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Evolution & Creationism are both Faith & Supernatural based

So says your totally unbiased opinion. But in actuality. It's casting pearls when you start a conversation with people whose minds are so closed they won't even look at the other sides science. You claim it doesn't have. Yet that's bias not due to actual study.

It's like having a jury trial but only allowing oneself to hear the side you've predetermined to decide for regardless. Pointless to do the rest. It's not a test of truth just bias agenda. That never determines truth nor ever will.

Some day you will find yourself staring at the truth & have no excuse because it's plainly evident regardless of one's unwillingness to look at it. To look at FUNCTIONAL DESIGN & not acknowledge that always takes an Intelligent Designer is beyond common sense & reason & all of life's experience looking back at you in the mirror & you refusing to see what's so plainly obvious. That's also why evolution is so Faith & Supernatural based. For it not to have occurred by an Intelligent Designer takes more Faith & Supernatural than my common sense & reason does to acknowledge that plain truth. I'll go to some other thread where hopefully they actually search for truth with open mind & not close off everything except their biased agenda.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
So says your totally unbiased opinion. But in actuality. It's casting pearls when you start a conversation with people whose minds are so closed they won't even look at the other sides science. You claim it doesn't have. Yet that's bias not due to actual study.

Looked at the ID side of things and dismissed it due to lack of evidence, told you this before... so who's not listening?

It's like having a jury trial but only allowing oneself to hear the side you've predetermined to decide for regardless. Pointless to do the rest. It's not a test of truth just bias agenda. That never determines truth nor ever will.
Give me a break. Your not a martyr. It's a discussion which means differing opinions. Running off crying because people disagree with you is childish.

Some day you will find yourself staring at the truth & have no excuse because it's plainly evident regardless of one's unwillingness to look at it. To look at FUNCTIONAL DESIGN & not acknowledge that always takes an Intelligent Designer is beyond common sense & reason & all of life's experience looking back at you in the mirror & you refusing to see what's so plainly obvious. That's also why evolution is so Faith & Supernatural based. For it not to have occurred by an Intelligent Designer takes more Faith & Supernatural than my common sense & reason does to acknowledge that plain truth. I'll go to some other thread where hopefully they actually search for truth with open mind & not close off everything except their biased agenda.

Good luck finding one where everybody agrees with you. Show me some evidence for intelligent design and I will listen.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
So says your totally unbiased opinion. But in actuality. It's casting pearls when you start a conversation with people whose minds are so closed they won't even look at the other sides science. You claim it doesn't have. Yet that's bias not due to actual study.

It's like having a jury trial but only allowing oneself to hear the side you've predetermined to decide for regardless. Pointless to do the rest. It's not a test of truth just bias agenda. That never determines truth nor ever will.

Some day you will find yourself staring at the truth & have no excuse because it's plainly evident regardless of one's unwillingness to look at it. To look at FUNCTIONAL DESIGN & not acknowledge that always takes an Intelligent Designer is beyond common sense & reason & all of life's experience looking back at you in the mirror & you refusing to see what's so plainly obvious. That's also why evolution is so Faith & Supernatural based. For it not to have occurred by an Intelligent Designer takes more Faith & Supernatural than my common sense & reason does to acknowledge that plain truth. I'll go to some other thread where hopefully they actually search for truth with open mind & not close off everything except their biased agenda.


The problem with ID is that it is not science. People that are unaware of what science is can be easily taken in by the dishonest spiel of IDiots.

Here is a simple question for you: What reasonable test could refute ID? If you can't think of one then you cannot claim that ID is science since all scientific concepts need to be falsifiable. That means that there must be some reasonable test of one's beliefs that could show it to be wrong if it is wrong. There are many ways that the theory of evolution could be refuted, yet that has never happened to it.

Also if you cannot answer that question then you cannot claim that there is evidence for ID since in the science one cannot even have evidence unless one first has a testable hypothesis.

The ID supporters love to sound "sciency" but if one understands the basics of science one can quickly see through their nonsense. Would you care to learn the basics? For some reason they scare the bejesus out of creationists.
 
As I've said before but you continually ignore to do because it can't be done because it's impossible.

Sans what evolution says. Show me a real life example in history or present day where any functional Design ever occurred by Random trial & error w/o Intelligent Designer.

Same question for a computer program. See like DNA is except it repairs itself & reproduces itself & it's even 3D & can be read in. multiple directions. You can't do that either. Yet you claim you can't find any " rational" or "evidence". That certainly exposes your bias & your lack of honest research.

That's fine. You have the individual right to let bias agenda run your life. The exception is when you state its done by an academic honesty which you've proven its nothing of the sort.

Once you can prove to me real life situations like I've said then I'll believe macro evolution is possible. Micro is proven but it's a just so story that it builds up leading to macro. See your problem is evolution scientist hide so much of the truth from you you never hear it. You never hear how they pick & choice results they let out. They are so dishonest & that's not counting the proven frauds they still use to teach it.

Heck there have been so many experiments generating 50,000 & more of species directed by evolution & even with adaptations they never become anything besides what they originally are.

You see the same thing when using genetics to develop corn., wheat, roses dogs etc. You never get another species.

Miller- Usery was is a proven fraud. Funnier is as they've tried to create life with all their INTELLIGENT DESIGN those evolution scientist still can't produce life in the perfect lab setting but yet can snuggly tell us how it was created in an in perfect atmosphere which can't produce it now!!

Wake up out of your evolutionary programming & honestly look. But odds are you won't as you've continually proven. Your biased agenda & esp atheism is too important. Funny thing is. That doesn't determine truth.

Logic & common sense in experiments to show me the foundations evolution are built on is possible can't be done. But you refuse to see & admit the obvious. That's a sad commentary.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
As I've said before but you continually ignore to do because it can't be done because it's impossible.

What? Can't read this mess. You should have used the "Reply" button so people would know what you think who is ignoring you. If you are claiming that evolution is impossible you just put the burden of proof upon yourself.

Sans what evolution says. Show me a real life example in history or present day where any functional Design ever occurred by Random trial & error w/o Intelligent Designer.

Can't. Not because it is impossible. We can't do that because you have not properly defined your terms. What do you mean by "functional Design"? You need to give a working definition so that we can tell if something we are looking at is "functionally Designed" or not.

Same question for a computer program. See like DNA is except it repairs itself & reproduces itself & it's even 3D & can be read in. multiple directions. You can't do that either. Yet you claim you can't find any " rational" or "evidence". That certainly exposes your bias & your lack of honest research.

Complex is not evidence for design. This is a version of an argument from ignorance, a logical fallacy. If you could apply logic properly you would understand the errors that you are making.

That's fine. You have the individual right to let bias agenda run your life. The exception is when you state its done by an academic honesty which you've proven its nothing of the sort.

Oh my! Massive projection. Instead of smearing others why not learn the basics. Why not learn how to use the functions of this site?

Once you can prove to me real life situations like I've said then I'll believe macro evolution is possible. Micro is proven but it's a just so story that it builds up leading to macro. See your problem is evolution scientist hide so much of the truth from you you never hear it. You never hear how they pick & choice results they let out. They are so dishonest & that's not counting the proven frauds they still use to teach it.

Who cares what you believe? You want to be wrong. You won't even try to learn. We are just explaining how and why we know that you are wrong. Mostly because you use endless PRATT's and have no idea how to use logic properly.

Heck there have been so many experiments generating 50,000 & more of species directed by evolution & even with adaptations they never become anything besides what they originally are.

Of course. That is what the theory of evolution predicts. Once you are "something" you always remain that something. You are still an ape. Your ancestors did not evolve out of being apes. Your mother and father were apes, your grandfathers and grandmothers were apes, all the way back to the earliest of "apes" that is what you are. If we go further back we will simply have to say that like you all of your ancestors were mammals. Or do you think that you are not a mammal?

You see the same thing when using genetics to develop corn., wheat, roses dogs etc. You never get another species.

That is wrong. New species arise continually. We can even see speciation in action with ring species. Perhaps you do not know the meaning of the words that you use.

Miller- Usery was is a proven fraud. Funnier is as they've tried to create life with all their INTELLIGENT DESIGN those evolution scientist still can't produce life in the perfect lab setting but yet can snuggly tell us how it was created in an in perfect atmosphere which can't produce it now!!

Now that is actually a lie. On more than one level. The Miller-Urey experiment only set out to demonstrate that amino acids could form naturally. That was all that they tried to prove. Creationists at that time claimed even that was impossible. They still hate the fact that they were shown to be wrong, And not just once. When it was found that the atmosphere may not have been right the experiment was run again and again with various possible early Earth atmospheres. All of them produced amino acids. But that is the problem with science deniers. They know that they are wrong so they won't even admit to the smallest of facts that shows their errors:
Miller–Urey experiment - Wikipedia

Wake up out of your evolutionary programming & honestly look. But odds are you won't as you've continually proven. Your biased agenda & esp atheism is too important. Funny thing is. That doesn't determine truth.

More projection. People here have explained your errors to you. You are the one that is "programmed" from birth with myths. Tell me, why do you believe the myths of the Bible that were shown to be wrong long before Darwin came along?


Logic & common sense in experiments to show me the foundations evolution are built on is possible can't be done. But you refuse to see & admit the obvious. That's a sad commentary.

You do not appear to have the ability to reason logically. "Common sense" is never used in the sciences since that is a code term for one's own unsupported prejudices. People like you are amazed at how often "common sense" is shown to be wrong. Experiments all support the theory of evolution. But then you refuse to learn even the basics of science. I for one would gladly go over them with you. We don't even need to mention evolution. We can just discuss what science is, how it is done, and what and what is not evidence. I am betting that like all other creationists you will run away from this offer.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
As I've said before but you continually ignore to do because it can't be done because it's impossible.

No idea what you mean, the sentence makes no sense.

Sans what evolution says. Show me a real life example in history or present day where any functional Design ever occurred by Random trial & error w/o Intelligent Designer.

Once again I'm having a hard time understanding what ever it is you're trying to say but I'll try. I can't show you a design that doesn't have a designer, by definition they are designed but a lot of trial and error goes into most designs. What significance are you trying to place on this?

Same question for a computer program. See like DNA is except it repairs itself & reproduces itself & it's even 3D & can be read in. multiple directions. You can't do that either. Yet you claim you can't find any " rational" or "evidence". That certainly exposes your bias & your lack of honest research.

No idea what a computer program has to do with DNA so I'm skipping that bit. As for the 2nd part, you can't find "rational" or "evidence" for evolution so following your logic that exposes your bias and lack of honest research.

That's fine. You have the individual right to let bias agenda run your life. The exception is when you state its done by an academic honesty which you've proven its nothing of the sort.

What have I proven and how did I prove it?

Once you can prove to me real life situations like I've said then I'll believe macro evolution is possible. Micro is proven but it's a just so story that it builds up leading to macro. See your problem is evolution scientist hide so much of the truth from you you never hear it. You never hear how they pick & choice results they let out. They are so dishonest & that's not counting the proven frauds they still use to teach it.

Heck there have been so many experiments generating 50,000 & more of species directed by evolution & even with adaptations they never become anything besides what they originally are.

You see the same thing when using genetics to develop corn., wheat, roses dogs etc. You never get another species.

Miller- Usery was is a proven fraud. Funnier is as they've tried to create life with all their INTELLIGENT DESIGN those evolution scientist still can't produce life in the perfect lab setting but yet can snuggly tell us how it was created in an in perfect atmosphere which can't produce it now!!

Wake up out of your evolutionary programming & honestly look. But odds are you won't as you've continually proven. Your biased agenda & esp atheism is too important. Funny thing is. That doesn't determine truth.

Logic & common sense in experiments to show me the foundations evolution are built on is possible can't be done. But you refuse to see & admit the obvious. That's a sad commentary.

Hang on, not so long back you were insisting I should believe 1,000 scientists because they signed a document. Now scientists are dishonest and hiding stuff?

The foundations of evolution are solid, you simply don't understand them.

Atheism (or Theism for that matter) have nothing to do with evolution.

How life was 1st created has nothing to do with evolution.

Try writing shorter posts with one or two points, then proof read them and maybe I will be able to understand what you are trying to say....
 
Wow. You actually have to have Functional Design explained.

Well let's make this simple. A person could design something that looks amazing & complex. Yet despite that it's worthless. Why? Because it's only for show. It can't do anything functional...Its also like saying a cloud appears to look like a " whatever shape it looks like" yet in reality its nothing but appearance only because it can't function as the design it looks like.

A painting.could be the same. A painter could paint a complex design of a machine, bridge you name it. It appears designed. When it did take an Intellig e nice to paint that intricate design. It does mankind no good as the functional machine, bridge etc because it isn't functional design. It's only appealing due to its beauty etc which is appreciated due to individual taste anyway. Which BTW evolution has never been able to explain how morality, appreciation of art etc evolved. That's not part of this.

Evolution claims what looks designed is it only appears designed. The big big hole in that is that it actually FUNCTIONS & does & accomplishes what it's design is designed for it to do.

So that statement by evolutionist doesn't ring true. It would if a painting or drawing or cloud etc. They, drawing & designs just appear at that point. Despite taking Intelligence. Once built according to that Intelligent Design its now FUNCTIONAL DESIGN. So it's not just appears its moved way beyond that. It's fully FUNCTIONAL like it was Designed to do.

In reality & in history every Design that's FUNCTIONAL has ALWAYS taken an ID. Nothing that's FUNCTIONAL has ever been done by Random trial & error & w/o intelligence too involved.

So that's one reason I can never accept evolution. That is a foundational belief in evolution. Yet nothing in history or present day that FUNCTIONS has ever been designed & functions by random trial & error. There has never been a lab experiment showing its even possible.

All I hear is evolution insinuating & using just so stories saying that but no proof by actual scientific methods.

I ask computer programmers the same question. Can a computer program write itself by itself by Random trial & error w/o any Intelligence involved.

Geez DNA/RNA is by far the most complex computer program ever written & it runs all life. It can be read in many directions. It's 3D, repairs itself & reproduces. Yet evolution wants me to believe it created itself. When not one computer programmer has proven they can write themselves & don't require an Intelligent Designer. Ironically DNA/RNA now is still more complex than mankind can match & yet all of ours requires INTELKIGENT DESIGNER.

There is a major disconnect between reality & what evolution teaches & can't even back up by lab experiments.

See that's using common sense, logic & critical analysis not religion. It's using real life I see all around me & see from history. Yet I'm the one accused of being so stupid. Really?

Think about this too. If scientist are so sure how life came to be. Why haven't they been able to create it using their intelligence in perfect lab settings. Yet they have the audacity to teach it came about by producing itself by Random trial & error. Wow just Wow. This isn't a religion debate. It's good vs bad science & logic, common sense vs illogical non sense.

I'll be open once someone can prove by science lab experiments what I've asked. Otherwise I don't just take the words of something when critically analyzed doesn't make sense, is illogical & bad science.

Heck if anyone could ever produce that type lab experiment honestly & Repeat it. The world would be at your feet yet we all know it's impossible yet you've bought evolutions just so stories w/o actual lab science experiments to validate their words. That's true science.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
It's like having a jury trial but only allowing oneself to hear the side you've predetermined to decide for regardless.

Actually, it's nothing like a jury trial. In a jury trial, every case is different. In debates with people like you, it's rebutting the same old nonsense over and over.

It's much more akin to Groundhog Day (the movie) than it is to a trial.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
That's also why evolution is so Faith & Supernatural based. For it not to have occurred by an Intelligent Designer takes more Faith & Supernatural than my common sense & reason does to acknowledge that plain truth.
One of the things that I find hilarious is Fundies who have convinced themselves that belief in evolution comes from Faith & Supernatural.

It's almost as if they see themselves in a hole and must try to drag others into that same hole.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Sans what evolution says. Show me a real life example in history or present day where any functional Design ever occurred by Random trial & error w/o Intelligent Designer.


What do you mean "Sans what evolution says"? Without evolution I would not exist.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Logic & common sense in experiments to show me the foundations evolution are built on is possible can't be done. But you refuse to see & admit the obvious. That's a sad commentary.
One of the wonderful things about nature is that logic and common sense are not good enough to understand all of it.

Logic and common sense tells us the earth cannot be spinning at 1000 miles per hour at the equator. Logic and common sense tell us we'd all be thrown off into space if it did.

Do you have any more logical and common sense comments to make?
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Wow. You actually have to have Functional Design explained.

Well let's make this simple. A person could design something that looks amazing & complex. Yet despite that it's worthless. Why? Because it's only for show. It can't do anything functional...Its also like saying a cloud appears to look like a " whatever shape it looks like" yet in reality its nothing but appearance only because it can't function as the design it looks like.

A painting.could be the same. A painter could paint a complex design of a machine, bridge you name it. It appears designed. When it did take an Intellig e nice to paint that intricate design. It does mankind no good as the functional machine, bridge etc because it isn't functional design. It's only appealing due to its beauty etc which is appreciated due to individual taste anyway. Which BTW evolution has never been able to explain how morality, appreciation of art etc evolved. That's not part of this.

Evolution claims what looks designed is it only appears designed. The big big hole in that is that it actually FUNCTIONS & does & accomplishes what it's design is designed for it to do.

So that statement by evolutionist doesn't ring true. It would if a painting or drawing or cloud etc. They, drawing & designs just appear at that point. Despite taking Intelligence. Once built according to that Intelligent Design its now FUNCTIONAL DESIGN. So it's not just appears its moved way beyond that. It's fully FUNCTIONAL like it was Designed to do.

In reality & in history every Design that's FUNCTIONAL has ALWAYS taken an ID. Nothing that's FUNCTIONAL has ever been done by Random trial & error & w/o intelligence too involved.

So that's one reason I can never accept evolution. That is a foundational belief in evolution. Yet nothing in history or present day that FUNCTIONS has ever been designed & functions by random trial & error. There has never been a lab experiment showing its even possible.

All I hear is evolution insinuating & using just so stories saying that but no proof by actual scientific methods.

I ask computer programmers the same question. Can a computer program write itself by itself by Random trial & error w/o any Intelligence involved.

Geez DNA/RNA is by far the most complex computer program ever written & it runs all life. It can be read in many directions. It's 3D, repairs itself & reproduces. Yet evolution wants me to believe it created itself. When not one computer programmer has proven they can write themselves & don't require an Intelligent Designer. Ironically DNA/RNA now is still more complex than mankind can match & yet all of ours requires INTELKIGENT DESIGNER.

There is a major disconnect between reality & what evolution teaches & can't even back up by lab experiments.

See that's using common sense, logic & critical analysis not religion. It's using real life I see all around me & see from history. Yet I'm the one accused of being so stupid. Really?

Think about this too. If scientist are so sure how life came to be. Why haven't they been able to create it using their intelligence in perfect lab settings. Yet they have the audacity to teach it came about by producing itself by Random trial & error. Wow just Wow. This isn't a religion debate. It's good vs bad science & logic, common sense vs illogical non sense.

I'll be open once someone can prove by science lab experiments what I've asked. Otherwise I don't just take the words of something when critically analyzed doesn't make sense, is illogical & bad science.

Heck if anyone could ever produce that type lab experiment honestly & Repeat it. The world would be at your feet yet we all know it's impossible yet you've bought evolutions just so stories w/o actual lab science experiments to validate their words. That's true science.

Your post is very difficult to read and makes little sense because of the typos, bad grammar and various other errors. Sure we all make them but there are levels.... maybe pick one point and discuss it instead of a dozen or so in the one post. A start might be listing your best evidence for intelligent design.

For the umpteenth dozen times, no one knows how life first started, there are various ideas but no one claims they know for sure and how it started is not part of evolution. As for us super intelligent humans not being able to create life... we can't even create a plane that doesn't crash or an internet connection that doesn't drop out or millions of other things.

Most if not all inventions and computer programs are created by a process of trial and error. Do you really think someone sat down and just built the 1st car?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Wow. You actually have to have Functional Design explained.

Well let's make this simple. A person could design something that looks amazing & complex. Yet despite that it's worthless. Why? Because it's only for show. It can't do anything functional...Its also like saying a cloud appears to look like a " whatever shape it looks like" yet in reality its nothing but appearance only because it can't function as the design it looks like.

A painting.could be the same. A painter could paint a complex design of a machine, bridge you name it. It appears designed. When it did take an Intellig e nice to paint that intricate design. It does mankind no good as the functional machine, bridge etc because it isn't functional design. It's only appealing due to its beauty etc which is appreciated due to individual taste anyway. Which BTW evolution has never been able to explain how morality, appreciation of art etc evolved. That's not part of this.

Evolution claims what looks designed is it only appears designed. The big big hole in that is that it actually FUNCTIONS & does & accomplishes what it's design is designed for it to do.

So that statement by evolutionist doesn't ring true. It would if a painting or drawing or cloud etc. They, drawing & designs just appear at that point. Despite taking Intelligence. Once built according to that Intelligent Design its now FUNCTIONAL DESIGN. So it's not just appears its moved way beyond that. It's fully FUNCTIONAL like it was Designed to do.

In reality & in history every Design that's FUNCTIONAL has ALWAYS taken an ID. Nothing that's FUNCTIONAL has ever been done by Random trial & error & w/o intelligence too involved.

So that's one reason I can never accept evolution. That is a foundational belief in evolution. Yet nothing in history or present day that FUNCTIONS has ever been designed & functions by random trial & error. There has never been a lab experiment showing its even possible.

All I hear is evolution insinuating & using just so stories saying that but no proof by actual scientific methods.

I ask computer programmers the same question. Can a computer program write itself by itself by Random trial & error w/o any Intelligence involved.

Geez DNA/RNA is by far the most complex computer program ever written & it runs all life. It can be read in many directions. It's 3D, repairs itself & reproduces. Yet evolution wants me to believe it created itself. When not one computer programmer has proven they can write themselves & don't require an Intelligent Designer. Ironically DNA/RNA now is still more complex than mankind can match & yet all of ours requires INTELKIGENT DESIGNER.

There is a major disconnect between reality & what evolution teaches & can't even back up by lab experiments.

See that's using common sense, logic & critical analysis not religion. It's using real life I see all around me & see from history. Yet I'm the one accused of being so stupid. Really?

Think about this too. If scientist are so sure how life came to be. Why haven't they been able to create it using their intelligence in perfect lab settings. Yet they have the audacity to teach it came about by producing itself by Random trial & error. Wow just Wow. This isn't a religion debate. It's good vs bad science & logic, common sense vs illogical non sense.

I'll be open once someone can prove by science lab experiments what I've asked. Otherwise I don't just take the words of something when critically analyzed doesn't make sense, is illogical & bad science.

Heck if anyone could ever produce that type lab experiment honestly & Repeat it. The world would be at your feet yet we all know it's impossible yet you've bought evolutions just so stories w/o actual lab science experiments to validate their words. That's true science.
Can you try again in English please. This is an unreadable mess. But let me help you., examples are not definitions.

Here is a simple question. You have two objects how do you tell if one is "Designed" or not? Complexity does not indicate design.


Of course the problem is that you do not appear to have any education in the sciences or logical reasoning at all. As a result all that you have been able to do hear is to wildly wave your hands. That is not very convincing.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
I think I'm picking up a pattern.

1. I should ignore all scientists because they are dishonest and wrong unless their ideas agree with his then I must believe them.
2. I should ignore all evidence for evolution and only consider evidence for ID otherwise I'm being biased.

Is there anything I've missed?
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
I think I'm picking up a pattern.

1. I should ignore all scientists because they are dishonest and wrong unless their ideas agree with his then I must believe them.
2. I should ignore all evidence for evolution and only consider evidence for ID otherwise I'm being biased.

Is there anything I've missed?
You can break down the details of creationist arguments further, but I think all that still falls under one or the other of the two major points you have identified here. I never know whether to refer to them as arguments, since they most often take the form of assertions that are offered as universal facts and rarely discussed or supported in a traditional argument.

If this guy were a public speaker, he would not be engaging his audience. He would have his back to them and be talking to nothing. It is a rude, condescending and bizarre approach that immediately alienates and confuses the people he is supposed to be involved with.

I do not know how he could have been a PE teacher/coach. How do you teach children and coach them if you will not engage them, but rather shout your orders at the floor?
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
I think I'm picking up a pattern.

1. I should ignore all scientists because they are dishonest and wrong unless their ideas agree with his then I must believe them.
2. I should ignore all evidence for evolution and only consider evidence for ID otherwise I'm being biased.

Is there anything I've missed?
On another thread, a creationist has characterized his view of science as good or bad science. This fits well with your points here. Good science is any science that does not conflict or contradict creationist belief. Gravity seems to be one of those often cited as an example. Bad science is any science that conflicts or contradicts creationist belief. Obviously, the theory of evolution is the immediate candidate for that office under the Creationist ticket.
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
Can you try again in English please. This is an unreadable mess. But let me help you., examples are not definitions.

Here is a simple question. You have two objects how do you tell if one is "Designed" or not? Complexity does not indicate design.


Of course the problem is that you do not appear to have any education in the sciences or logical reasoning at all. As a result all that you have been able to do hear is to wildly wave your hands. That is not very convincing.
There are many reasons that his posts come out incomprehensible. It could be contrived and on purpose. That sort of implies a suspicious nature on my part, but having dealt with creationists for so long and seen them throw out their own values, I think the evidence leads to the suspicion and not my nature. He could have technical difficulties with his equipment and software, though I have not seen it expressed to this degree. He could be medically impaired, but that could be solved by being succinct and limiting his discussion to fewer points. He could mentally be impaired. I do not know the cause, but the effect is certainly incomprehensible to a high degree.
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
You can break down the details of creationist arguments further, but I think all that still falls under one or the other of the two major points you have identified here. I never know whether to refer to them as arguments, since they most often take the form of assertions that are offered as universal facts and rarely discussed or supported in a traditional argument.

If this guy were a public speaker, he would not be engaging his audience. He would have his back to them and be talking to nothing. It is a rude, condescending and bizarre approach that immediately alienates and confuses the people he is supposed to be involved with.

I do not know how he could have been a PE teacher/coach. How do you teach children and coach them if you will not engage them, but rather shout your orders at the floor?

Hi Dan,

I forgot #3. Never question anything he says because that makes me stupid.

I had a PE teacher in High School who would tell us to go out and play cricket for 80 minutes while he sat at his desk reading and smoking lol
 
You know why in this case it's not like a trial with a jury. It's because you refuse to look at & read the other sides science arguments. Don't give me all your excuses I've heard em for many yrs.

In debates a good one knows both sides so well if the teacher suddenly asked the debaters to change sides. They could do it because they know the others material so well. Your problem is you think you do but don't at all & I'll prove it to you.

The one key thing evolution MUST have is millions & billions of years. I know how they cherry pick age results & filter out anything contrary to the biased agenda. Plus they also have it already preset to fit in their parameters & force fit if need be.

What's really throwing them now is finding tissue with blood in dinosaurs, name started in 1800's, were called dragons before that time which you find in ancient writings, paintings etc. Which are perfect representations of something that supposedly died off 65 million yrs before mankind appeared. That does cause a dating problem for you big time. But you always use your cover up strategies & instead of going honestly where the science leads. Your bias leads.

Anyway that was an aside.

How thoroughly have you actually covered the science that backs up a young earth? I mean seriously. Not mockingly. My bet is none at all. My bet is you couldn't give much less describe hardly if any of those science points. Which means you haven't thoroughly researched the subject & esp since its so key. There is one article that has put in one place 101 evidences for a young earth. Also within that article & each point are links to other articles to further enhance ones ability to understand what they are saying in more ways. It isn't written in deep scientific jargon to confuse the avg reader. But written so the avg reader can understand it. That should be the goal always for a writer. Not to write so to impress colleague's with verbose language but everyday reader can understand the points being made.

I'd list the article. But you aren't interested in reading it or studying it for real honest academic research. Plus if you want to find it. You can search for & find it. It's done by creation.com or creationministriesinternational

A couple of my favorites are about how the diamond on one's special others hand is proof of young earth. Plus how MT St Helens explosion has helped validate Noahs. Flood. ICR has articles on that too.

There are many more. But I'm wasting my breath.

See I learned that about debate when it happened to me in my class once. I never forgot that lesson. So the problem is I've really read & studied your side. But your science wording shows it gives just so stories. It can't handle the rebuttals etc the other side has. You on the other hand haven't truly done what I have so you don't know.

We will see now if truly interested. My money is you aren't. I'll get attacked & you won't read info given for you to look for & read. Have a Blessed Sunday & Memorial Day. The Day that honors those that gave the ultimate for us to enjoy what no other country has. Sadly Dems & leftist want to take it all away. My Dad was WWII vet & he really taught me how to love & appreciate this country. Blessings to any of you who served &/or have had relatives that served & esp those that gave the ultimate gift. John 15:13.
 

ecco

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You know why in this case it's not like a trial with a jury. It's because you refuse to look at & read the other sides science arguments. Don't give me all your excuses I've heard em for many yrs.

I'm glad to be an inspiration to you and your writing capabilities. I told you that the folks on this forum have heard all the creo fundy arguments before. Apparently, you thought that was such a good argument that you tried to turn it around.
 
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