Trump's strong support / Democrats' lack of support, by white women

[Wildswanderer]

This doesn't address anything I said in that post.

Lah, lah, lah, let's just ignore the evidence.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The above is just a feeble attempt to dodge what you have been doing here as you continually have supported Trump over and over and over again.

Nope. I've consistently said I don't like him personally. But I don't vote for personality.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You gotta be kidding! Mandates are not intrinsically "tyranny", much like having a mandate to pay taxes

Our forefathers also saw excessive taxes as tyranny.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Lah, lah, lah, let's just ignore the evidence.

Huh? You were the one responding to me post without addressing anything within it.

But thanks for reminding me how difficult you make it to converse with you.
Try to stay on topic, mkay?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Huh? You were the one responding to me post without addressing anything within it.

But thanks for reminding me how difficult you make it to converse with you.
Try to stay on topic, mkay?

And just ignore the fact that there was indeed a huge conspiracy by the left to influence the election. Gotcha.

 

[F1fan]

I never blindly support anyone. I don't even care for the man. That doesn't make Biden a better choice.

Actually if you are well informed on trump and his actions as a private person and as president by contrast Biden is vastly better. There's only a handful of people in politics that would be worse than trump, and they are all the most extreme and dangerous republicans.

Biden wasn't the most glamorous of the nominees, but he's a moderate and experienced, and is the right guy to get government rebuilt after 4 years of corruption and a disintegrating government.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And just ignore the fact that there was indeed a huge conspiracy by the left to influence the election. Gotcha.

Yeah, there wasn't.

That is just Facebook/OAN/Newsmax/Fox conspiracy nonsense.

Which brings me back to the point I was making ... Nobody who has claimed that this has taken place has managed to provide any evidence for it whatsoever. INCLUDING Rudy Giuliani and all of Trump's minions who spent months and months telling us that had a ton of evidence which they never, ever bothered to share with anyone. 60+ Court cases later and NOTHING. Trump's lawyer Sidney Powell (remember her?) when pressed on it recently had to admit that she had NO EVIDENCE and is currently being sued for her lies.
And yet people like you still cling to this idea that the election was stolen. Why? I guess because that's what you want to believe. I don't know.

 

[F1fan]

Our forefathers also saw excessive taxes as tyranny.

No, the issue was taxation without representation.

More evidence that right wingers don't know our history. How embarrassing.

 

[ecco]

I guess you are OK with policies that lead to illnesses and deaths for children.

Endorsing deliberately killing children while complaining about some getting sick just strikes me as silly.

You can continue to use the fear factor that abortions kill children. That doesn't make you look honest or ethical.

You are either choosing to intentionally ignore the fact that children are dying from Covid, or you are ignorant of the current status of the impact of the pandemic. Neither alternative puts you in a good light.




ETA: I'm not endorsing abortion. I'm endorsing and supporting the right of a woman to make the decision as provided by the Constitution and confirmed by the Supreme Court. Those rights are the law of the land. Don't you endorse obeying the laws of the land?

 

[Kooky]

Nope. I've consistently said I don't like him personally. But I don't vote for personality.

Why did you vote for him, then?

 

[Kooky]

I think you quoted from my post but attributed it to @F1fan.

But if you're suggesting that the wealthy have an unfair advantage over the working class in the electoral process, I agree. That kind of proves my point, actually, as it would suggest that if Democrats really were pro-worker, they'd lose a lot of support from the luxury classes.

They don't just have an unfair advantage in the electoral process, but in every single area of political decisionmaking, to the point where the electoral process de facto has a minimal influence on national policy. I would argue that this is rooted in the economic and discoursive structures of a modern media democracy, where people will ultimately talk about the issues they have been made aware of via traditional and social media, and so media has an outsized influence on what issues are being talked about, which issues are being recognized as mainstream, sensible, achievable etc., and which issues are decisive in the electoral process.

Because of the dualistic and centralized nature of US media (and because controversy and divisive issues generally make for better stories), I would argue that US electioneering, therefore, strongly favors issues promoted at the national level, and here specifically wedge issues that garner controversy and divisiveness.

We have observed time and time again that issues with widespread popular support (such as public healthcare) tend to get completely overshadowed by more divisive ones that can galvanize partisan support, and I would argue that for this reason, broadly pro-labor movements haven't been able to catch on, and seem to be frequently displaced by more partisan discourse that takes the guise of labor outrage but factually only really serves as a vehicle to garner support for one of the billionaire factions.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Actually if you are well informed on trump and his actions as a private person and as president by contrast Biden is vastly better. There's only a handful of people in politics that would be worse than trump, and they are all the most extreme and dangerous republicans.

Biden wasn't the most glamorous of the nominees, but he's a moderate and experienced, and is the right guy to get government rebuilt after 4 years of corruption and a disintegrating government.

Lol, rotfl! He's totally useless as a politician in any context let alone as president.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Why did you vote for him, then?

Because I agree with more of his policies than other side.

 

[Wildswanderer]

ETA: I'm not endorsing abortion. I'm endorsing and supporting the right of a woman to make the decision as provided by the Constitution and confirmed by the Supreme Court. Those rights are the law of the land

That depends on the laws. I don't endorse obeying blindly.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That can happen either way. Literally the only reason to take the vaccine is the claim that it makes covid less severe. And I expect that to be proven wrong any day now.

It's already been demonstrated to reduce the severity of COVID and to reduce the spread as well.
Several times over. It ain't gonna be "proven wrong any day now."

Literally the only reason to get the vaccine is to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death ... And you think that's a bad thing? Dude, your priorities are messed up. Please don't bother trying to tell me that you're pro-life when you clearly aren't.


I'd suggest putting down the Fox "News."

 

[metis]

Nope. I've consistently said I don't like him personally. But I don't vote for personality.

We covered this already and you again substituted "personality" for "character", thus it seems that things like dishonesty and adultery are not important to you.

Please tell, does character count at all? If not, are any basic Judeo-Christian teachings that are important to you? I mentioned that they count with me, thus I have voted against some in both parties because of moral considerations, plus I felt that some should have resigned in both parties.

 

[Wildswanderer]

It's already been demonstrated to reduce the severity of COVID and to reduce the spread as well.
Several times over. It ain't gonna be "proven wrong any day now."

Literally the only reason to get the vaccine is to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death ... And you think that's a bad thing? Dude, your priorities are messed up. Please don't bother trying to tell me that you're pro-life when you clearly aren't.


I'd suggest putting down the Fox "News."

I don't watch news channels.

 

[Wildswanderer]

We covered this already and you again substituted "personality" for "character", thus it seems that things like dishonesty and adultery are not important to you.

Please tell, does character count at all? If not, are any basic Judeo-Christian teachings that are important to you? I mentioned that they count with me, thus I have voted against some in both parties because of moral considerations, plus I felt that some should have resigned in both parties.

Yes, that's why I voted third party the first time around rather then vote for Trump or Hillary. But on the last election I could see the only way to keep tyranny at bay was to re elect Trump. And I was right.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't watch news channels.

You don't address points either, apparently.

 

[metis]

Actually the vaccine doesn't stop the virus, so what is pro life about getting it?
Not to mention the numerous reports of serious side effects.

You are totally clueless about the vaccines. The largest hospital system here in Michigan reported yesterday that only 1% of e.r. patients at this time are vaccinated. Even though the virus can still be spread with the vaccinated, the vaccine enables the body to fight the virus more quickly to lessen the chances of spread.

I am shocked that you know so little about this and yet are so willing to make up complete unadulterated nonsense. Unbelievable, and oh so pathetic.