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The Beginning of No Thing
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No, see the first law of thermodynamics.
A "thing" will decay to nothing but the atoms that formed the "thing" will still exist to be recycled. In this way we are all made up, to some extent, of dead people who have decayed to nothing
agreed but.......
atoms are made up of relational systems. they to can deteriorate. they to are created from deteriorated atoms that decayed to nothing.
so all things created become uncreated resolving to some other state of vibration.
Altfish
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But what you are describing would violate the 1st Law of Thermodynamics.
no it doesn't. it simply dissolves into the more basic sub-atom thingness
Altfish
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Which is "Something" so disproves the question raised by this thread
if there was a big bang, a moment when all was of one thing then there was no contrast for things. thus formless because to have form there has to be contrast
But nothing
Atoms are atoms, they do not deteriorate, only change
What?
Can i suggest to forward that to the perimeter institute. No, better still, the the Royal Swedish Academy of Science, there may be a Nobel prize in it for you
Altfish
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The correct answer to the question "What came before the Big Bang?" is, We don't know.
What was before your god?
try to stay on topic and stop making personal suggestions. they're not relevant to understanding one thing creates manyness and not be lost energy wise. energy is one thing that can manifest as manyness.
the law tells you that. it transforms trans means to go beyond and forms is obvious
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i don't have a god before or after. an absolute doesn't have a before and after like energy can't be created/destroyed. it just is
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@ChristineM and @Altfish
your overall problem is the fact that you keep fixating on the form(s), relational systems. you want something concrete that you can define but really is indefinite. energy takes indefinite forms. you can't take a picture of it and say here, this is energy. this is it's form because that is untrue. energy is an action. an action that has no beginning, no ending, and no exact form. its a constant change, a paradox, an eternal flux.
your overall problem is the fact that you keep fixating on the form(s), relational systems. you want something concrete that you can define but really is indefinite. energy takes indefinite forms. you can't take a picture of it and say here, this is energy. this is it's form because that is untrue. energy is an action. an action that has no beginning, no ending, and no exact form. its a constant change, a paradox, an eternal flux.
Altfish
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Your overall problem is that you don't do that
No, trans, in this case means to change state.
trans- | Search Online Etymology Dictionary
even using your definition to change state tells you that it is a constant state of change.
so energy isn't a form. its deverbal noun derived from what it is doing
The overall problem is that you don't seem to comprehend reality and so make up gobldygook to make what you don't understand work for you.
Energy is the capacity to do work. As to a beginning, that is unknown, and entropy is well understood so no paradox there
Are we talking science here? Because you don't seem to be
but i do.
this form is not the same form i was born with. this form is not the same i had at 13 yrs of age. this form is not the energy i was at 25.
this energy that is me is not a fixed form, in fact this energy is formless. this energy creates an earthly form for it's experience in a terrean environment. and when this energy is done here it will drop this form to form another somewhere else. the energy isn't fixed to the earth