Most Americans now accept evolution.

[PoetPhilosopher]

I don't know ...maybe if I had received the same education as you, I would have never believed in Evolution.
I don't know whether and how much my teachers brainwashed me.
Which is interesting...it might make reflect about the role the school plays

Sounds like you believe the end doesn't justify the means - which is okay. A lot of people don't.

Even if I were to call Evolution a 'scientific theory', I actually consider it a bit more substantial than that.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

Just because the majority agrees with something, doesnt mean its right. Just because the secularists have managed to spread their propaganda in schools, doesnt mean the evolution theory is right, remember evolution is just that, a theory. Several christian apologists managed to expose this fraudulent theory. Yet atheists wont listen. True science, is creation science.

 

[Clara Tea]

https://www.ksby.com/news/national/evolution-now-accepted-by-majority-of-americans-study-finds

A promising shift, albeit still an embarrassing percentage. Of course, most conservatives still appear to be screeching, flailing, and tossing their feces at science.
Your thoughts?

Tossing feces?....Thereby proving evolution.

 

[Clara Tea]

Just because the majority agrees with something, doesn't mean its right. Just because the secularists have managed to spread their propaganda in schools, doesn't mean the evolution theory is right, remember evolution is just that, a theory. Several christian apologists managed to expose this fraudulent theory. Yet atheists wont listen. True science, is creation science.

Point: most people would agree that a majority doesn't make it right. Which, of course, doesn't make the point right.

DNA is accepted as proof in court (and for good reason). It absolutely proves evolution. Evolution has been accepted by two recent popes (maintaining lies in the face of proof, even if lying for Jesus, is morally wrong).

Theists dabbling in science, without adequate credentials, use science incorrectly. They use it to prove their religion, even though real science opposes them. Most theists don't have the scientific background to understand, nor do they want to try to understand.

Scientists don't have an agenda to prove evolution. They dispassionately look at the data and facts and reach a conclusion that is rock solid.

Though there have been many times that scientists were wrong and had to correct, evolution is not wrong. It is proven by DNA.

 

[Clara Tea]

It would be considered a great honor and privilege to be ridiculed according to my former beliefs. Jesus said the world will persecute his followers, and it developed in them a nasty martyrdom complex, where they desire martyrdom and think anything and everything that doesn't align completely congruent with their beliefs is persecution.

Well said. They think that others are taking away their religion. For example, if they are not allowed to teach creationism in schools and lead prayers to their God, in their religion in schools, they think that this restricts their freedom to practice religion.

They might have a point that evolution is a belief about how we came to be. Yet, it is a very firmly proven belief (a fact, actually).

 

[Clara Tea]

I don't know ...maybe if I had received the same education as you, I would have never believed in Evolution.
I don't know whether and how much my teachers brainwashed me.
Which is interesting...it might make reflect about the role the school plays

If you would never have believed evolution, what is the harm of teaching it?

School is for science, church (on the Sabbath (Saturday or Sunday)) is for religion. Both can coexist. Certainly school kids are familiar with both theories.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

Point: most people would agree that a majority doesn't make it right. Which, of course, doesn't make the point right.

DNA is accepted as proof in court (and for good reason). It absolutely proves evolution. Evolution has been accepted by two recent popes (maintaining lies in the face of proof, even if lying for Jesus, is morally wrong).

Theists dabbling in science, without adequate credentials, use science incorrectly. They use it to prove their religion, even though real science opposes them. Most theists don't have the scientific background to understand, nor do they want to try to understand.

Scientists don't have an agenda to prove evolution. They dispassionately look at the data and facts and reach a conclusion that is rock solid.

Though there have been many times that scientists were wrong and had to correct, evolution is not wrong. It is proven by DNA.

There are big issues with evolution being true for the church. First of all it completely contradicts the bible, with Adam and Eve. And it cannot be a simple metaphor, why would it be a metaphor? Then, if the world is really that old, and the secular scientists are right, then it means the whole biblical story is wrong. Do the popes even realize that?

And then we have the issue with the souls, if we originated from animals, then what about our souls? Then theres no soul.

So catholicism deconstructs itself.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

If you would never have believed evolution, what is the harm of teaching it?

School is for science, church (on the Sabbath (Saturday or Sunday)) is for religion. Both can coexist. Certainly school kids are familiar with both theories.

No, modern secular science hates religion, it fights religion, the same people say homosexuals should have equal rights, and be able to marry, this is inacceptable in the eyes of God.

 

[Secret Chief]

https://www.ksby.com/news/national/evolution-now-accepted-by-majority-of-americans-study-finds

A promising shift, albeit still an embarrassing percentage. Of course, most conservatives still appear to be screeching, flailing, and tossing their feces at science.
Your thoughts?

I assumed it would be 51%, so a lot more impressive than I expected. I imagine once a national education system fit for the 21st century is in place the percentage will go up dramatically. Theocracy and science make poor bedfellows.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

I assumed it would be 51%, so a lot more impressive than I expected. I imagine once a national education system fit for the 21st century is in place the percentage will go up dramatically. Theocracy and science make poor bedfellows.

Whats so bad about "theocracy" as you say? Secularism means a hedonistic, lawless society, a society without any morals whatsover, where we kill babies, and sexual immorality has no consequences, a world where greed and profit is what matters.

Basically the world of the antichrist, the antichrist system

 

[Secret Chief]

Whats so bad about "theocracy" as you say? Secularism means a hedonistic, lawless society, a society without any morals whatsover, where we kill babies, and sexual immorality has no consequences, a world where greed and profit is what matters.

Basically the world of the antichrist, the antichrist system

I guess the Taliban want a theocracy.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

I guess the Taliban want a theocracy.

Well i want a theonomic state, not a full blown theocracy, but a state based on biblical law. The biggest mistake was to legalize homosexuality, and sex before marriage, abortion and contraception.

 

[Secret Chief]

Well i want a theonomic state, not a full blown theocracy, but a state based on biblical law. The biggest mistake was to legalize homosexuality, and sex before marriage, abortion and contraception.

Which state do you live in?

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

Which state do you live in?

Im not an American.

 

[Secret Chief]

Im not an American.

Why say that? I'm just wondering which country you live in. I'm British, and born in Britain.

 

[JesusistheonlyWay99]

Why say that? I'm just wondering which country you live in. I'm British, and born in Britain.

Im Swiss, and Switzerland is as secular as it gets. Im pretty much a "crazy" for people in my countries. But why would i care? Gods law is more important of that of man

 

[shunyadragon]

Well i want a theonomic state, not a full blown theocracy, but a state based on biblical law. The biggest mistake was to legalize homosexuality, and sex before marriage, abortion and contraception.

Biblical Law??? Including laws regulating and allowing slavery??? The Biblical Laws include a lot more than your selective laws you want.

We live in a religiously, cultural and lifestyle today, that may be punishable severely even execution under ancient tribal laws of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

 

[Brickjectivity]

And it cannot be a simple metaphor, why would it be a metaphor?

Not a metaphor. It is part of the books of the Law (Genesis through Deuteronomy), which you should become familiar with (along with Psalms) in order to interpret the story. You can benefit as a Christian from this exercise, but simply viewing this book as a creation of planet Earth both reduces its value to near nothing and also overlooks its real value. Consider the story of Noah which says that Noah's son found him naked. Unless you read the law you don't know what it means for him to be found naked, because its a figure of speech from the law. Genesis is part of the law, one of the 5 books of the law.

Then, if the world is really that old, and the secular scientists are right, then it means the whole biblical story is wrong.

No I don't agree. Generally in Psalms 'Earth' refers to Israel and not all land everywhere, and that is likely what it means in Genesis as well. Suppose that you stopped thinking about your bible today and stopped asking questions about it? That would be counterproductive, right? That is what you may actually be doing when you insist it can only be an account of the creation of our planet.

There are big issues with evolution being true for the church. First of all it completely contradicts the bible, with Adam and Eve.

If it is merely an account of the creation of this physical world then that reduces the story to nothing but an account of the physical world. This undoes rather than supports. It is much more meaningful to recognize that the story is more than that. I think that you are reducing the story rather than supporting it. I think you are throwing away its importance rather than holding onto its importance.

And then we have the issue with the souls, if we originated from animals, then what about our souls? Then theres no soul.

This is possible, but not necessarily the case. Also let scripture tell you what souls are -- not you tell scripture.

 

[shunyadragon]

Just because the majority agrees with something, doesnt mean its right. Just because the secularists have managed to spread their propaganda in schools, doesnt mean the evolution theory is right, remember evolution is just that, a theory. Several christian apologists managed to expose this fraudulent theory. Yet atheists wont listen. True science, is creation science.

Actually at present the majority of Americans are Christians, and 40-45%+ of Americans believe in a Biblical, and none of this makes it right, whether the majority or not.

Evolution is based on modern science and factual based on 'objective verifiable evidence' as opposed to ancient tribal mythology in ancient scripture without science.

I am not an atheist and I believe in God and a scientist and geologist with over fifty years education and experience. You cannot blame atheists, because modern science, a universe billions of years old and evolution is NOT based on atheism.It is based on very real objective science.

 

[shunyadragon]

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And it cannot be a simple metaphor, why would it be a metaphor?

There are Biblical metaphors, but Creation Genesis and the Laws of Deuteronomy and the rest of the Bible are not metaphors it represents an ancient tribal and cultural view of the nature of our physical existence, and God.