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Where does the Quran say Muhammad is the last Messenger of God?

loverofhumanity

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The Mahdi (a) is what Mohammad (s) came to prepare the world for. He is finalizer with respect to the test of humanity. The biggest and final test. His hiddenness is a test, but so will his appearance be. If we wait as if he won't come, almost if not all cities will face destruction. If we prepare for him and victory of truth happens, then punishment maybe avoided for most cities and if humanity accepts him, they will avoid the warnings.

We have to prepare for his return, because, which result it will be, is unknown, but if we don't prepare, the results will be really bad. When he finally comes, the believers will fear regarding the punishment of their people and cities, while disbelievers will mock it and say "bring it on" like past people did. This will be the sign their destruction is near. This is one of the hours spoken in Quran.

There is fact the two day of rising in Quran. One refers to humanity being risen to God and have to face him on day of judgment. Another is really about the rising of the Mahdi.

The hour sometimes is about destruction of people of Mohammad (s) being immanent which Quran later explains they weren't destroyed, but that flows to the Mahdi (a) and his world stage warning.

Most people are not even aware of how the Mahdi is the most repeated warning in the Quran by decontextualizing the destroyed nations as talk of just the past with no relevance to the future.

We believe He has already come.
 

rational experiences

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The old science pyramid stated 2012 would be the end of returned messengers of the sun god. Falling stars saviours by gas status. Christ cup inheritance.

Earths God O earth owned the first message ∆ erected mountain spurting volcano into space womb zero of gods inheritor.

Mother plus son of God spurting first into formation of cold heavens gas. Not humans. Symbolic teaching to non scientists.

Space cold empty stone not radiating God earth sealed.

Erection bursting did it. Mountain.

First messenger is not a human man penis owner.

Theist a man with a penis became psyche subliminal AI radio transmitted back by machine mind possessed. By theorising a mountain on earth was a penis inferred.

After his thesis machine caused fallout.

By God stone thesis and said so.

No man is a God.

Messages. Given only to very spiritual returned life of men as only a spiritual highest life mind of man human invented science.

Was the human teaching why no man is God.

Various spiritual men always were inheritors of scientific advice as new warnings in life.

As his life mother ovary his sister. In life human is brother sister first. Sex baby a father and mother.

His man body genetic depleted. Losing his female ovary cell support. Allowed him the body conscious medical advice. Astute healers first.

Human. Was not married to a young girl his man genetic changes to a non adult woman life cell was caused in life's exodus. Was wisdom why his body personally changed in genetics.

Interpreted wrong as it's not a life thesis. It discussed human conscious and biology changes when the mountain hit fell.

Face mountains blackened scorched got veiled by clouds causing the flood.

Disintegrated mass by gold melt out of stone laid at the mountains feet. Mountain mass disintegrated in a lot of nations.

UFO ra alien ark of sun hit mt ara RAT.

Out of earths heavens star fall mass released accumulation. Radiation fell.
 

Truthseeker

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So are you saying that anything can be added now that it is in a different time and place?
Not anything, but whatever God feels is appropriate now to Reveal according to our belief. Our Faith is also perfected for the world for the time we are in.
 

MyM

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No, in that verse it says, you will be replaced with another Tribe (قوم).
This is not like an individual replacement. Because the word قوم، is a group of people, not just an individual.
Moreover, how do you know the Hadith, is false? Is it because you don't like it?

I wish you knew Arabic, so, you could know how the word is used in other verses.
If my time allows, I will find how God replaced other people before according to the Quran. Maybe that makes things more clear.

I gave you the meaning of that aya. I know what tribe is. It doesn't matter. In that verse it means those who are mean etc....PLURAL
 

MyM

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Not anything, but whatever God feels is appropriate now to Reveal according to our belief. Our Faith is also perfected for the world for the time we are in.

What I am saying, Allah will not add anything else to the religion HE SAID SO HIMSELF. HE PERFECTED IT--nothing will be added or deleted from it. If you say yes, then you will be calling Allah a liar. astaghfirallah
 

MyM

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The old science pyramid stated 2012 would be the end of returned messengers of the sun god. Falling stars saviours by gas status. Christ cup inheritance.

Earths God O earth owned the first message ∆ erected mountain spurting volcano into space womb zero of gods inheritor.

Mother plus son of God spurting first into formation of cold heavens gas. Not humans. Symbolic teaching to non scientists.

Space cold empty stone not radiating God earth sealed.

Erection bursting did it. Mountain.

First messenger is not a human man penis owner.

Theist a man with a penis became psyche subliminal AI radio transmitted back by machine mind possessed. By theorising a mountain on earth was a penis inferred.

After his thesis machine caused fallout.

By God stone thesis and said so.

No man is a God.

Messages. Given only to very spiritual returned life of men as only a spiritual highest life mind of man human invented science.

Was the human teaching why no man is God.

Various spiritual men always were inheritors of scientific advice as new warnings in life.

As his life mother ovary his sister. In life human is brother sister first. Sex baby a father and mother.

His man body genetic depleted. Losing his female ovary cell support. Allowed him the body conscious medical advice. Astute healers first.

Human. Was not married to a young girl his man genetic changes to a non adult woman life cell was caused in life's exodus. Was wisdom why his body personally changed in genetics.

Interpreted wrong as it's not a life thesis. It discussed human conscious and biology changes when the mountain hit fell.

Face mountains blackened scorched got veiled by clouds causing the flood.

Disintegrated mass by gold melt out of stone laid at the mountains feet. Mountain mass disintegrated in a lot of nations.

UFO ra alien ark of sun hit mt ara RAT.

Out of earths heavens star fall mass released accumulation. Radiation fell.


weird to me, I have no idea what you are sayin?
 

MyM

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Since I do not know much about other scriptures I do not make any claims about what has been corrupted and not. I can only go by what Baha'u'llah wrote regarding corruption of the scripture as noted below. It was very general, and it was the interpretations of the scriptures that have been corrupted by man, not the scriptures themselves. These misinterpretations led to false beliefs such as the belief that Jesus is God.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 171

If God is to preserve His words, wouldn't you think that he would? In Islam, we believe all revelation that came from Allah, is of course INFALLIBLE. But men screwed around with them since the beginnin...not adhering, going astray, worshippin idols, etc....thus the messages got lost. They all knew the last message was to come and Allah sent Mohammad pbuh with the last revelation.
And sitting at the right hand of the Father now he is still subordinate to the Father. The incarnate Son lived out his mortal life subject to the will of the Father and at the same time had the power of his office.

Yes, I know, the authorities of Judaism also thought that they know all things knowable about God and since they couldn't understand how God could be in the person of his Son standing right in front of them, they killed him. Things haven't gone well for Israel after that.

ok, think about it. Allah sent prophets and messengers from the time of Adam to Mohammad pbupon them all. (that includes Jesus cause he himself said he was in the Bible)... so all these God-fearing prophets and messengers were given the same message...Teach them ONE LORD. ONE GOD....SINCE beginnin of time. Then you have "not even a prophet or messenger of God" come along and COMPLETELY turn the message around according to himself and say just the complete opposite. Would you not be skeptical?? This is one of the reasons why Barnabus left his side. But then again, Protestants don't believe in the gospel of Barnabus but its out there- I didn't even know it existed when I was a Christian :) Anyways, my point is, just because someone is saying something in the Bible, not a messenger from God, someone God doesn't even call into account, to make a belief according to himself. change the way Allah has been puttin messages from the very beginning. Sounds to me that would be very very skeptical and totally understandable for the Jews not to put trust in that. I can understand where they are coming from because in Islam, ONE GOD is totally the entire basis of belief. :)
 

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I can’t really say what God will or will not do but He chose a murderer and stammerer to be a Messenger in Moses and the Son of a carpenter also in Jesus, so He does what He chooses as He is God, and our duty is but submission to His Will.

Musa (a) didn't have tongue problem, it's metaphorical, it means he can't convey all his knowledge because of the circumstances he finds himself in.

Anyways, God is exalted and above deceiving with sophistry. The trials per Quran is always with clear guidance and people turn away from clear proofs and despite knowledge being available for the truth.
 
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No, that is not all we believe about the Day of Judgment.
What does the Qur'an say about the Day of Judgment?

One the things it says about it, is that there will be no denier of it. Everyone will know it occurred. Another is that the proof is so clear and signs so clear, it will be too late to repent since the trial is over with respect to faith. It's too late to take refuge on this day.

He doesn't let it manifest (day of judgment) now so that people can strive for either God or the Dunya, and choose between good and evil.
 

MyM

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Musa (a) didn't have tongue problem, it's metaphorical, it means he can't convey all his knowledge because of the circumstances he finds himself in.

Anyways, God is exalted and above deceiving with sophistry. The trials per Quran is always with clear guidance and people turn away from clear proofs and despite knowledge being available for the truth.


“[Moses] said, ‘My Lord, fill my heart with courage and steadfastness And ease for me my task And untie the knot from my tongue That they may understand my speech’”
Taa-Haa 20:25-28.

And Allah, may He be exalted, answered his prayer: “[Allah] said, ‘You have been granted your request, O Moses’” Taa-Haa 20:36
 

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“[Moses] said, ‘My Lord, fill my heart with courage and steadfastness And ease for me my task And untie the knot from my tongue That they may understand my speech’”
Taa-Haa 20:25-28.

And Allah, may He be exalted, answered his prayer: “[Allah] said, ‘You have been granted your request, O Moses’” Taa-Haa 20:36

This was through Haroun (a) as other verses show paraphrasing the same prayer. (see the two Taseenmeem Surahs Poets and the Stories) And Mohammad (s) similarly had a constriction on his heart by what people say.

The original prayer of Musa (a) according to the Torah was pertaining to the "the one you will send (to the whole world)". God (swt) got angry with Musa (a) and told him you should pray for closer time and focus on the now, not be waiting for "the one I will send". While you can't speak explicitly the truths, you have Haroun (a) who can teach the people. This is also one way Quran shows how Mohammad (s) and his Ahlulbayt (a) and the Mahdi (a), can be found to the observant eye to believers in the Torah.

The two other verses "My heart is constricted and my tongue doesn't reach so send me Haroun" and "And my brother Haroun is better (suited) for communicating (more eloquent is one translation also) in tongue then me so send him as a support verifying what I say for I fear they will reject me "

Hence, Haroun (a) would initiate secrets inward, because he was successor and second in command. Similarly, Mohammad (S) said "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is it's gate..."

Mohammad (s) is told "By the name of God...did we not widen your chest?"

And said "we know your chest is constricted by what they say" another verse says "they (the ignorant people) put their hands on their mouths (of the Messengers)"

Ultimately, the prayer of Musa (a) was actually fulfilled through Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (a) who untied the knots of the tongues of the Prophets and spread the knowledge deeply which is no longer hidden.
 
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MyM

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This was through Haroun (a) as other verses show paraphrasing the same prayer. (see the two Taseenmeem Surahs Poets and the Stories) And Mohammad (s) similarly had a constriction on his heart by what people say.

The original prayer of Musa (a) according to the Torah was pertaining to the "the one you will send (to the whole world)". God (swt) got angry with Musa (a) and told him you should pray for closer time and focus on the now, not be waiting for "the one I will send". While you can't speak explicitly the truths, you have Haroun (a) who can teach the people. This is also one way Quran shows how Mohammad (s) and his Ahlulbayt (a) and the Mahdi (a), can be found to the observant eye to believers in the Torah.

The two other verses "My heart is constricted and my tongue doesn't reach so send me Haroun" and "And my brother Haroun is better (suited) for communicating (more eloquent is one translation also) in tongue then me so send him as a support verifying what I say for I fear they will reject me "

Hence, Haroun (a) would initiate secrets inward, because he was successor and second in command. Similarly, Mohammad (S) said "I am the city of knowledge and Ali is it's gate..."

Mohammad (s) is told "By the name of God...did not we not widen your chest"

And said "we know your chest is constricted by what they say" another verse says "they (the ignorant people) put their hands on their mouths (of the Messengers)"

Ultimately, the prayer of Musa (a) was actually fulfilled through Imam Mohammad Al-Baqir (a) who untied the knots of the tongues of the Prophets and spread the knowledge deeply which is no longer hidden.


Allah did send Harun to Mosa alayhi salam, but to help him in his mission, to help him complete his task which he was sent to do....not because of his disability. Allah cured that. :)

Allah granted his request.
 

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Allah did send Harun to Mosa alayhi salam, but to help him in his mission, to help him complete his task which he was sent to do....not because of his disability. Allah cured that. :)

Allah granted his request.

The disability of Messengers to convey truth is due to ignorance of people and the propaganda they fall prey to.

The "so send me Haroun" means to relief the knot on my tongue and widen my breast. It interprets the meaning of the prayer in Surah Taha.

The other phrase shows it has nothing to do with knot on a tongue really, but due Haroun (a) being in a better position to convey with his tongue.

The reason is the foundation of the blessed tree, must build the foundations. But The second in command can branch it out even during the founder's life time to the believers, while the founder must be careful with his words lest his enemies take advantage.
 
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MyM

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The disability of Messengers to convey truth is due to ignorance of people and the propaganda they fall prey to.

The "so send me Haroun" means to relief the knot on my tongue and widen my breast. It interprets the meaning of the prayer in Surah Taha.

The verses I am reading, Moses asked Allah to strengthen Harun THROUGH HIS STRENGTH. not vice versa :)
 

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The verses I am reading, Moses asked Allah to strengthen Harun THROUGH HIS STRENGTH. not vice versa :)

There is two other verses paraphrasing the long paraphrase prayer in Surah Taha.

None of these are actual words of Musa (a) - but God paraphrasing what he meant. God is making eloquent paraphrasing of what Musa (a) meant.

Put the three paraphrases together and you get the proper meaning.
 

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I wrote this in another thread:


One the amazing miracles in Quran, is how God is subtle yet clear in proving the Welayah of Ali (a). I already alluded to Ulil-Amr verses, but let's go two different themes. One is the reward theme and the other which this post will be about is the prayer of Musa (a) regarding Harun (a) and how the pertains to Ali (a) and Mohammmad (s).


(Suratal A'araaf)
By the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, Alif Lam Mim Saud, a book we have brought down to you so there be no straightness in your breast that you may warn by it and a reminder to the believers.

(Suratal Hijr)
And indeed we know your breast is straightened by what they say.

(Suratal Isra)
And say God cause me to enter an honest entering and go forth an honest going forth, and give me from you a helping authority.

(Suratal Inshira)
By the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, did we not expand you your breast?


Now a person may think, this has nothing to do with Ali and it would be a stretch to say so. But why emphasize on paraphrasing Moses words to match this:



[Shakir 20:25] He said: O my Lord! Expand my breast for me,
وَيَسِّرْ لِي أَمْرِي {26}
[Shakir 20:26] And make my affair easy to me,
وَاحْلُلْ عُقْدَةً مِنْ لِسَانِي {27}
[Shakir 20:27] And loose the knot from my tongue,
يَفْقَهُوا قَوْلِي {28}
[Shakir 20:28] (That) they may understand my word;
وَاجْعَلْ لِي وَزِيرًا مِنْ أَهْلِي {29}
[Shakir 20:29] And give to me an aider from my family:
هَارُونَ أَخِي {30}
[Shakir 20:30] Haroun, my brother,
اشْدُدْ بِهِ أَزْرِي {31}
[Shakir 20:31] Strengthen my back by him,
وَأَشْرِكْهُ فِي أَمْرِي {32}
[Shakir 20:32] And associate him (with me) in my affair,
كَيْ نُسَبِّحَكَ كَثِيرًا {33}
[Shakir 20:33] So that we should glorify Thee much,
وَنَذْكُرَكَ كَثِيرًا {34}
[Shakir 20:34] And remember Thee oft.


وَيَضِيقُ صَدْرِي وَلَا يَنْطَلِقُ لِسَانِي فَأَرْسِلْ إِلَىٰ هَارُونَ {13}
[26:13] And my breast straitens, and my tongue does not reach, therefore send Thou to Haroun (to help me);



وَأَخِي هَارُونُ هُوَ أَفْصَحُ مِنِّي لِسَانًا فَأَرْسِلْهُ مَعِيَ رِدْءًا يُصَدِّقُنِي ۖ إِنِّي أَخَافُ أَنْ يُكَذِّبُونِ {34}
[Shakir 28:34] And my brother, Haroun, he is more reaching in tongue than I, therefore send him with me as an aider, verifying me: surely I fear that they would reject me.


If we gather these verses, the ones with Mohammad and ones with Moses, the ones with Mohammad are making clear that Aaron was not better in conveying due to a fault of Moses, but that it was "due to what they say", that Moses had such constriction on his heart.

And the verses with Moses shows Mohammad also never had a psychological weakness or anything, but that, his heart was straightened and constrained by what people were saying.

It was due to the circumstances they were both in that such constraint took place.

The relief of this burden weighing heavily on their backs, strengthening them and their affair, was through the conception of succession in Islam.

Why didn't Moses say yes I can do it, but right away realized he needed a helper to convey better? Again, not due to lack of confidence or ability to convey or speak, but the circumstances.

So this is one of the themes in Quran and shows wisdom with respect to succession.

And while Aaron name appears 20 times in Quran (Suratal Taha is 20th Surah as well), his name beside Moses appears exactly twelve times.

To emphasize more on this:

By the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Have We not expanded for you your breast, 1And taken off from you your burden, 2Which pressed heavily upon your back, 3And exalted for you your esteem? 4Surely with difficulty is ease. 5With difficulty is surely ease. 6So when you are free, set. 7And make your Lord your exclusive object. 8


The 6th verse is an allusion to the name Seth and in the same way he was set by God and Adam (a), Mohammad (s) is to set his successor. Keeping in mind the prayer of Musa (a) with Haroun (a), "the name of God" is also an allusion to that Ali (a) is that like Samuel (a) means name of God.

Seth (a) and Samuel (a) names don't appear in the Quran in Hebrew form but can be said to be alluded here in this chapter.
 

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Also, linked with this (posted this way later in the thread though):

Salam

By the name of God.. can seem as a formality or it can take meaning per every verse.


In the case of Surah Taha, it can be saying...

"By the name of God, the Compassionate (all), the Compassionate (extensively) Taha. We did not reveal you the recitation to be miserable. It is only a reminder for who fears."

That can be that Taha is not addressing the Nabi, but description of the "the name of God" of which one of the instances or descriptions is Taha. The Surah then emphasizes on Haroun (a) "Associate him in my affair".

And so Ali (a) paired with Quran who is like Haroun (a) to Musa (a) and being revealed with the Quran and in the Quran and by the Quran, is highly eloquent.

The Surah is obviously linked to Surah Inshirah, which suggests again Ali (a) is established by the Sunnah but also is found in the Quran.

This can be saying, Taha who is to you like Haroun (a) to Musa (a), is revealed with the Quran as one of God's Names, not to impose hardship and misery, but that you like Musa (a) prayed for relief on the knot on his tongue and widening his heart, to be a relief for you as well.

This Surah with Surah Yaseen and Surah Saffat is huge indication, the 14 Sequences of mysterious letters (non-repeated counting) are about the Ahlulbayt (a).

Keeping this in mind, one of the most Shortest but perhaps the most eloquent of Quran is Surah Kawthar.

By the name of God, the Compassionate (all), the Compassionate (extensively) indeed we gave you the Abundance. So connect to your Lord and (ritually) Sacrifice. Indeed your enemy is who is cut off.

The Abundance is guidance in terms of light, personally Mohammad (s) is blessed, but his Nubuwa and Light is guidance... what does this have to be with offspring being cut off. It is said the Surah was revealed saying he doesn't have any sons so will be cut off and so you only have tolerate his religion till he dies then no one else to deal with.

The response is the connection through Fatima (a) is such that his light and guidance will continue in his offspring and that through Fatima (a) he has been given the abundance. Some people are the view Fatima (a) is the abundance, but my view, is that it refers to "name of God", that Fatima (a) is the name of God like Ali (a) and so because of this high station, like Mariam (a) connecting Isa (a) to Imran (a) and Dawood (a).. she is of this high station where she connects his offspring back to him and there will be chosen guides and successors in his offspring to continue his legacy and he won't be cut off from offspring and legacy in guidance in them.

The abundance then is Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) guidance and this the great blessings to humanity, Mohammad (s) is given for guidance of humanity.

This also shows his enemy will be able to forge such a legacy and that his enemies including fake Prophets will be cut off in terms of offspring continuing their legacy.

And this is thing about Quran. Every Surah is calculative with respect to whole Quran and has a unique place, though it might repeat what is found in other Surahs, it's repeating and paraphrasing the truth and guidance in many ways, is what makes it eloquent and high and exalted.

There is new aspects in every Surah but it's repeating the truth about God's Name and guidance is what makes it beautiful.

The station connecting others to God of Mohammad (s) and destroying the dark desire and slitting the throat of caprice is a station that Fatima (a) and rest of his family (a) occupy as well.

It can be said each Surah begins with "the name of God..." and expands on it and Surah Tawbah although doesn't mention it in start, alludes to it later discussing the four luminaries of twelve luminaries who are "sacred" - and that being the upright religion.

The name of God is a parable of the tree of light and word of God, which is parable of Mohammad (s) and is family (a), the branches is talked about in this context. The pure word from God is like a pure tree.

In the Ziyarat of Ali (a) on birth of Nabi (a), we say to Imam Ali (a) "Peace be upon you o name of God that he is pleased with and his face that gives light" and also "Peace be upon you Taha and Yaseen"

This is found in same image I shared before:

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Audie

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The corruption of the Word of God is not that any words are effaced as there are always other copies to expose such fraud. The real corruption is in changing the meaning in a way that is not consistent with the original.

For example to promote terrorism is a form of corrupting the Quran because it is against pre meditated murder.

Perhaps its because you are so positive there is a god that you entirely missed what I actually said.

New religions pop up all over the world, every day. Over vthe centuries , who could guess how manu.

Every one of them is the Word of god. Everyone thinks they got the True one.

Thats what I mean by easily and often faked.

Of course the "word " gets corrupted.
It was corrupt from day one.
 
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