God’s Method of delivering messages, is it flawed?

[PAUL MARKHAM]

I agree that many of the Bible stories are not true, but tat does not mean that the writers lied. Lying is a deliberate telling of an untruth with intent to deceive. We have no way to know that is what the writers did, as there could be reasons for the fictional stories that we do know know about.

They lied because they presented them as true with an intent to deceive.

So you believe your bible is based on falsehoods or whatever you want to call them.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So give us proof.

You admit that many religions are false, so that means you have to present proof your messenger is from god.

84% is an indication of Man'sneed for a super hero to solve their problems.

The Kitab-i-iqan is a good place to start, full of masterful and logical proof, here is a link for you. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library

Regards Tony

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Certainly, many religions were made up by men.

Any religion that was not revealed by God through a Messenger is made up, Imo.

So prove your religion is the right one and your messenger, that few believe in, is also the right one.

 

[Trailblazer]

They are steeped in different religions. That indicates they need a god. Because they hope someone will come and solve their problems.

Those of my religion do not hope God will come and fix anything because we believe it is our job to fix the world's problems.

It's not that we don't like the idea of messengers, we don't believe they are messengers. Especially when so many of them are corrupt.

I know that, but just because many of them are corrupt that does not mean they are all corrupt.

 

[Trailblazer]

They are facts that prove that god doesn't exist. At least no god ever written about.

Prove it then.

 

[Trailblazer]

So prove your religion is the right one and your messenger, that few believe in, is also the right one.

I cannot prove that to anyone, people have to prove it to themselves by looking at the evidence..

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

If you mean that the evidence of evolution proved that the Creation story in Genesis is wrong I agree, but that does not prove there is no God; that only proves that Genesis was not literally true, it was a metaphor. I do not believe that the earth was created in six days, as I believe in evolution, but I also believe in God.

My beliefs are not based upon the Bible, they are based upon the Baha'i Writings. I believe the Bible is true in substance, but not all the stories are literally true, some of them are metaphorical.

This metaphor is proof they weren't talking to any god and made the stories up from tales told around the campfires of early Bronze Age man.

So they weren't messengers from god.

You can't have it two ways.

 

[Trailblazer]

So give us proof.

You admit that many religions are false, so that means you have to present proof your messenger is from god.

I am not the one who made the claim, so I am not responsible to present the proof.
Baha'u'llah made the claim and he provided evidence to back His claim.

 

[Trailblazer]

This metaphor is proof they weren't talking to any god and made the stories up from tales told around the campfires of early Bronze Age man.

So they weren't messengers from god.

You can't have it two ways.

No, the men who write the Bible were not Messengers of God.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Honestly, I am confident I know why that's so hard to understand. Because religious folks want there to be an ineffable sky king who will fix things(later, usually). They really really want that. So they'll just ignore observation and logic when it interferes with what they prefer to believe.
Tom

You've given us the reason for religion. Well done.

Look at religious monuments and artefacts that predates Abraham. They are all calling out to a superhero to solve a problem, help them in some form.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Well, part of the problem is I think some people don't trust religions anymore. And the Baha'i Faith, being a religion, has to deal with that. Why should people trust that what Baha'is say is true? And Baha'is agree. Baha'is expect people to check it out for themselves. And part of that is to see how Baha'is act and live their lives. And how is the Baha'i Faith working in their communities? Not all Baha'is are very active. Some are active, but not necessarily in a good way. Some are awesome. Same with Baha'i communities. Some aren't very active. Some are active but not in a good way. Some are awesome.

Do you really expect people to believe in religion when it has given them so much evil?

Baha'is way of living is maybe a good one, I'm not steeped in knowledge of what he says, that doesn't mean he is from god.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, the problem is the people who reject the Messenger.

But we are getting so many messengers, you admit many are false, it's up to you to prove your messenger is from god.

Is he in communication with god?
Does god speak to him?
Or send other messengers to talk to them.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Since God does not need us and it is us that needs God. The neglect to embrace the Message how God has chosen to do so, lays squarely on the shoulders of mankind.

Regards Tony

Explain why we need a god. Other than our hope a superhero will solve problems for us.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Kitab-i-iqan is a good place to start, full of masterful and logical proof, here is a link for you. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library

Regards Tony

I'm not even going to bother to read all those ramblings. He kicks off with making wild claims with no evidence. Making assumptions that if we do as he thinks we should we will be better off because god will reward us.

Reading the first few paragraphs it's obvious you can't prove he's a messenger from any god. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Those of my religion do not hope God will come and fix anything because we believe it is our job to fix the world's problems.

I know that, but just because many of them are corrupt that does not mean they are all corrupt.

But he writes the opposite, that believing in god will give you something that exist without the need of a god.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Prove it then.

I have done many times, you even admit the bible is false in many places. You admit many of the messengers are false.

So it's now up to you to prove your messenger is from your god and how they communicate.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Explain why we need a god. Other than our hope a superhero will solve problems for us.

Consider the question you asked in the light as to why a child need education. To find our true potential. There is much offered on the topic, this is an extract from one talk.

'.....It is therefore clear and evident that man stands in need of an educator. This educator must undeniably be perfect in every way and distinguished above all men. For if he were like others he could never be their educator, particularly since he must at once be their material, human, and spiritual educator. That is, he must organize and administer their material affairs and establish a social order, that they may aid and assist each other in securing the means of livelihood and that their material affairs may be ordered and arranged in every respect...."
Some Answered Questions | Bahá’í Reference Library

Regards Tony

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

No, the men who write the Bible were not Messengers of God.

So all religions based on the bible are false.

So how is Bahal getting his instructions from a god?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm not even going to bother to read all those ramblings. He kicks off with making wild claims with no evidence. Making assumptions that if we do as he thinks we should we will be better off because god will reward us.

Reading the first few paragraphs it's obvious you can't prove he's a messenger from any god. The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library

That book is not about proving Baha'u'llah, it is about proving all the Messengers up until and including the Bab. It was the Bab that left no doubt that the world was in the time of great change, from a the Message He gave change was inevitable and swift, behind the Message was a promise of One greater then himself.

It is not my loss, if you choose not to consider the contents.

Regards Tony

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Consider the question you asked in the light as to why a child need education. To find our true potential. There is much offered on the topic, this is an extract from one talk.

'.....It is therefore clear and evident that man stands in need of an educator. This educator must undeniably be perfect in every way and distinguished above all men. For if he were like others he could never be their educator, particularly since he must at once be their material, human, and spiritual educator. That is, he must organize and administer their material affairs and establish a social order, that they may aid and assist each other in securing the means of livelihood and that their material affairs may be ordered and arranged in every respect...."
Some Answered Questions | Bahá’í Reference Library

Regards Tony

You can reach your true potential without any religion. Your reasoning is false.