Spiritual warning against eating meat

[Gargovic Malkav]

Our diet has nothing to do with self-defence. We threaten them with habitat loss and poaching, amongst others.
Predators "prefer" herbivores because that is how the food chain works, the herbivores are the prey.

I'm not judging you for being a vegetarian if that's what it felt like.
I'm just looking at today's trends and try to imagine of what the world of tomorrow might look like.
Sometimes I express this.

 

[Viker]

This is probably a supplementary part of Godwin's Law

I knew that was going to happen. I kinda predicted it in another thread.

 

[Valjean]

That's what happens when people try to keep everything alive for as long as possible.
I wonder if wild animals are more likely to eat us once we've all become vegetarians as they will slowly learn we're no longer a threat to them.
Besides that, many predators seem to have a preference for herbivores because their meat is more nutritious.

More nutritious? How so?
No longer a threat? So we should continue eating animals to teach them respect?

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

More nutritious? How so?
No longer a threat? So we should continue eating animals to teach them respect?

You do what you think is right.
I'll do the same.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Vast majority of soy products (75 to 77%) go towards cattle and poultry feed. It'd be more sustainable for it to go directly to humans.

Industrial agriculture is the problem in the first place, so going vegan isn't going to help with environmental destruction and habitat loss to make way for monocrop farms. So soy farming itself tends to be bad.

 

[Valjean]

You mean you feel guilty about eating any kind of meat?

I don't feel bad about eating meat, but I don't like the way it is produced in many industries with no consideration for the well-being of the animal at all.

I agree, but doesn't killing even a humanely raised animal as soon as it reaches marketable size a consideration in its wel-being?

 

[Secret Chief]

I'm not judging you for being a vegetarian if that's what it felt like.
I'm just looking at today's trends and try to imagine of what the world of tomorrow might look like.
Sometimes I express this.

Fear not. Carry on.

 

[RestlessSoul]

You mean you feel guilty about eating any kind of meat?

I don't feel bad about eating meat, but I don't like the way it is produced in many industries with no consideration for the well-being of the animal at all.

Yeah, I don't really feel bad about eating animals that have been well cared for, and slaughtered humanely. That said, I think I could eventually cut meat out of my diet and not really miss it. So it's sort of a long term aim, but I don't live on my own so it's not just me.

 

[Secret Chief]

We could hunt-gather each other. Like in Hunger Games just with more cannibalism.

I could soon rustle up a shopping list.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is this an option for a world population of nearly 8 billion... hunter-gatherers...?

I'd rather let everyone have a bit of land (even if communally owned like community food gardens in urban areas) where they can keep some smaller animals for food and milk (such as chickens, goats and pigs) and grow some herbs, fruits and veggies. It would be great for communities to band together and do this. Definitely help regain our lost community in our atomized societies. It would also educate people about a variety of subjects and provide a strong connection to, and reason to care about, their community and the land. Less reliance on grocery stores and other middle men.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I'd rather let everyone have a bit of land (even if communally owned like community food gardens in urban areas) where they can keep some smaller animals for food and milk (such as chickens, goats and pigs) and grow some herbs, fruits and veggies. It would be great for communities to band together and do this. Definitely help regain our lost community in our atomized societies.

I can definitely vouch for the improvement to my own quality of life, that comes having a small allotment in a city of 8 million + people.

 

[Valjean]

Industrial agriculture is the problem in the first place, so going vegan isn't going to help with environmental destruction and habitat loss to make way for monocrop farms. So soy farming itself tends to be bad.

Good point.
Compare the ratio of "food we eat" land usage to "cows, livestock feed" &al

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I can definitely vouch for the improvement to my own quality of life, that comes having a small allotment in a city of 8 million + people.

Indeed. You don't need much space for this stuff. You can grow in backyards, rooftops, etc. Even the animals I mentioned don't require huge amounts of space.

 

[Valjean]

We're feeding most of our food to cows!

 

[Link]

So Quran says "so let them bring their hearing with proof". What's your proof either you heard this or that the spirit that told you is trustworthy and a guide?

 

[Valjean]

I'd rather let everyone have a bit of land (even if communally owned like community food gardens in urban areas) where they can keep some smaller animals for food and milk (such as chickens, goats and pigs) and grow some herbs, fruits and veggies. It would be great for communities to band together and do this. Definitely help regain our lost community in our atomized societies. It would also educate people about a variety of subjects and provide a strong connection to, and reason to care about, their community and the land. Less reliance on grocery stores and other middle men.

Socialist! Communard!

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

I agree, but doesn't killing even a humanely raised animal as soon as it reaches marketable size a consideration in its wel-being?

Is your phrase formulated incorrectly or do I have an attention problem, because I don't understand what you're trying to ask..?

 

[Valjean]

So Quran says "so let them bring their hearing with proof". What's your proof either you heard this or that the spirit that told you is trustworthy and a guide?

I usually regret actions I take whilst under the influence of spirits.

 

[Windwalker]

Your claim that "God made us" to eat meat is questionable, but I do agree we're natural omnivores. We'd never have made it through the Pleistocene as herbivores.
Canines? 'Tear'?

Carnivores have loooong canines in a protruding snout. They can pierce and grip.
Hominin canines are no longer than the surrounding teeth, and our faces are flat. Our canines can neither slice, like incisors, not grind, like molars. They're the most useless teeth in our mouths.

They got shorter. We still have tails, but they're tiny now, like our fangs. Vampires are the only humans still with those long fangs, but we still have them. They aren't completely flat yet, unlike Vampires who still need them to puncture holes in our necks.

Human's evolved to process food largely outside the body, with hands, tools and fire.

That's true. Considering our teeth were getting shorter, we needed to cook the meat first in order to survive. Necessity is the mother of invention, as they say.

Nature selected all sorts of violent and tribal behavior in our species. This doesn't make it desirable, utilitarian, or even moral, today.

Our psychology was well adapted to the hunting-gathering lifestyle we lived through 99% of our history. In a modern, populous, diverse civilization, however, 'natural' is completely dysfunctional.

Our modern lifestyles are incompatible with our natural evolution. Sitting in chairs in front of a computer at a desk for 8 straight hours? We were not designed by nature for that. We need to get back to gathering nuts and berries for 3 hours a day in order to live, rather than torture ourselves for 8 hours for someone else.

I think this song perfectly captures our disconnect.

 

[Valjean]

Is your phrase formulated incorrectly or do I have an attention problem, because I don't understand what you're trying to ask..?

I'm agreeing that humane treatment is a moral good, but I'm questioning the slaughter, however humane, of a young animal with most of it's natural life ahead of it. Isn't this a theft of life? Would we tolerate this in humans? Why do animals have claim to humane treatment but no claim to life itself?
"Convenience makes right?"

If a race of bug-eyed-monsters arrived in their saucers and began humanely harvesting teenage
humans for food, what would your objection be?