Why is Islam so dangerous?

[danieldemol]

Baloney.

If you are including the link at the end as “baloney” you should at least read it first, then preferably comment on which parts of it you feel are baloney and why

 

[danieldemol]

If Ahmadiyya Muslims were the majority, Islam would be held in higher esteem.

If Ahmadiyya Muslims were the majority most of the danger would be taken out Islam, however as with any other fundamentalist religion there would still be plenty to critique

 

[Spirit of Light]

Would a normal religion drive a man to threaten to kill his apostate daughter in the UK?

The ex-Muslim Britons who are persecuted for being atheists

Ahmadiyya Muslims are a minority in Islam in saying that there should be no punishment in this life for apostasy and they emphasise that there should be no compulsion in religion. They are themselves regarded as heretics by some Sunni sects and persecuted in Pakistan.

If Ahmadiyya Muslims were the majority, Islam would be held in higher esteem.

When a left wing organisation such as the BBC produces a report on apostasy, you know it is a major concern.

And you continue to find small cases where a minority of Muslims do something wrong.
It is the same as if I said all right-wing peoples are Idiots, but that would not be correct, because many right-wing people are nice people too, they just got some radical ideas.

 

[Notanumber]

And you continue to find small cases where a minority of Muslims do something wrong.
It is the same as if I said all right-wing peoples are Idiots, but that would not be correct, because many right-wing people are nice people too, they just got some radical ideas.

I am only scratching the surface of Islam.

 

[Notanumber]

Baloney.

The truth hurts.

 

[Raymann]

Sharia is in my view not right way to rule. But i dont condem islam

What is Shariah?

Shariah is the set of rules Muslims use on every aspect of their lives in order to comply with Islam.
A Muslim who doesn't comply with Shariah is not a Muslim.
Therefore your statement doesn't make sense, if you think Shariah is not the right way to rule then you think Islam shouldn't even exist.
You cannot separate Shariah from Islam.

 

[Firemorphic]

Shariah is the set of rules Muslims use on every aspect of their lives in order to comply with Islam.

Shariah is not a legal system, it is a way of life that emanates inwardly from the individual's devotion to God on every aspect of their being, towards the outward communal level. It starts with God, then the individual's consciousness on every aspect of their being towards perfection, then the outward level of the collective sharing the same pure awareness, it is the expression of divine unity of the universe reflecting of it's creator. Shariah (as with Torah) is an equivalent of Dharma and Tao, when properly understood. Islam is holistic and entirely meaningful.
But knowing you, there's no purpose in going any deeper in explaining it though cause what I've just said will just fly right past you.

Therefore your statement doesn't make sense, if you think Shariah is not the right way to rule then you think Islam shouldn't even exist.

He means in the secular legalistic sense, as he doesn't understand what is really is, as with you.

You cannot separate Shariah from Islam.

That is absolutely true but absolutely not in the connotations you apply to it.

 

[Firemorphic]

I am only scratching the surface of Islam.

You've only ever and no wonder why , pity the fool.

 

[Notanumber]

You've only ever and no wonder why , pity the fool.

Pity the fool that has no freedom of thought.

 

[Raymann]

I know whatever I am gonna say won't change anyone's mind here. Everyone fights and nobody is really ready to change their minds.

I'm always willing to change my mind if you present convincing proof to back up your points.
I already changed my mind once as I am an "Agnostic" now.

I agree that Jihadists do heinous acts in the name of Islam. Yeah, there are people who kill Innocents in the name of Islam. Was it hard for me to say? No, because it's true.
But, saying it's only Islam speciality, that part I don't agree with.

I didn't say they are the ONLY ONES to do terrorism but they're certainly the masters at it.
Isn't suicide bombing a Muslim specialty?
Who else does it?
I heard that the Japanese pilots during the war used suicide attacks as a weapon but today only Muslims use suicide attacks as a weapon.
They have perfected it to a point that they use it in very different ways.
They can fly an airplane into a building, or drive a truck into innocent civilians and explode it.
They can start shooting randomly into crowded areas and when they're done they just hit the button and blow themselves up, etc, etc.

It's because of the media mostly. Whenever an act of terrorism in the name of Islam occurs, it's the whole muslim community who are to blame. But whenever, an act of terrorism in the name of Christianity occurs, it's always "alleged" and nothing to do with Christianity. On the contrary, if I say, those jihadists actions have nothing to do with Islam, who will believe me? no one.

False, no one blames all Muslims for the actions of a few terrorists.
Why do we know terrorist attacks are done in the name of Islam?
Very simple, when the ones committing the crimes claim they're doing it in the name of Islam, why shouldn't we believe them?
Can you provide proof of Christians committing terrorist attacks in the name of Jesus or Christianity?
Don't assume no one will believe you, we're here to discuss what we know and exchange facts, all you need to do is to prove your case.

Shariah is not a legal system

That is an incomplete and false statement.
You gave a good description of Shariah but started by making a false statement.
"Shariah is not ONLY a legal system" would have been a more accurate description.
Shariah has a legal system in it aside from rules on other aspects of Muslims lives.

But knowing you, there's no purpose in going any deeper in explaining it though cause what I've just said will just fly right past you.

You assume I would not understand your "deep explanation" based on the non-fact that you think that you know me.
Wow!
What part of what I said about Shariah leads you to believe I don't understand it?
You can make it sound very spiritual but the rules are very precise and the penalties for disobedience are also very specific.

He (Amanaki) means in the secular legalistic sense, as he doesn't understand what is really is,

He doesn't believe in the chopping of limbs, the stonings, and the lashes but he has to understand that is part of Shariah too. You cannot pick and choose the rules "Allah" set for Muslims.
I do understand that the ugly parts (in my personal opinion) are not the whole Shariah, just part of it.

Raymann said: ↑
You cannot separate Shariah from Islam.

That is absolutely true but absolutely not in the connotations you apply to it.

What "connotations" I applied to it?
Don't just throw things in the air if you're not going to explain them.

 

[Firemorphic]

That is an incomplete and false statement.
You gave a good description of Shariah but started by making a false statement.
"Shariah is not ONLY a legal system" would have been a more accurate description.
Shariah has a legal system in it aside from rules on other aspects of Muslims lives.

No, it straight-up isn't a system. A system can be postulated on upon it but there is no system in existence called "Sharia", period.

You assume I would not understand your "deep explanation" based on the non-fact that you think that you know me.
Wow!

Blahblahblah. You've posted 75 posts here, you're hardly a virgin here now, it's very easy to see your how you lack even the most basic understanding and dodge anyone who refutes you, straight-out deflection.

You can make it sound very spiritual

It's not me making it sound spiritual, it IS spiritual, mystical, philosophical, 100%. Do you have anything other than an instagram education?

He doesn't believe in the chopping of limbs, the stonings, and the lashes but he has to understand that is part of Shariah too. You cannot pick and choose the rules "Allah" set for Muslims.
I do understand that the ugly parts (in my personal opinion) are not the whole Shariah, just part of it.

That is wholly a strawman but nice try.

What "connotations" I applied to it?

Legal system, stuff about so-called apostates too I'm sure. Let me guess, we Muslims are trying to take over the world and we're gonna force our religion on to you who doesn't even give a **** about it to begin with? Sure, you'd probably get into bed with a few Wabbahis and have an orgy but you gotta put some decent arguments to the table.

 

[Notanumber]

It looks like Islam will have to reform if it is to survive in the West.

The curtain is beginning to slip.

 

[Raymann]

Sharia (/ʃəˈriːə/, Arabic: شريعة‎ [ʃaˈriːʕa])
Raymann said: ↑
Shariah has a legal system in it aside from rules on other aspects of Muslims lives.

No, it straight-up isn't a system. A system can be postulated on upon it but there is no system in existence called "Sharia", period.

Ok, so you don't wanna call it a system. I'm not the only one calling it a system.
See this BBC article:
What is Sharia?
Anyway, I'm willing to call it "a way of life" as you called it for the purpose of this discussion.

it's very easy to see your how you lack even the most basic understanding and dodge anyone who refutes you, straight-out deflection.

You are not paying attention, I have never refused any discussion nor dodge anyone who refutes me, they usually get silenced by the facts I bring into the discussion. You can only beat me with the truth and facts to back it up.

It's not me making it sound spiritual, it IS spiritual, mystical, philosophical, 100%. Do you have anything other than an instagram education?

You're not as smart as you think if you haven't noticed my education is well above average.

Raymann said: ↑
He doesn't believe in the chopping of limbs, the stonings, and the lashes but he has to understand that is part of Shariah too. You cannot pick and choose the rules "Allah" set for Muslims.
I do understand that the ugly parts (in my personal opinion) are not the whole Shariah, just part of it.

That is wholly a strawman but nice try.

Again, you're not going to win many arguments if you're unable to put and explain your disagreements into words.
You basically said nothing.

Legal system, stuff about so-called apostates too I'm sure. Let me guess, we Muslims are trying to take over the world and we're gonna force our religion on to you who doesn't even give a **** about it to begin with? Sure, you'd probably get into bed with a few Wabbahis and have an orgy but you gotta put some decent arguments to the table.

Well, I already said Shariah covers the legal system with some archaic rules that Allah hasn't been able to update for more than 1400 years.
Would it come as a surprise to you that an Islamic State requires people to convert or pay the jizya?
Haven't you read it in the Quran?
So far my arguments have beaten all the cheap shots thrown by the apologists.
I keep an open mind so all you need is to present convincing proof, I don't have a problem learning something new or admitting I'm wrong.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

What is Shariah?

Shariah is the set of rules Muslims use on every aspect of their lives in order to comply with Islam.
A Muslim who doesn't comply with Shariah is not a Muslim.
Therefore your statement doesn't make sense, if you think Shariah is not the right way to rule then you think Islam shouldn't even exist.
You cannot separate Shariah from Islam.

If we understand Shariah as being the legalistic bit, including the laws on criminal punishment, family law, etc., then one can absolutely separate Shariah from Islam. There is more than one definition of what is required to be a Muslim. Compliance with Shariah in the legalistic sense is far from the only definition.

 

[Raymann]

If we understand Shariah as being the legalistic bit, including the laws on criminal punishment, family law, etc., then one can absolutely separate Shariah from Islam. There is more than one definition of what is required to be a Muslim. Compliance with Shariah in the legalistic sense is far from the only definition.

Well, that's interesting.
When I said "Shariah cannot be separated from Islam", Firemorphic said pretty emphatically "That is absolutely true". and he claims to be a Muslim.
See the problem, you Muslims don't even understand your own religion,
I guess you can ignore parts of Shariah like most Muslim countries do but that is incomprehensible to me.
Why would a Muslim governed country ignore the rules sent directly by "Allah"?
Islam claims to be so perfect and that Shariah has all the answers to all modern problems but ...
they are afraid of their own God created rules,
What hypocrisy!

 

[Firemorphic]

Well, that's interesting.
When I said "Shariah cannot be separated from Islam", Firemorphic said pretty emphatically "That is absolutely true". and he claims to be a Muslim.
See the problem, you Muslims don't even understand your own religion,

Nothing The_Fisher_King said contradicted my statement, are you trying to be funny?

 

[Spirit of Light]

Nothing that we say will be good enough for Raymann, so why do we bother trying to say anything? This tread is the only one Raymann take part in. So it look like his agenda is to show hate toward Islam. And only his answer will ever be good enough.

 

[Notanumber]

@Raymann does seem to be winning the argument.

 

[Spirit of Light]

@Raymann does seem to be winning the argument.

Is he?

 

[Notanumber]

Is he?

He is not the one wanting to walk away from it.