A Flood of Nonsense

[Audie]

Eretz means land.. Like, there was famine in the land not in the whole earth. Noah's flood dates to 2900 BC.

Some flood may date to that. Noahs flood is fantasy.

 

[sooda]

Some flood may date to that. Noahs flood is fantasy.

The story of the King of Shuruppak most closely resembles the Noah story.. I think the name of the king of the city state was Ziusudra ....

 

[Audie]

The story of the King of Shuruppak most closely resembles the Noah story.. I think the name of the king of the city state was Ziusudra ....

That is fine. But saying that Noahs flood happened and can be
dated is false and ridiculous, i cannot fathom why you keep saying it.

 

[sooda]

That is fine. But saying that Noahs flood happened and can be
dated is false and ridiculous, i cannot fathom why you keep saying it.

Of course its ridiculous.. but this flood of the Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC is covered in the king's list and there is a demonstrable flood strata. .. and its about the same time that the Gilgamesh Epic shows up. Its a rational connection and the best guess.

 

[sooda]

Sure. Not sure if he was Sumerian - this account is not from the Hebrew era
and I wonder that language that name comes from.
But as for the earth being completely flooded - not sure what earth meant to
the author. "Earth" had different meanings to different cultures.

Noah wasn't 100 million years ago.

 

[PruePhillip]

Who knows? They wrote brief sketchy accounts with no
way to check, in many cases. And who cares what those
old timers were up to, how many sheep this guy had,
or who married who. Seriously!!! What difference does it make?

When you can check-like "exodus" or, "flood"
the stories often turn out to be made up bs.

So let me ask you a question about Exodus.
The First Exodus was Egypt to Palestine, 40 years, 38 of which
were spent in Kadesh, or traveling to and from Kadesh.
The second Exodus began 1897 with the rise of Zionism. It
called for all the Jews in the world, mostly assimilated into
Gentile societies, to take back Palestine with the sword. And
these Jews, after 2,000 years, should not have existed as a
culture or genetics.

Both Exodus' are mentioned in the bible. Which is the more
fantastic?

 

[PruePhillip]

Luke was supposedly a physician living in Antioch... who completely screws up the geography of Palestine.

Luke was a preacher. He preached with Paul
He most likely died with Paul too at the hands
of Nero.

 

[sooda]

Luke was a preacher. He preached with Paul
He most likely died with Paul too at the hands
of Nero.

Luke was a physician and traveling companion of Paul. Luke is mentioned in three of Paul's books as "Luke the beloved physician.".

Colossians 4:14

 

[PruePhillip]

Luke was a physician and traveling companion of Paul. Luke is mentioned in three of Paul's books as "Luke the beloved physician.".

Colossians 4:14

We can't be 100% sure the Physician Luke and the Author Luke are the same
person. But... it shouldn't' matter - people who go on about who wrote what and
when are missing the whole point, or worse, subverting it.

 

[sooda]

So let me ask you a question about Exodus.
The First Exodus was Egypt to Palestine, 40 years, 38 of which
were spent in Kadesh, or traveling to and from Kadesh.

The second Exodus began 1897 with the rise of Zionism. It
called for all the Jews in the world, mostly assimilated into
Gentile societies, to take back Palestine with the sword. And
these Jews, after 2,000 years, should not have existed as a
culture or genetics.

Both Exodus' are mentioned in the bible. Which is the more
fantastic?

That's the Scofield heresy in a nutshell.

 

[Audie]

Of course its ridiculous.. but this flood of the Euphrates River Basin in 2900 BC is covered in the king's list and there is a demonstrable flood strata. .. and its about the same time that the Gilgamesh Epic shows up. Its a rational connection and the best guess.

Thats fine.
Calling it noahs flood isnt

 

[Audie]

So let me ask you a question about Exodus.
The First Exodus was Egypt to Palestine, 40 years, 38 of which
were spent in Kadesh, or traveling to and from Kadesh.
The second Exodus began 1897 with the rise of Zionism. It
called for all the Jews in the world, mostly assimilated into
Gentile societies, to take back Palestine with the sword. And
these Jews, after 2,000 years, should not have existed as a
culture or genetics.

Both Exodus' are mentioned in the bible. Which is the more
fantastic?

Fantastic is your inability to remotely say anything
on topic.

 

[PruePhillip]

Fantastic is your inability to remotely say anything
on topic.

I put it to you that this Second Exodus is more amazing. Or is it the third Exodus because
there's the return from Babylon. Isaiah I think is the one who speaks of a return "a second
time" to Israel. Here he is writing BEFORE the first return - to Jews this was simply not
possible to believe.
The second return is even more improbable - the Jews shouldn't even exist as a people
after 2,000 years without a home. And how would it be possible to re-take Palestine when
it belongs to the Muslims? And why would prosperous, integrated Jews want to go to what
was the backwater of the world?
So yeah, miracles are possible. And if you open your eyes, read about this, you will see
what a Miracle it is that the Jews are going home - whether they want to or not.

 

[Audie]

I put it to you that this Second Exodus is more amazing. Or is it the third Exodus because
there's the return from Babylon. Isaiah I think is the one who speaks of a return "a second
time" to Israel. Here he is writing BEFORE the first return - to Jews this was simply not
possible to believe.
The second return is even more improbable - the Jews shouldn't even exist as a people
after 2,000 years without a home. And how would it be possible to re-take Palestine when
it belongs to the Muslims? And why would prosperous, integrated Jews want to go to what
was the backwater of the world?
So yeah, miracles are possible. And if you open your eyes, read about this, you will see
what a Miracle it is that the Jews are going home - whether they want to or not.

Are you even aware that has zero to with any
possible response to what I said? If you've a
disability, sorry to give you a hard time.

 

[PruePhillip]

Are you even aware that has zero to with any
possible response to what I said? If you've a
disability, sorry to give you a hard time.

Let me put it another way.
Imagine it's the year 4,000 AD - our age is 2,000 years back.
And the Jews have lived in Palestine till 4000.
But the world we know was destroyed in a series of nuclear wars.
And someone writes an account of Exodus II - all the Jews back
to Israel, whether they like it or not, from all the nations, to a land
hostile to them.

That's no believable.
Nor is Exodus 1 believable
Nor is a flood believable.

You can say people who believe in the bible are naïve
But you have to also say people who claim the bible is false
are intellectually arrogant

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you have been busy telling me there was no stage when the earth
was oceanic, sterile and dark.

The statement that Rome is the center of the world is clearly wrong. The
center of the world is a ball of hot, compressed iron, thousands of miles
down underneath our feet.

Oh my, still repeating old errors that have nothing to do with the Flood myth.

 

[Audie]

Oh my, still repeating old errors that have nothing to do with the Flood myth.

He is all yours.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He is all yours.

Thanks a lot

 

[PruePhillip]

Oh my, still repeating old errors that have nothing to do with the Flood myth.

They do. My argument challenges the modern idea that the "whole world"
mentioned in Sumerian texts meant the "whole world" we think of today.
The "universe" I grew up with isn't the same "universe" today - and that's
in a single generation.

 

[sooda]

They do. My argument challenges the modern idea that the "whole world"
mentioned in Sumerian texts meant the "whole world" we think of today.
The "universe" I grew up with isn't the same "universe" today - and that's
in a single generation.

Biblical scholars disagree about the circumstances of Saint Luke's death. Most Catholic scholars contend that he either died at the age of 84 in Greece, while many Orthodox scholars assert that he was martyred after the death of Saint Paul.
How Did the Apostle Luke Die? | Reference.com
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