Why do atheist believe something can come from nothing?

[Subduction Zone]

I have faith scientific advances will continue to provide answers to our questions. <—- See what I did there?

As the link noted, Quantum theory could provide the evidence of Multiverses. At the moment, it’s just theory and hypotheses, no evidence. That said, unless you are like @Bob the Unbeliever, I doubt that you believe the Universe just magically came from nothing nor that it’s insane to even discuss the issue.

So you still do not know what a theory is. One cannot have a theory without massive evidence. And most hypotheses also are supported by evidence. There is merely not enough so that they are well accepted.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Technically we have to go pre-big bang.
Why was there a singularity, what did it exist in, why did it heat up, etc.

there is no such thing as "pre-big bang".... seeing as how it is SPACE-TIME, and the two are inseparable.

Since the big bang is the beginning of space-time? It is meaningless to try to speak of "before"

 

[We Never Know]

Yet... you continue to make claims about some kind of Magical Separation ...

hmmmm...

I have equal evidence for it existing or not existing. In both cases the evidence is none.
As I stated..
"I don't believe the super natural exist. I also don't believe it doesn't exist. I don't know. It may or may not"
to claim anything else is doing so by belief only.

 

[Subduction Zone]

wait.... ***MY** belief?

What's this "your belief" horse exhaust! PROJECTION YET AGAIN.

And you wonder why I have to use all caps, when replying to ... you....

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

BUT WAIT! YOU GOT ANOTHER THING 100% WRONG!

The Big Bang? Absolutely does NOT claim nothing from nowhere...!!!!

Oh. My...

I think that he may be confused. The work of Krauss and others have demonstrated that a "universe from nothing" does not break any physical laws. It is not their claim that it had to be from nothing.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

"Atheism [is] a direct answer to one of the most important metaphysical questions in philosophy of religion, namely, “Is there a God?” There are only two possible direct answers to this question: “yes”, which is theism, and “no”, which is atheism." -Stanford Encyclopedia (Bracket mine.)

The above, directly contradicts your earlier post... hmmmm

 

[Road Warrior]

I'll repeat my observation of your assumptions: Pascal's Wager is not a valid argument.

Your "argument" with respect to Multiverse? Is in the same style as Pascal.

I simply said it's not rational to presume something can exist "outside of the universe".

You are projecting all sorts of BS into that simple statement; you assume that is something I believe, and other Straw Man projections.

It is an observation only. Show me evidence for anything outside the universe, and I'll listen.

Until you can do that? It isn't rational to presume such things.

Agreed. Straw man argument since I never spoke of Pascal’s Wager nor suggested it: you did.

 

[Wandering Monk]

I have faith scientific advances will continue to provide answers to our questions. <—- See what I did there?

As the link noted, Quantum theory could provide the evidence of Multiverses. At the moment, it’s just theory and hypotheses, no evidence. That said, unless you are like @Bob the Unbeliever, I doubt that you believe the Universe just magically came from nothing nor that it’s insane to even discuss the issue.

I don't know where it came from. But, unlike theists, not knowing does not mean Goddidit is the only explanation

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I think that he may be confused. The work of Krauss and others have demonstrated that a "universe from nothing" does not break any physical laws. It is not their claim that it had to be from nothing.

Yeah, but the thing is? Krauss was essentially writing a "click bait" piece, wasn't he?

What I love about Krauss' piece, though, is that the net sum of all the matter/energy of the observable universe? Is zero. Polymath has talked about this at length.

In a way, the total universe? Is zero.

 

[Road Warrior]

wait.... ***MY** belief?

What's this "your belief" horse exhaust! PROJECTION YET AGAIN.

And you wonder why I have to use all caps, when replying to ... you....

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

BUT WAIT! YOU GOT ANOTHER THING 100% WRONG!

The Big Bang? Absolutely does NOT claim nothing from nowhere...!!!!

Oh. My...

Yes, your belief as stated in your initial post. Please try to calm down and discuss this like an adult.

 

[We Never Know]

there is no such thing as "pre-big bang".... seeing as how it is SPACE-TIME, and the two are inseparable.


Since the big bang is the beginning of space-time? It is meaningless to try to speak of "before"

So tell me what did the singularity that existed before the big bang, which then expanded(faster than the speed of light) to create the big bang exist in, how did it even exist at all and how did it heat up before space-time existed?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Agreed. Straw man argument since I never spoke of Pascal’s Wager nor suggested it: you did.

100% of your argument(s)? Are exactly of the same error that Pascal made.

Now I realize this is beyond your ability to grasp why, and I have also come to realize that you don't actually read what people post, but instead, you project what you THINK they wrote, and you reply to that....

It is actually quite funny...

 

[Road Warrior]

I don't know where it came from. But, unlike theists, not knowing does not mean Goddidit is the only explanation

I don’t know where the Universe came from either, but I’m certain scientific advances will eventually provide answers. Theists can think whatever they like. I fail to see what that has to do with this discussion.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yes, your belief as stated in your initial post. Please try to calm down and discuss this like an adult.

You are now being disingenuous... quote me where I stated a belief.

This is yet another example of you --- failing to comprehend what is written-- and instead building up a strawman...

 

[Road Warrior]

So tell me what did the singularity that existed before the big bang, which then expanded(faster than the speed of light) to create the big bang exist in, how did it even exist at all and how did it heat up before space-time existed?

An excellent question all the more fascinating since it appears ours is a one-shot Universe. An Oscillating Universe would have helped explain it, but one and done? Why?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

So tell me what did the singularity that existed before the big bang, which then expanded(faster than the speed of light) to create the big bang exist in, how did it even exist at all and how did it heat up before space-time existed?

Good questions. I have no clue-- and I have never claimed to have a clue.

Perhaps you should ask someone who is

1) worried about it
2) actually qualified

I suggest Dr Neil Degrasse Tyson.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't know where it came from. But, unlike theists, not knowing does not mean Goddidit is the only explanation

A very truthful and optimistic answer.

 

[Road Warrior]

You are now being disingenuous... quote me where I stated a belief.

This is yet another example of you --- failing to comprehend what is written-- and instead building up a strawman...

If you can’t control your emotions and calm down, I’ll have to ignore you until you do. There’s no need for name-calling, false accusations or emotional rhetoric.

Here is where you stated your beliefs:

BINGO! And since we have zero examples of anything-- any phenomena at all-- being "outside"? (if such an idea is even rational or makes sense)

We can dismiss all such phenomena as unlikely in the extreme.

It's akin to asking "what is North of the North Pole?"

 

[We Never Know]

Good questions. I have no clue-- and I have never claimed to have a clue.

Perhaps you should ask someone who is

1) worried about it
2) actually qualified

I suggest Dr Neil Degrasse Tyson.

It could have been something, it could have been nothing. We don't know. To claim one over they other is making that claim by belief.

 

[Maximilian]

Nope. That's not what atheism is.

"Atheism [is] a direct answer to one of the most important metaphysical questions in philosophy of religion, namely, “Is there a God?” There are only two possible direct answers to this question: “yes”, which is theism, and “no”, which is atheism." -Stanford Encyclopedia (Bracket mine.)

 

[Road Warrior]

Good questions. I have no clue-- and I have never claimed to have a clue.

Perhaps you should ask someone who is

1) worried about it
2) actually qualified

I suggest Dr Neil Degrasse Tyson.

Or the works of the late Stephen Hawking.