Does it bother you that people believe in God or other deities?

[Trailblazer]

So when did I say god did anything wrong?

PAUL MARKHAM said: 10,000 years of the same problems and your god hasn't lifted a finger.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

First of all you debate about a God you do not believe in as if he exist anyway, that i dont understand.
If people has their right to debate, why do you never say " ah so this is what you believe, that is ok but i believe differently"
Why have i never seen you answer like that?

Okay with the 1,000s of different versions of a god I believe none are right. I can prove this point by showing lies, gaps and mistakes in the various bibles.

Now you can use your reply to prove me wrong.

You can also use your reply to post some of the good things about religion.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

PAUL MARKHAM said: 10,000 years of the same problems and your god hasn't lifted a finger.

Irony floats over another head.

Actually, 200,000 years of the same race of Men and this god fellow hasn't changed the model one jot. Somany belief in a change is not very well-founded. Maybe because Men created gods.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Okay with the 1,000s of different versions of a god I believe none are right. I can prove this point by showing lies, gaps and mistakes in the various bibles.

Now you can use your reply to prove me wrong.

You can also use your reply to post some of the good things about religion.

I will use my reply to say good about religion.

To me, religion has made my life so much better, to understand the scriptures i have studied has made me realize that to truly gain inner peace and wisdom, the scripture holds my life in a grip when i my self doubt my own belief. Religion even saved my life when i wanted to kill my self after 12 years of being bullied in school.

Religion has made me meet people around the world and i can see the similarities they hold with my own understanding of the teaching.
Understanding of how tiny i am as a human being in the wast existence of what God created give me happiness just to be alive, and knowing that i might be with the creator after this life of mine has passed.

Without my faith i would not be alive now

 

[Trailblazer]

Actually, 200,000 years of the same race of Men and this god fellow hasn't changed the model one jot.

God made the model and humans messed it all up. It is not God's job to change the model, it is the job for humans. That is one reason we have free will.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I will use my reply to say good about religion.

To me, religion has made my life so much better, to understand the scriptures i have studied has made me realize that to truly gain inner peace and wisdom, the scripture holds my life in a grip when i my self doubt my own belief. Religion even saved my life when i wanted to kill my self after 12 years of being bullied in school.

Religion has made me meet people around the world and i can see the similarities they hold with my own understanding of the teaching.
Understanding of how tiny i am as a human being in the wast existence of what God created give me happiness just to be alive, and knowing that i might be with the creator after this life of mine has passed.

Without my faith i would not be alive now

Good for you.

I was abused as a child by a vicar and when I told my parents they didn't believe me. Later some parents did believe their child and the vicar was moved to another parish to abuse again. It was after his death the whole truth came out. I attempted suicide and a psychiatrist was called in to help me.

This has happened to 100,000s of children, adults, etc and I gave a long list of the instances.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Good for you.

I was abused as a child by a vicar and when I told my parents they didn't believe me. Later some parents did believe their child and the vicar was moved to another parish to abuse again. It was after his death the whole truth came out. I attempted suicide and a psychiatrist was called in to help me.

This has happened to 100,000s of children, adults, etc and I gave a long list of the instances.

It is sad that humans can harm other humans the way those people harmed you.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

God made the model and humans messed it all up. It is not God's job to change the model, it is the job for humans. That is one reason we have free will.

Evolution made the model and it was the messed up that aided it to become the only model.

Humans won't change for an unworkable model. For the following reasons.

■The oneness of God. What does this actually mean? That we all worship the one god?
■The essential unity of religion. What does this actually mean? That we all worship the one god?
■The unity of mankind. Mankind shows no sign of being united. You're a Baha'is, I'm atheist. Amanaki Muslim.
■Harmony of religion and science. What does this actually mean?
■Independent investigation of truth. What does this actually mean?
■The need for universal compulsory education. Most of the world is educated.
■The need for a universal auxiliary language.
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics. What does this actually mean?

You need to come up with workable solutions to drugs, crime, wars, fights, etc. Not just say all follow Baha'is teaching because they mean nothing. Tony offered to fight drug lords, impossible and tackling the problem from the wrong end. The problem is people want to take drugs. He didn't address crime, wars, fights, etc. Show us the text that Bahaullah offers his solutions.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Evolution made the model and it was the messed up that aided it to become the only model.

Humans won't change for an unworkable model. For the following reasons.

■The oneness of God. What does this actually mean? That we all worship the one god?
■The essential unity of religion. What does this actually mean? That we all worship the one god?
■The unity of mankind. Mankind shows no sign of being united. You're a Baha'is, I'm atheist. Amanaki Muslim.
■Harmony of religion and science. What does this actually mean?
■Independent investigation of truth. What does this actually mean?
■The need for universal compulsory education. Most of the world is educated.
■The need for a universal auxiliary language.
■Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics. What does this actually mean?

You need to come up with workable solutions to drugs, crime, wars, fights, etc. Not just say all follow Baha'is teaching because they mean nothing. Tony offered to fight drug lords, impossible and tackling the problem from the wrong end. The problem is people want to take drugs. He didn't address crime, wars, fights, etc. Show us the text that Bahaullah offers his solutions.

Better humans morality to understand that crime is wrong, drugs are wrong, war is wrong, and so on.
It is all about how human beings morality has fallen to a low point, religious teaching teach how to get higher morality, but yes there are those who claims to be of religion who do not hold higher morality, those people are not the majority 8f religious people

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Better humans morality to understand that crime is wrong, drugs are wrong, war is wrong, and so on.
It is all about how human beings morality has fallen to a low point, religious teaching teach how to get higher morality, but yes there are those who claims to be of religion who do not hold higher morality, those people are not the majority 8f religious people

I know what the books say, apart from the bits that demand executions, severe punishments, etc. They're a good model to live by. The problem is some of the people who preach them.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I know what the books say, apart from the bits that demand executions, severe punishments, etc. They're a good model to live by. The problem is some of the people who preach them.

So now we agree it is a people problem, not a religion or God problem.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So now we agree it is a people problem, not a religion or God problem.

No, it's a religion problem when the churches do their best to hide the truth. Because religion isn't anything without people who run it and believe in it.

It has nothing to do with the mythical gods.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No, it's a religion problem when the churches do their best to hide the truth. Because religion isn't anything without people who run it and believe in it.

It has nothing to do with the mythical gods.

The church is a building. They have congregation of people, they have a person as a priest. So a people problem

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The church is a building. They have congregation of people, they have a person as a priest. So a people problem

Okay, you can have it. It's some of the people who run the religion that's the problem and some of the followers.

 

[FearGod]

In a few discussion it look like some people are really bothered that other people do believe in a God or deities.

Does it really bother you that much that people believe in a God?

What bothers me is people's attitude regardless of their beliefs, I believe
religion is all about morals and peace, if one person hurt another person
because of religion then that really bothers me.

 

[Trailblazer]

You need to come up with workable solutions to drugs, crime, wars, fights, etc. Not just say all follow Baha'is teaching because they mean nothing. Tony offered to fight drug lords, impossible and tackling the problem from the wrong end. The problem is people want to take drugs. He didn't address crime, wars, fights, etc. Show us the text that Bahaullah offers his solutions.

The solution is to follow the teachings and laws of Baha'u'llah, and then there would be no drugs, crime, wars, or fights.
Those teachings and laws can be found in His Writings.