Atheism is a RELIGION

[Matheist]

Not a single thing you've written here addresses my actual arguments. Nothing you've posted renders atheism a religion.

I did and you merely address the issue of "lack of belief", which Dawkins defined as "equiprobable, skeptic, and improbable"... which means "belief in Gods".

You absolutely ignore the issue of "disbelief in Gods", which infers the set of atheist's belief to counter the belief in Nature's God.

Accordingly, it is Strawman Fallacy. #151

Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32 #37 #41

 

[ratiocinator]

Yes, in the light of lack of evidence, stronger atheism is more of a religious bend, if religion is blind faith. But a better OP would be "Atheism lacks evidence!"

Lack of belief in some proposition(s), does not require evidence, it just requires that the evidence or arguments offered for the proposition are insufficient.

Burden of proof (philosophy)
Russell's teapot

 

[viole]

And science produced the human mind which produced scientists?

I doubt. If that were the case, I am sure it would have produced brains tuned naturally towards truth and, therefore, not needing science to start with.

Ciao

- viole

 

[ChristineM]

You are brainwashed and being educated. You have no intellect. Let's not confuse education with intelligence. Explain.

Reported

 

[ratiocinator]

I've given the rebuttal argument at #6

You don't really get logic, do you?

Nothing you've posted has established that atheism fits with the definition of religion. You have confused a level of confidence (probability) with a conclusion (lack of belief) thereby erroneously concluding that atheists believe in god(s) and then confused belief (in god) with religion - which (according to the definition) involves more than just a belief.

I'm still curious as to why you seem so desperate to make this rather silly claim...

 

[Matheist]

Reported

Simply because you cannot understand the difference between "Education" and "Intellect". You can do better than this.

You claim the value of everything is "0". Therefore proves:

1. Energy can be created
2. Energy cannot be destroyed
3. Energy cannot be transferred.​

 

[ChristineM]

Simply because you cannot understand the difference between "Education" and "Intellect". You can do better than this.

The rules of this forum are for you as well as everyone else.

Rules & Guidelines | Religious Forums

 

[Matheist]

You don't really get logic, do you?

Nothing you've posted has established that atheism fits with the definition of religion. You have confused a level of confidence (probability) with a conclusion (lack of belief) thereby erroneously concluding that atheists believe in god(s) and then confused belief (in god) with religion - which (according to the definition) involves more than just a belief.

I'm still curious as to why you seem so desperate to make this rather silly claim...

Already did, please read here #151

Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32 #37 #41

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I did and you merely address the issue of "lack of belief", which Dawkins defined as "equiprobable, skeptic, and improbable"... which means "belief in Gods".

Sigh...

No, "lack of belief" covers a range of responses, such as "I'm not sure if there is a God" and "I'm not sure what a God is" and "I am absolutely certain that there is no God". Thus, atheism doesn't necessarily imply any one of those responses but is an umbrella term covering all of those, so the only common factor between them is a "lack of faith in a God or Gods". That's it.

You absolutely ignore the issue of "disbelief in Gods", which infers the set of atheist's belief to counter the belief in Nature's God.

Because "lack of belief" also covers "disbelief".

Accordingly, it is Strawman Fallacy.

I'm not sure you known what a strawman fallacy is.

 

[Matheist]

The rules of this forum are for you as well as everyone else.

Rules & Guidelines | Religious Forums

You raise that issue because you cannot prove:

1. Energy can be created
2. Energy cannot be destroyed
3. Energy cannot be transferred.​

Yes? No?

 

[Matheist]

Sigh...

No, "lack of belief" covers a range of responses, such as "I'm not sure if there is a God" and "I'm not sure what a God is" and "I am absolutely certain that there is no God". Thus, atheism doesn't necessarily imply any one of those responses but is an umbrella term covering all of those, so the only common factor between them is a "lack of faith in a God or Gods". That's it.


Because "lack of belief" also covers "disbelief".


I'm not sure you known what a strawman fallacy is.

Therefore, Atheism is a Religion. That's my point.

 

[Matheist]

I'm still curious as to why you seem so desperate to make this rather silly claim...

Because I'm a Matheist. ... I make all gods same god. That is my religion, QURANIC ANIMISM.

He made all gods same god. (Quran 38:5)​

so there is no point for an Atheist to feel they are SUPREME or better than anyone else in this world when they themselves are living their "Magical Fairies", deluded.

1. What is mind (consciousness)?

2. Can your senses be trusted?

3. Are your dreams real or lie?

4. If it lied to you in your dream, how can you be certain it is not lying to you in this reality?

Can you prove all these or living your life with magical fairies?

ELSE, what then gives you the right to condemn their gods, religions and their way of life?

What makes an Atheist SUPREME than religious people?

That sound very religious to me.


Therefore: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods.

 

[ratiocinator]

Already did, please read here #151

Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32 #37 #41

I have read them and none of them go anywhere near supporting your conclusion. You really don't seem to understand the definitions you keep posting.

atheism Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

religion The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Therefore, atheism is the lack of the first requirement needed for a religion. This is really simple.

 

[lukethethird]

If you don't know the Reality/Metaphysics, then you don't have the Knowledge/Epistemology... and everything you said has no Value/Axiology. It is nonsense and delusional.

Yes, is that not the point of this thread?

 

[Matheist]

I have read them and none of them go anywhere near supporting your conclusion. You really don't seem to understand the definitions you keep posting.

atheism Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

religion The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Therefore, atheism is the lack of the first requirement needed for a religion. This is really simple.

So you have dismissed part of the definition of god, religion, belief etc that applies to Atheism? ... That is Strawman Fallacy.

 

[Matheist]

Yes, is that not the point of this thread?

You mean argument with a stone?

Please read here #151

Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32 #37 #41

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The elements from the official definition of Atheism

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

1. Atheism is a disbelief in the existence of God or gods.

1. Natural Order
2. Nature's God
3. Accordingly you must have the "set of atheist's belief" to counter the belief in Nature's God (Fact / Natural Order)

So what is your counterargument against Nature's God?

It is your burden of proof since not choosing Nature's God IS A CHOICE, for being rebellious against the Nature's God and Natural Order.
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OR

2. Atheism is the lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

1. Without belief in God
2. Belief in Gods
3. Disbelief in Gods

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE. = includes the belief in Gods

Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL. = includes the belief in Gods

De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE. = includes the belief in Gods

Nothing said about FACT, but mere system of belief.​

So how is your argument address the issue from the official definition of Atheism? It is strawman fallacy.

You quoted me, but your reply didn't seem to have anything to do with my post.

 

[Matheist]

You quoted me, but your reply didn't seem to have anything to do with my post.

Do you understand the word "OR"?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Do you understand the word "OR"?

You're batting 0 for 2. Maybe try reading posts before you hit "reply."

 

[SkepticThinker]

The official definition of Atheism #151

atheism. n. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.​

Conclusion

1. It is a religious claim, and not rooted in science, logic, philosophy etc.

2. The claim for belief in God (The Dawkin's Scale *)

3. The claim for disbelief in God

4. The claim for without belief in God

(vs. not making a choice when everything has its causes and effects, IS A CHOICE - Burden of Proof)​

* There are 320,000,000 Gods

Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.

Atheism is a Religion.



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Premise 1: Who is an Atheist?

Pure Agnostic: God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.
Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.
De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

Premise 2: "Equiprobable, skeptical, improbable" means:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)​

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Conclusion: Atheism is a religion with 320,000,000 Gods
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4. Pure Agnostic

God's existence and non-existence are exactly EQUIPROBABLE.​

equiprobable: (of two or more things) equally likely to occur; having EQUAL PROBABILITY.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

5. Weak Atheist

I do not know whether God exists, but I'm declined to be SKEPTICAL.​

skeptical​

1. not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations.
2. relating to the theory that certain knowledge is impossible.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.​

6. De-facto Atheist

I cannot know for certain, but I think God is very IMPROBABLE.​

improbable​

1. not likely to be true or to happen.

synonyms: unlikely, not likely, doubtful, dubious, debatable, questionable, uncertain;
More: unexpected and apparently inauthentic.​

Therefore:

1. Disbelief in God(s)
2. Belief in God(s)
3. Therefore, the definition of Atheism asserts the belief in 320,000,000 Gods.
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Atheism is a Religion . #6 #32 #37 #41

Could you explain why atheism is a religion, because I don't see any explanation here.

Atheists don't "assert the believe in 320,000,000 Gods." That doesn't make sense.

Oh, and how do are you defining "religion?"