Goddess Kit
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A philosophy of science does not equate to science being a philosophy. There can be a philosophy on anything, even football, but it doesn't make football a philosophy.
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Atheisms and the supernatural
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A philosophy of science does not equate to science being a philosophy. There can be a philosophy on anything, even football, but it doesn't make football a philosophy.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, but science can't be divorced from the problems in philosophy. I.e. how knowledge and logic work. What objective reality is and what we can know about it. And in the end how you justify what you consider reality and science to be, will end up in philosophy.
In effect if you make a positive statement what reality is and how knowledge, facts and real work, you are doing philosophy.
So how do you view science in regards to what reality is? What knowledge is? How science works? What science can't do if anything?
Goddess Kit
Active Member
You're free to believe as you wish, as faulty as that thinking is.
Science is science. Philosophy falls under the umbrella of science, a silly human blunder if you ask me, but science is not philosophy.
Science is science. Philosophy falls under the umbrella of science, a silly human blunder if you ask me, but science is not philosophy.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Now please use justified reasoning and back up your claims. Just don't state what you believe. Use examples and explain how you arrive at what you arrive at and how you know that.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
I am a Goddess with all knowledge at my disposal. You're free to doubt me, but I wouldn't recommend it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Hope it works for you. But I will now doubt you! OMG, I am dead!!!
Well, I don't care. You are not the first human who claim such powers in effect when it comes to knowledge. And yet, I have been doubt your kind of science and what not for over 20 years now and I am still here. So you have taught me anything new, I didn't already knew.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Wait till you get married, she'll put you straight.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I have been married for close to 18 years now. Stop use everyday wisdom. Start making a reasoned argument.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Very well.
Any reasonable argument I have thus provided has been shot down by your shoddy reasoning skills. At this rate, the future suggests you will continue along the same path.
Any reasonable argument I have thus provided has been shot down by your shoddy reasoning skills. At this rate, the future suggests you will continue along the same path.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Make an actual reasoned argument! E.g. what is science?
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Not a single mention of philosophy, but continue to lecture me about how I know nothing.
Why is objective reality being independent of your mind a problem? The fact that we have happily been studying and evaluating all of that which is outside of our minds for many millennia suggests that your "problem" is a non-problem.
Science is wholly indifferent to the"fairness" of the world/cosmos. Science is explicitly skeptical of our senses. Hense the need for the scientific method to mitigate the unreliability of we human beings and our senses.
Science is neither knowledge or a belief. It is a methodology used to aquire knowledge. The track record for science is quite clear. Compared to the level of knowledge of human beings in pre-history, our current level of understanding of ourselves and the cosmos has expanded dramatically through scientific study. Wouldn't you agree?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What does the words mean: Knowledge, study, fact, truth, general law?
Is site good enough when it come to basic science? https://undsci.berkeley.edu/index.php
Goddess Kit
Active Member
By all means, convolute the issue with semantics.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That is not an answer! It assumes what is in question!
"The cosmological principle is usually stated formally as 'Viewed on a sufficiently large scale, the properties of the universe are the same for all observers.' This amounts to the strongly philosophical statement that the part of the universe which we can see is a fair sample, and that the same physical laws apply throughout. In essence, this in a sense says that the universe is knowable and is playing fair with scientists."
That is a quote from a scientist. William C. Keel (2007). The Road to Galaxy Formation (2nd ed.). Springer-Praxis. p. 2. ISBN 978-3-540-72534-3 That is about science.
Now before you go any further, you have to study the history and philosophy of science and then explain what methodological naturalism means.
For your information methodological naturalism is connected to the problem of knowledge of the objective reality.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So this is not semantics:
"science
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SEE SYNONYMS FOR science
noun
a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:"
Here is what science is not in part: https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/whatisscience_12 As much for what it is not and can't do!
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Your issue is that you are unnecessarily convoluting science with philosophy. No amount of you repeating the falsehood will make it a fact.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/philosophy
I trust a site written by scientist over someone on a forum, which can't make a reasoned argument.
"...
In this website, we use a practical checklist to get a basic picture of what science is and a flexible flowchart to depict how science works. For most everyday purposes, this gives us a fairly complete picture of what science is and is not. However, there is an entire field of rigorous academic study that deals specifically with what science is, how it works, and the logic through which we build scientific knowledge. This branch of philosophy is handily called the philosophy of science. Many of the ideas that we present in this website are a rough synthesis of some new and some old ideas from the philosophy of science.
..."
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
IMHO, neither the objective nor the subjective is beyond the understanding of our mind and we can understand/have understood it to quite some extent. Yes, there are still things that we do not understand, but science is working on them. Future generations will know more than us. To say that we will never understand is not the correct position to take.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Again, a philosophy of science deals with the specific philosophical ideas on what science entails. Science is not philosophy, any more than the philosophy of gambling makes a visit to Vegas a philosophy.