says that God was manifest in the flesh; it does not say that God became flesh. God cannot become flesh because God is and has always been immensely exalted beyond all that can either be recounted or perceived, everlastingly hidden from the eyes of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh and that is why Jesus said to the Jews:

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 10:37-38 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

 

[The Hammer]

Ramakrishna Paramhamsa, a great one in India and a devotee of Mother Kali, had a vision of Jesus:

Rising with a great force, the waves of those impressions completely submerged the Hindu ideas in his mind. His love and devotion to the Devas (Gods) and Devis (Goddesses) vanished, and in their stead, a great faith in and reverence for Jesus and his religion occupied his mind, and began to show him Christian padrees (priests) offering incense and light before the image of Jesus in the Church and to reveal to him the eagerness of their hearts as is seen in their earnest prayers.

...

Very soon the person approached him and from the bottom of the Master’s pure heart came out with a ringing sound, the words, “Jesus! Jesus the Christ, the great Yogi, the loving Son of God, one with the Father, who gave his heart’s blood and put up with endless torture in order to deliver men from sorrow and misery!”

Jesus, the god-man, then embraced the Master and disappeared into his body and the Master entered into ecstasy (Bhav Samadhi), lost normal consciousness and remained identified for some time with the Omnipresent Brahman (God, the Ocean of Consciousness) with attributes.

How Sri Ramakrishna Saw Jesus Merge Into His Body – The Spiritual Bee

Well, I've certainly never seen a visage of Jesus. Even in my most intense of spiritual experiences; the closest I came was feeling "Safe".

But it didn't feel Christian related, in the sense that I was "saved".

 

[rational experiences]

No man is God.

Stated without argument no man is God.

Abraham was not of Origin Phi only testimonial stated. Named after all changes had been caused. So it was theoretical first. Phi. Theoretical after to say yes man's science technology caused it. Fall of phi.

All stated by phi fell out as man's thesis. Origin science only.

The Isis.

Egyptian study of their attacked life causes.

The Isis.
Thesis.

As the living man says I am the man.

I the sis....I caused it.

So he stated I am the man who theoried man's science yet it was about temple pyramid science.

As Isis hadn't existed it was symbolic terms man's sciences. Why it's depicted in pictograms. About technology. Human controlled.

Why life was attacked as written of theories proof. The word proved that man's maths numbers had caused it.

As maths..Matthew said I had caused cut the heavens by falling UFO line burns myself. I invented caused fallout sin holes.

Hewed the heavens.

So clouds had returned cooled cooling the attack. But since Jesus caused attack had not stopped falling.

Jesus was never before.

Phi man's maths calculus was first in science of man. As you have to live exist exact the calculus yourself.

As it does not exist anywhere.

Because you caused it to exist still it isn't Phi. As Phi isn't the mass of the heavens that allows you to see fallout was what was being stated.

You ignore being told man's maths science was always a liar as Phi does not own created creation.

A dust reaction becomes nuclear gas not a human life.

 

[stvdv]

If Jesus Never Called Himself God, How Did He Become One?.

Jesus never once declared that he was God or the Son of God.

"You do find Jesus calling himself God in the Gospel of John, or the last Gospel. Jesus says things like, "Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier gospels and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things."

Makes sense there is only 1 who said this
As it is also written that the Path is narrow...very few...

 

[1213]

..."Before Abraham was, I am." And, "I and the Father are one," and, "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father." These are all statements you find only in the Gospel of John, and that's striking because we have earlier gospels and we have the writings of Paul, and in none of them is there any indication that Jesus said such things."

John is also the one who says God is greater than Jesus and that there is only one true God.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3

...the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

Also, for example Paul also says "I am", if it means person is claiming to be God, then Jesus is not the only one. And, Bible says Jesus is the image of God, so obviously, if person has seen image of God, he has seen also God.

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. .... Colossians 1:14-16