What you post on the forum is on you. You offer us no evidence how to determine who is an authentic Messenger of God, nor how to distinguish one from a fraud.
It is not my job to do homework for other people.
You make claims to these things, we ask questions so you can show us you're telling us the truth. Your guru is irrelevant. You think he's credible, we don't. We need facts.
I presented the facts a long time ago and you said “that’s not evidence.”
We objective thinkers do. That's why we are not convinced by what you claim and post. When we explain our investigation doesn't back your claims you insist your evidence was good enough for a believer. That's why it fails. It needs to be good enough for objective thinkers.
What investigation? Objective thinkers that never even bother to look at the evidence?
Dude, knock yourself out. But as soon as you come into an open forum with diverse people you'd better be ready to listen and show your work. That you believe X is irrelevant. If you claim X is true then you have the burden to show it's true to objective thinkers.
I am not a dude but no matter. I have no burden to prove anything to anyone just because I have a belief. The burden is on people who want to believe something is true. It is called homework.
Most who respond to you explain how your beliefs aren't objective or rational, and you don't care. But then you make claims as if they are rational, so it indicates you don't listen or learn. [/quote]
Do you really think I care what other people think of me? Think again. Your constant criticism of me only make you look bad to good people, little do you know it.
What it essentially says is that we will never discover the truth for ourselves if we use the words and deeds of "other people" as a standard by which to understand God and His Prophets. In other words, we cannot measure truth according to what other people say, think or do.
Yet you do.
That just shows that you still did not understand the passage even after I posted it twice. I do not measure truth according to what other people say, think or do. I could not care less about what other people say, think or do. The Messengers and Prophets of God are not “other people.”
Who says? Do you know God?
It is called deductive reasoning. Why wouldn’t an omnipotent God do what He wants to do, what could stop Him from doing it? Have you seen God converting any atheists lately?
Because salesmen love to make the hardest sale.
God is not a salesman and God could not care less what people buy.
Let's note that believers don't know a God exists. They believe, and may be mistaken. So we cannot point to a single mortal who can honestly say they know a God exists.
I know, but how I know is not something you could ever understand.
Do you really think God cares if you believe in Him?
If a God were to exist it would have a duty to make itself known to the most skeptical. Why? Because skeptics cause the most trouble to theists and religions.
God has no duties to anyone, let alone skeptics and atheists. If they want to know He exists they have to do their own homework, just like everyone else. The evidence has been revealed by God but if you don’t like God's evidence that’s not God’s problem because God has no problems.
That’s beyond funny. Do you really think that skeptics and atheists bother me? No, they are my best source of entertainment and have been for years. Christians by contrast require more work to answer.
Who says? You keep telling us about God as if he's your neighbor and you BBQ every weekend together. But didn't you say that only Messengers can know God? And you said you aren't a Messenger. I don't want to call you a liar, but ......
I get all my information for Baha’u’llah and supplement that with logic and reason. Only humans and animals have needs. God has no needs because God is fully self-sufficient and fully self-sustaining.
Only if a God actually existed, and there are facts about it that could be observed. There aren't.
No, there is no reason to assume any facts could be observed, other than that is what you would like to see happen.
Assuming a God exists. And since assumptions don't leas to rational conclusions, your assertion here fails.
Nobody should assume that God exists before doing their homework. What I said about homework stands and it is unassailable. Ever try to get a college degree by asking the teacher to do your homework?
You've made a series of claims above. You referring to a God as if it's real, and as if you had direct, factual knowledge about it, are all claims. And since you cannot explain how you have this special knowledge, nor offer evidence for them, they are bad claims.
I make no claims. If I speak as if God is real that is because I believe God is real. I don’t have any direct knowledge about God, it all comes through Baha’u’llah.
I have not only explained how I have this special knowledge, I have told you where to find it about 100 times.
So you are a mindless agent, and you have no responsibility for what you post here?
I have gone above and beyond fulfilling my responsibility by explaining what I believe and why I believe it and pointing to the evidence. Do you see any other Baha’is taking this kind of time to explain all of this?
So you've decided you are correct despite a lack of credible evidence? That's called confirmation bias.
There is no lack of evidence. What you are doing is called projection. You don’t see any evidence so you assume nobody else does.
The evidence e you've given us is your best, yes? And objective thinkers consistently point out how exceptionally weak and subjective it is.
Objective thinkers.
Since you're not a Messenger yourself you must be deficient in some way, so maybe you're being duped. How would you know an actual messenger from a fraud since you don't have to tools to know differently?
I have the tools because God created me with innate intelligence. All I have to do is apply it to the evidence, it’s not that difficult.
You are certain without objectivity, and that is a dangerous mix. That's what every toxic dogma does through history.
Who said I don’t have objectivity? You are you to judge who is objective and not? Have you followed me around for the last 50 years? No, you just make assumptions based upon confirmation bias that extends to all believers. Believers cannot be objective because they are believers. I have never heard anything that biased and illogical.
Your beliefs are benign and don't seem to pose any threat. But i always worry about what people can do if they believe they have truth, and conflate personal belief to absolute knowledge.
Only God’s knowledge is absolute. I just believe the latest message that was revealed by God. My personal belief is either true or false. If true then there are certain implications for everyone, not just me.
