A ground-zero position when talking about the Bible

[Shadow Wolf]

There is a difference between "getting a cookie" and "stealing a cookie". When the cookie stealer, who enjoyed the adrenalin rush while stealing, eventually became a bank robber, became overweight, with diabetes, and came down with covid, and is using a ventilator, she is asking himself, would this have happened if I hadn't started my career by stealing cookies, and simply obeyed my mother. She would ask herself, if I had honored my mother, maybe I wouldn't have had an abortion, and consequently suffered constant depression, with bouts of confusion.

What your describing is far more clinical and pathological than some kid getting a cookie after mom said no. Seriously, I offered that as an example of to put in perspective of how gods punishments are for humans. But you took this to assume the absolute worst of the child.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

first thanks for the reply. second. well, the bible is God Holy Word. and it's his words spoken by his chosen apostles. so, are you saying you don't believe the Bible? yes or no.
PICJAG, 101G.

No.

 

[101G]

No.

if you believe the bible why not abide by it?
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

if you believe the bible why not abide by it?
PICJAG, 101G.

I don't believe it to be anything more than a book of stories and superstitions.

 

[rational experiences]

If science a man's thoughts first says O planet stone formed in space zero.

One space one zero.

In the same zero the planets gas heavens exists.

So he says one only.

As a gas is one type of gas and water is one type water I wonder if science theists places one in lots of positions that is not just a one of?

As a thinker.

 

[2ndpillar]

What your describing is far more clinical and pathological than some kid getting a cookie after mom said no. Seriously, I offered that as an example of to put in perspective of how gods punishments are for humans. But you took this to assume the absolute worst of the child.

Bank robbers are either a product of nature or environment. The child was either born a bank robber, or he was raised in such a manner to become one. Letting a child steal at an early age is problematic. A little early law and order might just prevent a lot of later life law and order, as well as an early death. The commandment reads: "Honor your father and they mother; that thy days may be long upon the land". A little discipline goes a long way.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Bank robbers are either a product of nature or environment. The child was either born a bank robber, or he was raised in such a manner to become one. Letting a child steal at an early age is problematic. A little early law and order might just prevent a lot of later life law and order, as well as an early death. The commandment reads: "Honor your father and they mother; that thy days may be long upon the land". A little discipline goes a long way.

I know a bank robber. He wasn't born that way. He wasn't raised that way. No, his mom became very ill and they needed money for her treatment. So in an act of desperation (that shocked everyone who knows him) and love for his mother he robbed a bank for the money.
Now, how about you quit assuming this hypocritical child in my scenario is going to grow up to be a terrible person.
But I suppose the Christian religion excels at assuming the worst about people. Even a hypothetical child can't be a mere child without nefarious intent and a criminal future being read into it. And all it is is a child too young to comprehend delayed gratification.

 

[2ndpillar]

I know a bank robber. He wasn't born that way. He wasn't raised that way. No, his mom became very ill and they needed money for her treatment. So in an act of desperation (that shocked everyone who knows him) and love for his mother he robbed a bank for the money.
Now, how about you quit assuming this hypocritical child in my scenario is going to grow up to be a terrible person.
But I suppose the Christian religion excels at assuming the worst about people. Even a hypothetical child can't be a mere child without nefarious intent and a criminal future being read into it. And all it is is a child too young to comprehend delayed gratification.

Apparently, the bank robber wasn't raised to not rob banks. One has to wonder; how many cookies did the robber abscond with as a child without being caught. Children are apparently smarter than you think. Very small children can't walk or reach the cookie jar. You have to worry about the bigger ones with intrigue in their minds. Most children of liberals will just cry to get the cookie, and later become liberal whiners, who wind up stealing more than bank robbers.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Apparently, the bank robber wasn't raised to not rob banks. One has to wonder; how many cookies did the robber abscond with as a child without being caught. Children are apparently smarter than you think. Very small children can't walk or reach the cookie jar. You have to worry about the bigger ones with intrigue in their minds. Most children of liberals will just cry to get the cookie, and later become liberal whiners, who wind up stealing more than bank robbers.

He wasn't raised that way. This was an act of desperation to help his mom. That's not even the same motives that theft typically revolves around.
And you know what they say about priest kids and cop kids? They're the worst.
And why do you keep assuming the worst? That does reflect on your character.

 

[2ndpillar]

He wasn't raised that way. This was an act of desperation to help his mom. That's not even the same motives that theft typically revolves around.
And you know what they say about priest kids and cop kids? They're the worst.
And why do you keep assuming the worst? That does reflect on your character.

Becoming a "bank robber" is a "worst", next to shooting someone during the robbery. In general, most "bank robbers" are "desperate" men or women, and in very few instances are they "raised that way". Apparently his "human" "empathy" didn't help the situation. Is the mother and society better off from her son robbing a bank, apart from you, using it as a prop for your position of godless lawlessness?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Becoming a "bank robber" is a "worst", next to shooting someone during the robbery. In general, most "bank robbers" are "desperate" men or women, and in very few instances are they "raised that way". Apparently his "human" "empathy" didn't help the situation. Is the mother and society better off from her son robbing a bank, apart from you, using it as a prop for your position of godless lawlessness?

Wow. Way to twist things around. A guy tried to save his mother and you want to focus it being all bad and assume I support lawlessness.

 

[2ndpillar]

Wow. Way to twist things around. A guy tried to save his mother and you want to focus it being all bad and assume I support lawlessness.

Apparently, you are against some child obeying her mother, the 5th Commandment (the Law), which in the long run can lead to death and destruction. How well did it go for her in "saving" her mother? What kind of extra strain did that put on a sick person? Stealing during childhood, probably doesn't end well.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Apparently, you are against some child obeying her mother, the 5th Commandment (the Law), which in the long run can lead to death and destruction. How well did it go for her in "saving" her mother? What kind of extra strain did that put on a sick person? Stealing during childhood, probably doesn't end well.

In reality many mothers and fathers are not deserving of being honored. It's very situational. Sometimes they are so undeserving that child services must step in to protect the children from abuse.

 

[2ndpillar]

In reality many mothers and fathers are not deserving of being honored. It's very situational. Sometimes they are so undeserving that child services must step in to protect the children from abuse.

Hey, wait a minute. According to the bank robber's story, she was willing to kill or be killed in a bank robbery because she wanted to "save" her mother. Well, it is possible that the mother was a witch, but apparently, the mother couldn't have been that bad. On the other hand, the robber dishonored herself, her mother, and her community. I don't think the bank robber was saving his siblings from their mother according to your original story. If she thought her mother was a no-good hypocrite, she could do what most rebellious kids do, dye their hair pink, get a tattoo, and get a nose ring. Whatever the kid does, good or bad, it will come home to roost. Any mother who limits sugary products to their kids is probably trying to do well for their children. This theoretical kid, stole cookies, got obese, got diabetes, robbed a bank, got covid, and will probably die. I don't see the upside to stealing cookies.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hey, wait a minute. According to the bank robber's story, she was willing to kill or be killed in a bank robbery because she wanted to "save" her mother. Well, it is possible that the mother was a witch, but apparently, the mother couldn't have been that bad. On the other hand, the robber dishonored herself, her mother, and her community. I don't think the bank robber was saving his siblings from their mother according to your original story. If she thought her mother was a no-good hypocrite, she could do what most rebellious kids do, dye their hair pink, get a tattoo, and get a nose ring. Whatever the kid does, good or bad, it will come home to roost. Any mother who limits sugary products to their kids is probably trying to do well for their children. This theoretical kid, stole cookies, got obese, got diabetes, robbed a bank, got covid, and will probably die. I don't see the upside to stealing cookies.

It must take a special disgust in humans to assume the worst in everyone, even children. I'm a misanthrope, but not even I assume future criminal behaviors and poor diets over a common hypothetical scenario involving a child who just wants a cookie.

 

[2ndpillar]

It must take a special disgust in humans to assume the worst in everyone, even children. I'm a misanthrope, but not even I assume future criminal behaviors and poor diets over a common hypothetical scenario involving a child who just wants a cookie.

If the child just wanted a cookie, he could ask for one. Instead, he apparently stole his cookies, and went on to rob a bank. If you are a "misanthrope", and hate people, why do care about the bank robber's mother? Robbing a bank is not going to be helpful for anyone in large, including someone's mother. The one to gain in the short term, is the bank robber. A true "misanthrope" would question the motives of everyone, including that of a bank robber.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the child just wanted a cookie, he could ask for one. Instead, he apparently stole his cookies, and went on to rob a bank. If you are a "misanthrope", and hate people, why do care about the bank robber's mother? Robbing a bank is not going to be helpful for anyone in large, including someone's mother. The one to gain in the short term, is the bank robber. A true "misanthrope" would question the motives of everyone, including that of a bank robber.

I worked with the guy. I don't have to question his motives because he told some of us.

 

[sojourner]

GINOLJC, to all.

Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him." Psalms 12:6 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." Psalms 119:140 "Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it."
these words of God will be nothing to the hearer unless they are taught by the Holy Spirit, God himself. We have an anointing, scripture, 1 John 2:20 "But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things." and the reason, 1 John 2:26 "These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you." 1 John 2:27 "But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
]if one is in JESUS, the Christ, he is taught of God.... "ALL THINGS. 1 Corinthians 2:12 "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God." 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

so the bottom line, read the bible with our TEACHER, the Holy Spirit, and EVERY WORD IN THE BIBLE IS ALL ONE NEED. for the Holy Spirit will Give Revelation to every scripture. in the bible.
hope that help.
PICJAG, 101G.

First of all, everything here is taken out of context. Second, which canon do you refer to? Because there are many more sacred texts than the 66 you probably ascribe to.

 

[David Young]

There is no part of the Bible which refers to the Bible.

Whatever later groups decided to call their canon of sacred writings, any word they take from that canon in order to do so was referring to something else in its original context.

 

[101G]

First of all, everything here is taken out of context. Second, which canon do you refer to? Because there are many more sacred texts than the 66 you probably ascribe to.

First thanks for the reply, it's not a matter of canon of sacred writings, nor any translation, but this, John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."
and in guiding us in all truth, he will teach us. 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." Corinthians 2:14 "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:15 "But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man." 1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."
understand the word of God is not INK and PAPER, just to read, no, it's in our hearts the revelation of Jesus the christ. no paper/canon/ink, or translation can hold the KNOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING of God.... LISTEN TO ME.... years ago, and I mean many years ago, the Holy Spirit revealed the meaning to me of this scripture, which is one of the keys to my understanding of God. 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
when one study God word, it is not to LEARN GOD .... no, studying, as the scripture states shows God that you're INTRESTED in him, for only God can reveal himself to us, and it's not through our studying his word, but his REVELATION of HIMSELF in our studying of him. yes, I burned the midnight oil, and meditated day and NIGHT, yes, at night too, but education alone will not reveal God, this is why we need the "COMFORTER", for he will Guide us in what we are reading, not my interpretation nor yours or anyone's else, but only his. see, education is Good, get it if one can, but just don't put your education ahead of God. there is nothing wrong with education, it's what's one do with it. now, in God's teaching, all "context" of scriptures are clarified. so with his lead... one will never go wrong. I trust God fully. he reveals to me something new Just about every day, and it can be about a scripture that I may have read many of times. so for me there is no hard or unanswered question I have any more concering His Holy Word. now STOP, do I know everything about God? no, I will not tell that lie. but what I do know that I will speak and speak only, I will share with my brothers and sisters in hope something may be revealed unto them.
now, even though I might use the (kjv) of the bible exclusively, (which the Comforter have given me inside information on what to look for). I do look at other translation for either confirmation, or total rejection of them, as well as other book and writings. and let me say this, not all books in a connon is of God. and one more thing, listen closly. now hear me out, "Not everything, let me say this again, not everything spoken in the bible is a TRUTH, but everything in the bible is truly stated..... did you understand what i just said? ..... this is why the proverb is written, Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
the Lord Jesus said, John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." did you get that revelation irself? .... (smile), if not read John 5:39 again.
see this verse alone eliminates what you asked about, "Because there are many more sacred texts than the 66 you probably ascribe to.", just read John 5:39 again, and ask the Holy Spirit, the COMFORTER for the Revelation.
be Blessed,
PICJAG, 101G.