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The Bible, Not As Original As You'd Think

ChristineM

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
InChrist said:
Scholars that are professional and honest in their academic profession of religion and history

1. Professional scholars unanimously reject the claim that Jesus is a pagan copy.

Today just about every scholar in the relevant historical specializations unanimously rejects the notion that Jesus is a copy of pagan gods. It seems that the available evidence has persuaded them against these alleged parallels. For instance, T.N.D Mettinger of Lund University opines:


“There is, as far as I am aware, no prima facie evidence that the death and resurrection of Jesus is a mythological construct…”


Warner Wallace, a former homicide detective, who himself looked into the allegations found that “The more you examine the nature of the gods who were worshiped before Jesus, the more you will notice their dissimilarities and the dishonesty of trying to compare them to the historical Jesus.”


Professor Ronald Nash, a prominent philosopher and theologian notes in his writing ‘Was the New Testament Influenced by Pagan Religions?’: “Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth—at least during its early stages.” Nash then goes on to say,


“Today most Bible scholars regard the question as a dead issue.”


Another leading New Testament scholar Professor Craig Keener writes that: “When you make the comparisons, you end up with a whole lot more differences than you do similarities.”


JZ Smith, a historian of religion and Hellenistic religions claims that:


“The idea of dying and rising gods is largely a misnomer based on imaginative reconstructions and exceedingly late or highly ambiguous texts.”


Michael Bird, who is on the editorial board for the Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus, as well is a Fellow of the Centre for Public Christianity, clearly shows his annoyance when he writes:


“Now I am normally a cordial and collegial chap, but to be honest, I have little time or patience to invest in debunking the wild fantasies of “Jesus mythicists”, as they are known. That is because, to be frank, those of us who work in the academic profession of religion and history simply have a hard time taking them seriously.”
22 Reasons All Scholars Agree Jesus Is Not A Copy Of Pagan Gods
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Ahh, another apologetics site with out validation or peer review. Worthless as an academic source

Facts are facts and in this case they are written in stone
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Audie said:
Well, I am so impressed! And he kept it hidden so we will
never know?
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Revealed now and not hidden for anyone who sincerely seeks to know.

For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister.

I now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up in my flesh what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ, for the sake of His body, which is the church, of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles:which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus. To this end I also labor, striving according to His working which works in me mightily. Colossians 1;19-20
 
robocop (actually)

robocop (actually)

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Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

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InChrist said:
Scholars that are professional and honest in their academic profession of religion and history

1. Professional scholars unanimously reject the claim that Jesus is a pagan copy.
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Again: By "professional" you mean anyone who makes gobs and gobs of Cash-Money, perpetuating the Jesus Myth.

Right?
 
Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
robocop (actually) said:
A lot of this has been debunked...

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity

There don't seem to be so many similarities and some things make sense from a religious perspective since Pharaoh wanted to recreate the Priesthood but could only do so artificially.

After some Internet searching, I am not convinced.
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"Debunked"? Seriously? Consider the source of your ... ahem... "debunking".

What does he have to gain? What does he have to lose?

Can anything he says be trusted?
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Bob the Unbeliever said:
You cannot use your claim to "prove" your claim... just so you know.

That's a Logical Fallacy.
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Just expressing my thoughts on the subject and using the scriptures, but not trying to prove anything to the point of convincing anyone who has no desire to believe or know about God anyway.
 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
[For everyone's information, I didn't create the list]

Thoughts?

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Not true

On closer examination, Horus isn’t much like Jesus after all. It’s not unusual for the characteristics of ancient pre-Christian deities to be exaggerated in an effort to make them sound like Jesus. The first step in refuting such claims is to simply investigate the attributes carefully. Beyond this, we must also recognize the expectations and yearnings people have related to the existence of God.

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity
 
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whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
ChristineM said:
Ahh, another apologetics site with out validation or peer review. Worthless as an academic source

Facts are facts and in this case they are written in stone
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And non facts are non facts

Claim: Horus was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds.
Truth: There is no reference to a cave or manger in the Egyptian birth story of Horus.

Claim: Horus attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30.
Truth: There is no continuous effort in the Horus mythology to account for all these years, so there are no real gaps in the chronology. Horus never taught in any temple at twelve (as did Jesus).

Claim: Horus was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded.
Truth: Horus was never baptized.

Claim: Horus had 12 disciples.
Truth: Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’),

Claim: Horus performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, and walked on water.
Truth: Horus certainly performed miracles (he was, after all, described as a god). But there was no mention of exorcizing demons, raising people from the dead or walking on water.

Claim: Horus was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”.
Truth: No one in Egyptian history was ever called “Iusa” (the word does not exist) nor was anyone called “Holy Child”.

Claim: Horus delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings. He was transfigured on the Mount.
Truth: Horus never delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, nor was he transfigured.

Claim: Horus was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected.
Truth: Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of Egyptian narratives.

Claim: Horus was called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”.
Truth: None of these titles are in Egyptian history,

Claim: Horus was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Truth: Some of conspiracy theorists associate Horus with fish (by virtue of the fact that Horus was a fish in some portion of the ancient narrative), but there is no evidence Horus was ever called a “fisher” or was ever associated with the Lion or the Lamb.

Claim: Horus came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years.
Truth: There was no Egyptian “law” for Horus to fulfill, and there is no mention of a thousand year reign in Egyptian mythology.

Is Jesus Simply a Retelling of the Horus Mythology? | Cold Case Christianity
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
Scholars that are professional and honest in their academic profession of religion and history

1. Professional scholars unanimously reject the claim that Jesus is a pagan copy.

Today just about every scholar in the relevant historical specializations unanimously rejects the notion that Jesus is a copy of pagan gods. It seems that the available evidence has persuaded them against these alleged parallels. For instance, T.N.D Mettinger of Lund University opines:


“There is, as far as I am aware, no prima facie evidence that the death and resurrection of Jesus is a mythological construct…”


Warner Wallace, a former homicide detective, who himself looked into the allegations found that “The more you examine the nature of the gods who were worshiped before Jesus, the more you will notice their dissimilarities and the dishonesty of trying to compare them to the historical Jesus.”


Professor Ronald Nash, a prominent philosopher and theologian notes in his writing ‘Was the New Testament Influenced by Pagan Religions?’: “Allegations of an early Christian dependence on Mithraism have been rejected on many grounds. Mithraism had no concept of the death and resurrection of its god and no place for any concept of rebirth—at least during its early stages.” Nash then goes on to say,


“Today most Bible scholars regard the question as a dead issue.”


Another leading New Testament scholar Professor Craig Keener writes that: “When you make the comparisons, you end up with a whole lot more differences than you do similarities.”


JZ Smith, a historian of religion and Hellenistic religions claims that:


“The idea of dying and rising gods is largely a misnomer based on imaginative reconstructions and exceedingly late or highly ambiguous texts.”


Michael Bird, who is on the editorial board for the Journal for the Study of the Historical Jesus, as well is a Fellow of the Centre for Public Christianity, clearly shows his annoyance when he writes:


“Now I am normally a cordial and collegial chap, but to be honest, I have little time or patience to invest in debunking the wild fantasies of “Jesus mythicists”, as they are known. That is because, to be frank, those of us who work in the academic profession of religion and history simply have a hard time taking them seriously.”
22 Reasons All Scholars Agree Jesus Is Not A Copy Of Pagan Gods
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In other words, hand-picked scholars who've dismissed the parallels due to their own religious bias.
 
Prestor John

Prestor John

Well-Known Member
Skwim said:
[For everyone's information, I didn't create the list]

Thoughts?

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The events that would befall the Lord Jesus Christ during His mortal sojourn were known to Adam and all the holy prophets before His birth.

Descendants of Ham who apostatized formed their own twisted version of His mortal life that had already been revealed since our first parents.

The story of Horus is a distorted version of the events of the life of the Lord Jesus Christ which have been known since before the Earth was formed.
 
Augustus

Augustus

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Skwim said:
Not at all sure, but my guess would be most.

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Oh well, at least you'll have gotten used to being wrong by now.

One of the most famous stories about "the virgin" Isis is that she crafted a magical golden cock for her husband, Osiris.

Maybe she only fancied it up the arse though, so she could have still been a virgin...
 
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