Where would the USA have been if it was not for the lies against Trump?

[Darkstorn]

Is everyone in your country as enlightened and erudite as you? Then why judge everyone by one example?

I'm not. I'm using you as the second example. Want a third?

I was explaining the reason I find those "Americuhhh stronk" types funny: It's because it's a poor defense mechanism in order to try and hide the overall stupidity and fatness of your average American.

It doesn't "feel" very strong. In fact isolationists seem to be less than "weak" as far as their morality and standards of consistency go. And i'm talking about you personally.

/E: Basically, you go all about how you better not come and make fun of America or else you're going to feel very sad about it. But then Americans DO go to other countries to tell pretty much the same thing: Don't make fun of America!

It's hilarious. It's like imperialism draped in a vestment that says "freedom" on it. And then everyone's like "oh we just want to live in isolation alone here, **** the outside world!"

And then you give all your manufacturing and economic capacity to China. Like, talk about STRONG.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Well, at least I now discovered you never read the Bible, but listen to Bible critisers who deliberately spread those lies.
At least I went and investigated what the Bible say about slavery, and can make a full statement that it does never allow people to be capturted into slavery, nor to treat anyone in your service poor, or to hurt them, rape them, kill, torture, sell them.
Where you are wrong is the use of the word "Slave in the Bible"
it should be translated as servant.

You are more than welcome to debate me on this topic, but it was done previously.
Therefore, dont make some generalised statement, if you did not investigate it for yourself.

I've read the Bible cover to cover. It definitely does not condemn slavery anywhere. What it does do, is give very specific instructions on where to find slaves (purchase them from the nations around you), and how to treat them (you can beat them unless they die within a couple of days). I don't care what word you think is used - the descriptions are those of slavery. The buying and selling of human beings as property is slavery, no matter what word you want to call it.

Perhaps it is you who needs to read the Bible again.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Yes, indeed. That is a silly superstitious notion. The only people who believe that are Creationists. Scientists and rational people who have even a basic understanding of Evolution don't believe that.




On the other hand;
A fully-formed Omni-All entity has always existed.
This Omni-All did nothing for 99.99999999999999999999999999999999+% of its existence.
Then, this Omni-All entity popped the entire universe into existence in six days just for you to exist.
Really Silly.

I only saw this post now, but remeber what I posted.
You obviously dont take anything anyone says into consideration.
1. God does not exist in a realm of Time.
He created Time 6000 years ago when he made the Sun and Earth.
Even science has claims that Time does not exist, it is just by chance that we are caught up in an environment of ageing and a solar system clockwork.

Therefore your statement that God exiated for so many eons are 99.9999999999999999999999999999999+% incorrect!

And your superstition religion of Evolution is actually not so scientific as you believe.
It does state that man developed from a frog, and Walt Disney made a movie about that one who changed into a prince.

pal, please note that the God you dont believe in, the one bound by time, is also not the one I believe in.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I only saw this post now, but remeber what I posted.
You obviously dont take anything anyone says into consideration.
1. God does not exist in a realm of Time.
He created Time 6000 years ago when he made the Sun and Earth.
Even science has claims that Time does not exist, it is just by chance that we are caught up in an environment of ageing and a solar system clockwork.

Therefore your statement that God exiated for so many eons are 99.9999999999999999999999999999999+% incorrect!

And your superstition religion of Evolution is actually not so scientific as you believe.
It does state that man developed from a frog, and Walt Disney made a movie about that one who changed into a prince.

pal, please note that the God you dont believe in, the one bound by time, is also not the one I believe in.

@SA Huguenot maybe I misunderstand your answer here, but i got a bit surprised when i read you say God created Time 6000 years go.
As you know I am not always a fan of science, but in this case, I will use science to find an answer or to ask you. Science says the earth is 4.5 billion years old. How can we explain the huge difference in the understanding of how old earth is?
If evolution is correct would earth and the animals, human beings and other creatures here, be able to become what they are today in only 6000 years?
Honestly, i do not know if 6000 years would be enough to get to where we are today.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I only saw this post now, but remeber what I posted.
You obviously dont take anything anyone says into consideration.
1. God does not exist in a realm of Time.
He created Time 6000 years ago when he made the Sun and Earth.
Even science has claims that Time does not exist, it is just by chance that we are caught up in an environment of ageing and a solar system clockwork.

Therefore your statement that God exiated for so many eons are 99.9999999999999999999999999999999+% incorrect!

And your superstition religion of Evolution is actually not so scientific as you believe.
It does state that man developed from a frog, and Walt Disney made a movie about that one who changed into a prince.

pal, please note that the God you dont believe in, the one bound by time, is also not the one I believe in.

The thing about evolution, is that it's demonstrable. And no, it doesn't say man developed from a frog. You really should read some actual science on the subject, because I'm sorry to say, you really don't know what you're talking. If you've been reading from creationist sites, that may explain it.

Can you demonstrate that the god you believe in exists and possesses all the characteristics you attribute to "him?" Can you demonstrate that the God you believe in exists outside of time and created time 6000 years ago? Any of it?

 

[ecco]

You obviously dont take anything anyone says into consideration.
1. God does not exist in a realm of Time.
He created Time 6000 years ago when he made the Sun and Earth.

You obviously don't understand what I wrote. Nevertheless...
Even if I were to accept your unsupportable assertion, we are faced with two, and only two possibilities:

1. God existed long before He created time and the universe 6000 years ago.
2. God popped into existence 6000 years ago.

If 1.) Then, even in the absence of time, God existed long before He created time and the universe. Why did he wait so long before doing anything of value?
If 2.) You need to explain how this occurred. How did God pop from nothing into God?

Therefore your statement that God exiated for so many eons are 99.9999999999999999999999999999999+% incorrect!

See above.

And your superstition religion of Evolution is actually not so scientific as you believe.
It does state that man developed from a frog, and Walt Disney made a movie about that one who changed into a prince.

Now it all makes sense. You got your knowledge of evolution from a Disney movie. That certainly explains many of your posts.

pal, please note that the God you dont believe in, the one bound by time, is also not the one I believe in.

Please note that I don't believe in many gods, not just the one you may or may not believe in.

But just to be sure, please do tell us all about the god you do believe in.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Can you demonstrate that the god you believe in exists and possesses all the characteristics you attribute to "him?" Can you demonstrate that the God you believe in exists outside of time and created time 6000 years ago? Any of it?

Of corse I can.
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.
so there was a Beginning, which does say the Universe is the beginning, not God.
And God said, let there be light!'
and it was evening and morning, the first day.
So, before the Light shon on the Earth , Time as we measure with the assistance of a sun shining on an Earth, and an Earth travelling around the Sun, NEVER EXISTED before this!

Now we get to the Begining of when the Universe was created.
Jude 25, “to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever” (pro pantos tou aionos kai nun kai eis pantas tous aionas).
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; [before age-long time (pro chronon aionion)]
Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Therefore, Before Physical Time measurements with the moving bodies in the Universe existed, God Existed.
and before Age long Time, God existed.
Actually the name of YHWH is translated as I AM.
EgoEmi.
I am (Existing in all time)
Wonder where Eistein got the idea that Time does not exist.

 

[SA Huguenot]

You obviously don't understand what I wrote. Nevertheless...
Even if I were to accept your unsupportable assertion, we are faced with two, and only two possibilities:

1. God existed long before He created time and the universe 6000 years ago.
2. God popped into existence 6000 years ago.

If 1.) Then, even in the absence of time, God existed long before He created time and the universe. Why did he wait so long before doing anything of value?
If 2.) You need to explain how this occurred. How did God pop from nothing into God?

I think you have a problem in your thinking that Time must have existed forever.
Well, Time is only a measurement in the 3 dimentions (continiums) (entities) we as humans experience.

Why dont you simply say, Prove to me God is not matter?
or prove to me that God does not take up space.

This whole thinking is wrong. If you regard God as someone not made of Matter, or something that takes up space, why whould you demand that He is bound by Time.
I will never believe in a God that consists of Matter, that is an idol.
I will never believe in a God that is contained in space, He is too small to have created everything.
I can never believe in a God that is bound by Time, he will grow old and must have had a beginning where he did not exist, and will therefore be bound to die!

No, I believe in a God who created Matter, Space for matter to exist in, and it all bound by time.

Its like you telling me you can see Henry Ford in a model T, and you can talk to him speaking to a Car, and you telling me that the Model T and Henry Ford grew old together.
Even if Henry Ford was born long before that same model T, and died after the Model T stopped running, you demand that the Model T somehow contains Henry Ford!

 

[SA Huguenot]

Now it all makes sense. You got your knowledge of evolution from a Disney movie. That certainly explains many of your posts.

And if you do not have the capacity to see the humor and comparison with this analogy, I can understand why you will not be able to perceive God!

 

[SA Huguenot]

Please note that I don't believe in many gods, not just the one you may or may not believe in.

But just to be sure, please do tell us all about the god you do believe in.

Well, thats a deal!
As long as you dont build a straw puppet with the chaff in your mind, and telling me this is the God I believe in.
So, resist in deformating YHWH, and I will not have to correct your error.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Of corse I can.
In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth.
so there was a Beginning, which does say the Universe is the beginning, not God.
And God said, let there be light!'
and it was evening and morning, the first day.
So, before the Light shon on the Earth , Time as we measure with the assistance of a sun shining on an Earth, and an Earth travelling around the Sun, NEVER EXISTED before this!

Now we get to the Begining of when the Universe was created.
Jude 25, “to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever” (pro pantos tou aionos kai nun kai eis pantas tous aionas).
Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; [before age-long time (pro chronon aionion)]
Tit 1:3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

Therefore, Before Physical Time measurements with the moving bodies in the Universe existed, God Existed.
and before Age long Time, God existed.
Actually the name of YHWH is translated as I AM.
EgoEmi.
I am (Existing in all time)
Wonder where Eistein got the idea that Time does not exist.

Um, okay. So where's the part where you actually demonstrate any of this?
Quoting words from old books doesn't get you there.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Um, okay. So where's the part where you actually demonstrate any of this?
Quoting words from old books doesn't get you there.

And this is what I wanted you to ask.
We cleared the description of the Bible that God created the Universe, and the Biblical description that Time was also created by Him, which obviously demonstrates that God exists outside ot Time.

And you are correct!
How can I then prove that this description of God is demonstratable?
Well, my theory is the following.

If the description of the Bible on the origins of Time, Space and Matter relates to what science says, it will be a fact to reconsider who the Author of such a document was. (we have it in writing that date in physical manuscripts to 168 BC, and respectibly dated by critics to 400BC, and claimed to be dating from 1400 BC.

Anyhow, lets take the date of 400 BC to satisfy the critics.

I say, if this document explains the origins of say, our solar system, and it corresponds to what the scientific models today teaches, I can with certainty declare that the Author of this document must be who He claims to be.
And He claims to be the Creator who exists outside the realm of Space, Time and Matter.

Now, here is my claim.
in 1755 Emmanuel Kant took the Bible, read Genesis, and wrote his Theory of the Universe which became the Nebular theory science today uses as a model for the origins of the Universe.
Every thing he said about the universe, and its compositions was proven to be correct in 1925 by Hubble.
Today you can open any science handbook, and you will actually read Genesis 1!

 

[ecco]

You obviously don't understand what I wrote. Nevertheless...
Even if I were to accept your unsupportable assertion, we are faced with two, and only two possibilities:

1. God existed long before He created time and the universe 6000 years ago.
2. God popped into existence 6000 years ago.

If 1.) Then, even in the absence of time, God existed long before He created time and the universe. Why did he wait so long before doing anything of value?
If 2.) You need to explain how this occurred. How did God pop from nothing into God?

I think you have a problem in your thinking that Time must have existed forever.

No. The problem lies in your ability to read and understand written English. I did not say nor imply that "Time must have existed forever". I specifically stated that one possibility is that "God existed long before He created time".

That this is so difficult for you to comprehend is astounding. Perhaps you do understand but feel that you must deflect, by feigning reading comprehension difficulties, to avoid addressing my comments.

You don't look good in either scenario.

 

[ecco]

And your superstition religion of Evolution is actually not so scientific as you believe.
It does state that man developed from a frog, and Walt Disney made a movie about that one who changed into a prince.

Now it all makes sense. You got your knowledge of evolution from a Disney movie. That certainly explains many of your posts.

And if you do not have the capacity to see the humor and comparison with this analogy, I can understand why you will not be able to perceive God!

And if you do not have the capacity to see the sarcasm in my response, I can understand why we have difficulty communicating.

Nevertheless, perhaps you would care to explain where you got your knowledge of ToE since you feel it is not very scientific. It wouldn't be AIG by any chance, would it?

And while you're at it, why don't you explain precisely how you account for humans on earth. YEC?

 

[ecco]

But just to be sure, please do tell us all about the god you do believe in.

Well, thats a deal!
As long as you dont build a straw puppet with the chaff in your mind, and telling me this is the God I believe in.
So, resist in deformating YHWH, and I will not have to correct your error.

What error? I just asked you to tell us all about the god you do believe in.

 

[SkepticThinker]

And this is what I wanted you to ask.
We cleared the description of the Bible that God created the Universe, and the Biblical description that Time was also created by Him, which obviously demonstrates that God exists outside ot Time.

And you are correct!
How can I then prove that this description of God is demonstratable?
Well, my theory is the following.

If the description of the Bible on the origins of Time, Space and Matter relates to what science says, it will be a fact to reconsider who the Author of such a document was. (we have it in writing that date in physical manuscripts to 168 BC, and respectibly dated by critics to 400BC, and claimed to be dating from 1400 BC.

Anyhow, lets take the date of 400 BC to satisfy the critics.

I say, if this document explains the origins of say, our solar system, and it corresponds to what the scientific models today teaches, I can with certainty declare that the Author of this document must be who He claims to be.
And He claims to be the Creator who exists outside the realm of Space, Time and Matter.

Now, here is my claim.
in 1755 Emmanuel Kant took the Bible, read Genesis, and wrote his Theory of the Universe which became the Nebular theory science today uses as a model for the origins of the Universe.
Every thing he said about the universe, and its compositions was proven to be correct in 1925 by Hubble.
Today you can open any science handbook, and you will actually read Genesis 1!
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This is not a demonstration that there is a god, that said god exists outside of time, or that said god created the universe 6000 years ago. And then you've thrown in another claim to boot!

Furthermore, Genesis does not provide an accurate description of what we know about how the universe formed.

 

[SA Huguenot]

No. The problem lies in your ability to read and understand written English. I did not say nor imply that "Time must have existed forever". I specifically stated that one possibility is that "God existed long before He created time".

Good.
Now that you admitted that Time had a beginning, and did not exist forever, tour old calculation of 99.9999999999999999999999% of God's existance he did nothing changes a lot, dont you think?

 

[SA Huguenot]

And if you do not have the capacity to see the sarcasm in my response, I can understand why we have difficulty communicating.

Nevertheless, perhaps you would care to explain where you got your knowledge of ToE since you feel it is not very scientific. It wouldn't be AIG by any chance, would it?

And while you're at it, why don't you explain precisely how you account for humans on earth. YEC?

Well, as an atheist all I did was to read what Atheists and Muslims claimed about the Bible.
I then went to substantiate their claims by reading their references from the Bible.
I found they all were lying through their teeth.
I discovered the Bible was the source of the Nebular Theory which was plagerized by science for over 150 years.
I learned that the Atheists dont even know that the "Evidence" they produce that the Bible does not correspond with what science today knows, was one huge collective amnesia on there their science came from.
I then refered back to the Atheists, and Muslims who told me their "Facts".
And they all concluded they did not know about that.
I then went and investigated all the other religious books I knew off, and found they were all inferior in knowledge to the Biblical exolanations.
And NO, i do not use Creation websites as my sources, but do my own reading.
For one, not one creationist organisation agrees with me that the Bible says the Universe is countless years old.
They demand a Universe of 6000 years.
The Bibls never says that.
But it does say that Life is 6000 yo.

Where do you get your info from?
I would like to question your sources too.

 

[SA Huguenot]

What error? I just asked you to tell us all about the god you do believe in.

Nope, Your error was that you told me that the God of the Bible was bound by time.
Therefore i showed you your error, God created
Time
Space
and Matter.
Therefore you were attacking the God of the Bible with a false attribute.
That is an error and you did as a matter of fact not touch YHWH at all, but destroyed a strawpuppet you built yourself
THINKING you destroyed YHWH.
Sorry mate.
It is the Umpteenth time you made such ERRORS!

 

[SA Huguenot]

Furthermore, Genesis does not provide an accurate description of what we know about how the universe formed.

Oh but you are wrong!
You obviously dont want to know that Emmanuel Kant wrote his essay:
natural History of the Heavens on Newtonian principles in 1755!
he explained how a Nebulous cloud had gravitational points and accretion took place collecting matter with the center developing into the Sun and the residuce encircling it growing into planets, moons and commets.
He described billions of other universes, who no one at that stage kew about, and even vebtured into the composition of the heavens bodies!
Over 175 years everything he described was proven scientifically correct.
in the 1940's an attempt was made to shadow Kant's description with a combination of laplace's theory, and some atheists even today try to call it the "Kant-Laplace" Nebular theory.
Well, needless to say, Laplace's theory is a huge error, and the Atheists attempt to hide Kant's descriptions is futile for Laplace's does not hold any scientific value at all.
Any description of the origins of the Universe in science actually uses Kant's work!

And guess where Kant got his information from?
THE BIBLE!
GENESIS 1!
Therefore, if you want to discuss the creation story of Genesis, lets go!