The Devil allows freedom of all false religions but not the true one.

[McBell]

And sexual corruption should not be allowed in public.

Since I strongly suspect that your idea of what is "sexual corruption" is vastly different from mine, how is it determined which should be allowed in public?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There are exceptions all the time. Should racism be allowed to be taught if there is people who believe that? I don't think so

Why not?

University and schools should not allow racism to be taught in my view.

Why not?

But religions should be allowed

And they are.

, and we should should be able to dialogue.

And you are.

And sexual corruption should not be allowed in public.

Depends what you mean by "sexual corruption".

 

[Link]

I am Shiite, I am saying I will tolerate a sunni government of one Muslim nation, despite differences we have about Shariah and sources of ahadith for it. Khomeini (God sanctify his secret) dream was this, he talked about how the Muslims need to go back to one nation, under one rule, and talked Sunni-Shia unity.

 

[Link]

Since I strongly suspect that your idea of what is "sexual corruption" is vastly different from mine, how is it determined which should be allowed in public?

In our case, it's the Quran and Sunnah that decides.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am peacefully opposing your governments.

I'm not convinced.

 

[Link]

By saying Sunni government, I'm saying, even though Shiism is important for me, it's more important for me Muslims govern themselves and we go back to one nation state.

 

[Link]

I'm not convinced.

Then bring proof of your accusations otherwise.

 

[McBell]

In our case, it's the Quran and Sunnah that decides.

You did not answer the question.
how is it determined which should be allowed in public?

See, in my house, it is my rules.
If you can not abide by my rules, you leave.
You do NOT get to come into my house and tell me I have to go along with your beliefs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

In our case, it's the Quran and Sunnah that decides.

That is in direct contradiction with your bluster about "freedom of religion".

If there is "freedom of religion", then that means that YOU don't get to impose YOUR religious rules on the rest of us.

Now you are saying that you wish to legislate YOUR religious rules and expect everyone else, who doesn't follow your religion, to be fine with it.

So what you really mean by "freedom of religion", sounds more like "as long as it is compatible with and submissive to MY religion".


How about freedom FROM religion?

Maybe I have a religion that celebrates life by engaging in gay sex.
Maybe such a ritual is considered holy and divine and mandatory in such religion.

You claimed that you think freedom of religion is really important.... So this would mean that I would be allowed to follow my religion and engage in all the rituals, mandatory and otherwise, that come with it, yes?

Do you see the hypocracy?

 

[Link]

You did not answer the question.
how is it determined which should be allowed in public?

See, in my house, it is my rules.
If you can not abide by my rules, you leave.
You do NOT get to come into my house and tell me I have to go along with your beliefs.

I already explained the answer. We elect a government, and they decide per their best ability through Quran and Sunnah. In Sunni government, you have to see their legislation reasons and we have see the ijtehad the government will make on this issue through Quran and Sunnah. If they are wrong, we hold them accountable, change it next government.

I don't know Sunni sources that much and how they legislate, so I can't answer in details what they will decide about this.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Then bring proof of your accusations otherwise.

I didn't say I have proof.
I said that I'm not convinced.


Your speech is overflown with pure hatred and intolerance.
Usually, that never ends peacefully.

 

[Link]

That is in direct contradiction with your bluster about "freedom of religion".

If there is "freedom of religion", then that means that YOU don't get to impose YOUR religious rules on the rest of us.

Now you are saying that you wish to legislate YOUR religious rules and expect everyone else, who doesn't follow your religion, to be fine with it.

So what you really mean by "freedom of religion", sounds more like "as long as it is compatible with and submissive to MY religion".


How about freedom FROM religion?

Maybe I have a religion that celebrates life by engaging in gay sex.
Maybe such a ritual is considered holy and divine and mandatory in such religion.

You claimed that you think freedom of religion is really important.... So this would mean that I would be allowed to follow my religion and engage in all the rituals, mandatory and otherwise, that come with it, yes?

Do you see the hypocracy?

Sexual corruption is not allowed in public, just as racism would not be allowed to be taught in public by a cult in high school for example. I hope I answered clearly.

 

[Link]

I didn't say I have proof.
I said that I'm not convinced.


Your speech is overflown with pure hatred and intolerance.
Usually, that never ends peacefully.

So you have no proof and accuse me. So you wish this to be the case for me, but have not believed it on any proof?

 

[McBell]

I already explained the answer. We elect a government, and they decide per their best ability through Quran and Sunnah. In Sunni government, you have to see their legislation reasons and we have see the ijtehad the government will make on this issue through Quran and Sunnah. If they are wrong, we hold them accountable, change it next government.

I don't know Sunni sources that much and how they legislate, so I can't answer in details what they will decide about this.

And what happens when the government selected is not the one you wanted selected?

 

[Link]

I have hatred, and I heal by tempering it with discipline. You have hatred and brings you to chaotic ways of uncontrolled desires, corruption, and oppressing others.

My hatred is for the sake of God and it's mixed with compassion and forbearance. But yours is on ignorance and smells bad.

 

[McBell]

I have hatred, and I heal by tempering it with discipline. You have hatred and brings you to chaotic ways of uncontrolled desires, corruption, and oppressing others.

You know nothing about me.
So how about you stop making a fool of yourself with all the baseless flat out lies about me?

 

[Link]

And what happens when the government selected is not the one you wanted selected?

It won't be. Shiites make minority of Muslims. I am willing to sacrifice even some rights we have, to implement the Muslim united government. For example, if they legislate (which they should not), not to curse any companion including Mauwiya, I won't do it (except in secret in my heart where no one has right to say no).

We are willing to compromise to unite Muslims and lift them away from their oppressors. I don't mind.

 

[Link]

You know nothing about me.
So how about you stop making a fool of yourself with all the baseless flat out lies about me?

Talking to the monster dude who said I am full of hatred.

 

[Link]

I created the thread of non-haters entering paradise:

Non-haters will enter paradise. | Religious Forums

 

[Shakeel]

Are you going to cite every incident so as to prove a point?

No. Why, do you need more to get the point?