No escape from an evil God

[Eddi]

What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!

 

[JustGeorge]

I don't think all Gods are good. Evil's a strong word, but I think some are more prone to negativity than others.

I try to stick with the ones I find good, and steer clear of those I find to be not so good.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Basically: Should we fear him?

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

He has absolute power over each and every sentient being

So I think it is an important question for us to try and address

But then what could we possibly do about it? He's The Supreme Being!

We're trapped in his creation

There's no way out, no way of escaping him

You literally cannot escape an omnipresent being

He is unescapable!

Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!

But what if Satan is only pretending to be bad, to make God look nice relatively speaking?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..................Should we be afraid of his wrath?
Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity? Basically: Should we fear him?
Again: I think that the question of his character is a very important one, if he yields power over what happens to us once we die and is supposedly in control of the universe!

In Scripture ' fear' of God is meant as fear of displeasing God as a loving child would Not want to displease a parent.
We are speaking about having a 'reverential fear' and Not fright.
In the Bible, I find there is 'No Hell for all eternity' because biblical hell/grave comes to final end.
' delivered up ' out of biblical hell - Revelation 20:13-14 - means being resurrected out of the grave.
Just as righteous Jesus who on the day he died went to hell - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
If biblical hell had No way out then Jesus would still be in hell, instead his God resurrected Jesus out of hell/grave.
Jesus and the OT both teach ' sleep ' in death - John 11:11-14; Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5.
Thus, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead until Resurrection Day.
Resurrection Day meaning: Jesus' coming 'Millennium-Long Day' of governing over Earth in righteousness.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But what if Satan is only pretending to be bad, to make God look nice relatively speaking?

I find Satan is 'the god of this world of badness' according to 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Sinner Satan is the liar - John 8:44
Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B
That will make the God of Jesus took more than 'nice'.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What if God is only pretending to be nice...

What if he is in fact evil?

Then God has flaws which can be used against it. Also such God is doomed to eventually self destruct in some way, unless it becomes non evil.

I suppose you could have God alternate between good and evil, but it would have to overall be good in order to be stable. Evil is by nature destructive, so its a problem.

Should we be afraid of his wrath?

Should we fear him sending us down to Hell for all eternity?

Such fear would not save us, and hell at least is something. It is better than nothing.

Also: If God is good, should we fear him????

Should we be afraid of God?

A good God has an overall plan. Wherever you fit into that plan is where you are. Why change God's plan? You'd be harming the plan of good God, so through fear you'd be performing evil. If you are to go to hell, then hell is your part in the plan. Accepting is a righteous act; for not to go to hell alters the good plan. Fearing it is to enter it.

He is unescapable!

Unless God is evil, because evil beings have flaws.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I find Satan is 'the god of this world of badness' according to 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Sinner Satan is the liar - John 8:44
Jesus will destroy Satan according to Hebrews 2:14 B
That will make the God of Jesus took more than 'nice'.

Yes, but if we dig further, we find God is the one and only, complimentary opposites like good and evil (and like ying and yang, light and dark, etc..) must be present for there to be creation. Without the tension between complimentary opposites, there would be no movement, no creation. The dark angel Satan and good angel Michael are both expressions of the one God.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

 

[epronovost]

Unless God is evil, because evil beings have flaws.

Not necessarily. If it's all powerful and evil, it doesn't require any skill for it to make you suffer. You could not escape because it's simply too powerful to be so. It might be lazy and stupid and self-centered, even such a being with an infinite amount of power would be impossible to escape, you are just too tiny.

 

[Viker]

But what if Satan is only pretending to be bad, to make God look nice relatively speaking?

What ifs. Okay. What if Satan and the aforementioned Almighty were one in the same? This would not contradict there being an all powerful, all evil supreme being. In other words, the joke would have been on us the whole time.



BTW, I don't actually believe any of that "what if"?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What ifs. Okay. What if Satan and the aforementioned Almighty were one in the same? This would not contradict there being an all powerful, all evil supreme being. In other words, the joke would have been on us the whole time.



BTW, I don't actually believe any of that "what if"?

The dark angel Satan is an expression of God, so are the angels of light, the complimentary opposite aspects of good and evil are as natural to the Abrahamic God as the ying and yang are to the Tao. See my post no #7

I interpreted the OP as a joke, of course 'what ifs' are ridiculous, I mean what if God pretended to be a Spaghetti Monster? Now that may even pass as a serious thread title on RF these days.

 

[74x12]

The dark angel Satan is an expression of God, so are the angels of light, the complimentary opposite aspects of good and evil are as natural to the Abrahamic God as the ying and yang are to the Tao. See my post no #7
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No Satan isn't an expression of God as it contradicts way to many scriptures. He's just the counterargument to God. God needs him to prove his own ways are right and the best. Because if God is never challenged then he can't establish the truth as certifiably tested. It's all about building the new Jerusalem and so he needs everything to be tested by fire.

But when Satan's time is up he goes in the lake of fire because he's evil even though he is still being used by God to purify everything good like fire.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No Satan isn't an expression of God as it contradicts way to many scriptures. He's just the counterargument to God. God needs him to prove his own ways are right and the best. Because if God is never challenged then he can't establish the truth as certifiably tested. It's all about building the new Jerusalem and so he needs everything to be tested by fire.

But when Satan's time is up he goes in the lake of fire because he's evil even though he is still being used by God to purify everything good like fire.

God is the source of all there is, nothing exists that was not created by God!

Or do you believe that some other deity created Satan? And if so. who, and if not, how did Satan come into existence?

 

[74x12]

God is the source of all there is, nothing exists that was not created by God!

Or do you believe that some other deity created Satan? And if so. who, and if not, how did Satan come into existence?

God made him but he corrupted himself. As it is written he fell like lightning from heaven. It was a rebuke showing his shame and rebellion against God.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

God made him but he corrupted himself. As it is written he fell like lightning from heaven. It was a rebuke showing his shame and rebellion against God.

Everything that exists is an expression of God. Read the Isaiah 45:7 piece, God creates the light and the darkness, the good and the evil. If Satan was created by God uncorrupted, and got corrupted, it was still God's will and he is still an expression of God

Unless you believe Satan is as or more powerful than God, how could his corruption happen if it was not God's will? If it was not God's will and Satan corrupted himself despite of that fact, it means Satan's power to corrupt himself is greater than God's power to prevent it! Which would be nonsense.

 

[74x12]

Everything that exists is an expression of God. Read the Isaiah 45:7 piece, God creates the light and the darkness, the good and the evil. If Satan was created by God uncorrupted, and got corrupted, it was still God's will and he is still an expression of God

Unless you believe Satan is as or more powerful than God, how could his corruption happen if it was not God's will? If it was not God's will and Satan corrupted himself despite of that fact, it means Satan's power to corrupt himself is greater than God's power to prevent it! Which would be nonsense.

Then there could be no sin. In which case Jesus died in vain because no one ever sinned. We just did what God wanted us to do. Is that what you believe?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Then there could be no sin. In which case Jesus died in vain because no one ever sinned. We just did what God wanted us to do. Is that what you believe?

No, everything in existence is an expression of God, including the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'. Some expressions of God, think human beings, are given the free will to sin or to do what is right. Iow, we are still expressions of God when we sin and when we do good, but there is a divine purpose in this freedom which is about discovering what Jesus taught, God is the source of light and darkness, only through God/Jesus Christ will we ever be redeemed from the karmic suffering and delights we have as humans that arise from sin and doing right respectively. We must transcend the duality of good and evil to partake of the tree of life in the center of the garden that provides eternal redemption.

 

[74x12]

No, everything in existence is an expression of God, including the 'tree of knowledge of good and evil'. Some expressions of God, think human beings, are given the free will to sin or to do what is right. Iow, we are still expressions of God when we sin and when we do good, but there is a divine purpose in this freedom which is about discovering what Jesus taught, God is the source of light and darkness, only through God/Jesus Christ will we ever be redeemed from the karmic suffering and delights we have as humans that arise from sin and doing right respectively.

For your original argument to make sense about Satan; I think logically it must apply to us as well. If Satan can't sin then we can't either. If you say that Satan can only do what God made him to do and therefore is guiltless; then the same must logically apply to us.

So, I say angels do have the ability to sin just like we do. They aren't as prone to sin because they are greater in power and might. They are also more knowledgeable and don't have to worry about the temptations of a mortal form. But they can sin if they want. And some of them did want to apparently.

So I must respectfully disagree with you.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

For your original argument to make sense about Satan; I think logically it must apply to us as well. If Satan can't sin then we can't either. If you say that Satan can only do what God made him to do and therefore is guiltless; then the same must logically apply to us.

So, I say angels do have the ability to sin just like we do. They aren't as prone to sin because they are greater in power and might. They are also more knowledgeable and don't have to worry about the temptations of a mortal form. But they can sin if they want. And some of them did want to apparently.

So I must respectfully disagree with you.

Of course Satan can sin, what I said is despite that, he is an expression of God. Satan has the same free will as you do, and who knows, just like you, he may do some good things? Or do you believe that Satan has no free will and do a good deed?

In any event, my point still stands, God is omnipotent, all that happens, good and evil, the bucks stops with him ultimately. It is a perfect arrangement, only the dark ones think God is imperfect and would like to change the way creation works.

 

[rational experiences]

What if the scientist isn't really a nice man but hides in spiritual organisations pretending he didn't introduce the term WH ore?

When he did.

As brother sister human were first both virgins first. Had sex. Neither a whore.

As human sex isn't science.

Now today billions of biological humans past and present were created by sex.

Does your sick destroyer wisdom science by mind contemplate humanity a whore for so much sex?

More than likely your own psyche problem.

Yes says a mind of men perverted. As a destroyer mind status wisdom is not a nice man. You just pretend you are nice.

In reality life continuance the information should not have been sought.

Is your owned men of science pointing the finger quoting whore of baby Lon to any scientist.

Science a branch off religious history tries to pretend it's not wrong.

As rich men like being royalty. In mind or state. As does the scientist loves his social status.

A self human idol.

It's all of your fault. Humans lying in pretence.

So a church or a country isn't any WH ore. Yet all nations in science own ore.

What type of community you gather in does not change any fact a human is first just a human anywhere.

Your behaviour proves if you are nice or not. Scientists by theism thinks and named the wh ore as your own use of perverted personalities yourselves.

Nothing loving about building nuclear bombs.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Not necessarily. If it's all powerful and evil, it doesn't require any skill for it to make you suffer. You could not escape because it's simply too powerful to be so. It might be lazy and stupid and self-centered, even such a being with an infinite amount of power would be impossible to escape, you are just too tiny.

First of all I can't believe you are disagreeing with my unassailable argument. Of course I can escape. The sheer power of the evil being insures that cracks will form, and tiny little me shall slip through the tiny cracks.