I love science and religion

[Jim]

There's a kind of science, and there's a kind of religion, that I've always loved and that I think the world needs, but most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look like that to me. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of them, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

 

[whirlingmerc]

There's a kind of science, and there's a kind of religion, that I've always loved and that I think the world needs, but most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look like that to me. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of them, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

I know quite a few very accomplished scientist/engineers who are also religious

 

[charlie sc]

There's a kind of science, and there's a kind of religion, that I've always loved and that I think the world needs, but most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look like that to me. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of them, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

You disliking something doesn't make it false.

 

[Jim]

You disliking something doesn't make it false.

I’m wondering if you had some reason for thinking that I didn’t know that.

 

[charlie sc]

I’m wondering if you had some reason for thinking that I didn’t know that.

Sure.

but most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look like that to me. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of them, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

In bold are of note. I don't think I need to explain this

 

[sooda]

I know quite a few very accomplished scientist/engineers who are also religious

Do they claim the earth is 6,000 years old or that there was a global flood?

 

[whirlingmerc]

Do they claim the earth is 6,000 years old or that there was a global flood?

They have a range of views on that but many of the accomplished ones do.

And yourself?

I think Moses and Solomon would.

 

[Jim]

@charlie sc I'll try to explain more what I meant. I said that most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look to me like the kind of science or the kind of religion that I love. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of the kind of science and the kind of religion that I love, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

The kind of science that I love is people doing research and reporting it, honestly and responsibly. That's part of what I think the world needs. Most of what I see people calling "science" in public debating is whatever some people in their political faction are saying that the research says, which is never what the research actually says.

The kind of religion that I love is people using their religious lore and scriptures to help them live better lives. That's part of what I think the world needs. Most of what I see people calling "religion" in public debating is about people in one religion or another not using their lore and scriptures to help them live better lives.

 

[Jim]

@charlie sc Thanks. You helped me find a big piece to a puzzle.

 

[Jim]

There have been some discussions here about reconciling science and religion. The kind of science that I love is people doing research and reporting it, honestly and responsibly. The kind of religion that I love is people using their religious lore and scriptures to help them live better lives. I don't see anything there that needs to be reconciled. Does anyone see anything there that needs to be reconciled?

 

[charlie sc]

@charlie sc Thanks. You helped me find a big piece to a puzzle.

There have been some discussions here about reconciling science and religion. The kind of science that I love is people doing research and reporting it, honestly and responsibly. The kind of religion that I love is people using their religious lore and scriptures to help them live better lives. I don't see anything there that needs to be reconciled. Does anyone see anything there that needs to be reconciled?

Some religions may not be as nice as you want them to be. Some scientific evidence may not be as nice as you want them to be. Sometimes conflicts arise and it's up to us how we handle them. I'm not sure if reconciliation has applicability with two abstract concepts.

 

[Jim]

Some religions may not be as nice as you want them to be. Some scientific evidence may not be as nice as you want them to be. Sometimes conflicts arise and it's up to us how we handle them. I'm not sure if reconciliation has applicability with two abstract concepts.

Good point. I don't see anything that needs to be reconciled between the kind of religion and the kind of science that I think the world needs, but those are not what people are talking about, when they talk about reconciling science and religion or about conflicts between them. My answer to all that is no, I don't think they can be reconciled. Maybe what people are calling "science" and "religion" in public debating just needs to be ignored by anyone who wants to help solve any social problems, help downtrodden people, help improve the world, or any other kind of good that anyone might want to do.

 

[tas8831]

I think Moses and Solomon would.

Cool. And they lived when?

 

[Neutral Name]

I think that there was a global flood, scientifically. It is called the melting of the last ice age. Early man believed when bad things happened to them that the gods were angry with them for their behaviors. If the floods of the ice age were passed down for thousands of years by oral tradition, which used to be the way stories were passed down before writing, then, once there was recorded writing, various religions would have recorded it as a great flood brought on by God because of the sins of man. Also, by that time, many people had become monotheistic. So, it would have been changed from the gods to God.

 

[Neutral Name]

There's a kind of science, and there's a kind of religion, that I've always loved and that I think the world needs, but most of what I see people calling "science," and "religion" in public debating, doesn't look like that to me. It looks to me like cruel mockeries of them, defaming and discrediting them more than anything any detractors could ever say or do.

Can you explain more of what you believe. I believe in God and science. I believe that God and science are one but that scientists are not yet advanced enough to hove proven it. To me, it is all very interconnected. I love quantum physics. With quantum physics, scientists have found that there are alternate dimensions with different principles of space, time, energy and matter than we have in our reality. Also, I have many, many wonderful coincidences. I feel that I am connected to another dimension which I call God.

I can also discuss my beliefs about religions. i don't believe in any organized religion. I see too many faults in their doctrines and in the behaviors of many who claim to be religious. There are, however, good people from every religion. I have met some. Unfortunately, they are a very small percentage.

 

[Jim]

Can you explain more of what you believe.

Hi Diana. It isn’t about what I believe. The kind of science that I love is learning from experience, in ways that help us all live a better life. The kind of religion that I love is learning from the stories and scriptures of religions, in ways that help us all live a better life.

 

[sooda]

They have a range of views on that but many of the accomplished ones do.

And yourself?

I think Moses and Solomon would.

I think an educated person or any scientist can be religious. There's no way they could believe the earth is 6000 years old or that there was a global flood.

This literalism is fairly new … like futurism.

 

[ChristineM]

They have a range of views on that but many of the accomplished ones do.

And yourself?

I think Moses and Solomon would.

The vast majority (around 93%) of accomplished scientist have no belief in religion.

But there are a few who are both religious and accomplished scientists. In particular on this subject i think of Norman Borlaug and Raymond Damadian.

 

[sooda]

Can you explain more of what you believe. I believe in God and science. I believe that God and science are one but that scientists are not yet advanced enough to hove proven it. To me, it is all very interconnected. I love quantum physics. With quantum physics, scientists have found that there are alternate dimensions with different principles of space, time, energy and matter than we have in our reality. Also, I have many, many wonderful coincidences. I feel that I am connected to another dimension which I call God.

I can also discuss my beliefs about religions. i don't believe in any organized religion. I see too many faults in their doctrines and in the behaviors of many who claim to be religious. There are, however, good people from every religion. I have met some. Unfortunately, they are a very small percentage.

How are you on geology?

 

[sooda]

I think that there was a global flood, scientifically. It is called the melting of the last ice age. Early man believed when bad things happened to them that the gods were angry with them for their behaviors. If the floods of the ice age were passed down for thousands of years by oral tradition, which used to be the way stories were passed down before writing, then, once there was recorded writing, various religions would have recorded it as a great flood brought on by God because of the sins of man. Also, by that time, many people had become monotheistic. So, it would have been changed from the gods to God.

LOL.. the end of the ice age? Do you know how long that took? The earth wasn't flooded.