Atheists, where did the universe come from?

[QuestioningMind]

And that suffices for you?

Until actual answers are found it will HAVE to suffice. Unless of course you moronically choose to make up answers for all of the questions you don't have an real answer for.

 

[paarsurrey]

It is the only proper answer right now. God did it is not an explanation for anything. It is no different from saying Pixies did it.

"God did it "

This is an expression used in situations where most often humans don't find any human hand doing or making it.
The humans did not create the Universe, so it is most appropriate to use the expression "God did it". Right, please?

Regards

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Two things: the easy one is that the 15 billion light year figure is the *radius*, not the diameter.

Second: Some care is required here because light takes time to travel. We see light from objects that were less than about 15 billion light years from us *when they emitted the light*. But, because of the expansion of the universe, those objects are *now* farther away than that. The light we are seeing was from 15 billion years ago, but those galaxies we see are *now* approximately 47 billion light years away (of course, we don't see than as they are now--it will take light another 47 billion years to reach us from where they are now).

So, there is a very real sense in which the 'observable universe' is *now* about 47 billion light years in radius, or 94 billion light years across.

Thank you! As a layman and "armchair" cosmology hobbyist, I will bow to your superior schooling.

I had totally forgotten about the expansion factor--- silly me, thinking in "algebraic" terms, when I should have been using "calculus" instead. In this case, a literal moving goalpost.

I will endeavor to remember for the future.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

And who actually believe in Santa Claus?.

Indeed. Now do you see? No? Well.... maybe in another generation?

Do you celebrate Christmas or are you living in another world?

Do I celebrate the Pagan-rooted Giftmas holiday? Inspired by pagans exchanging gifts during Winter Solstice? Who also put up live evergreens as a Tribute to the Gods Of Spring? Including holly-berries, mistletoe and candles?

Or did you have some other event in mind?

 

[Audie]

So why *don't* people believe in Santa Claus? In what way is the evidence for God any better than that for Santa?



Huh? Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Especially those in societies that are not primarily Christian.

Generally, I try to ignore it when Christmas comes around, but the dominance of that particular religious expression is difficult to avoid. Stores tend to be closed on that day for some strange reason.

These people who think they own Christmas!!

At some point they injected their sky-god figure into
the midwinter festival, but, as they say, "lets put christ
back in christmas", a tacit agreement that they dont
own it.

It is not about their "god'.

We love Christmas in Hong Kong! And it sure is not
a "Christian" society.

Look!

 

[paarsurrey]

We don't know - but scientists are working on where the universe came from.

Please quote from a Science Textbook that the subject of Who created the Universe, is under active research of the scientists. And if yes, under what discipline of science, please?

Regards

 

[stvdv]

Also it is "measured" by observing the radiation from the Big Bang itself. They compared the observe pattern from the pattern predicted by theory different models. If you have an hour a lecture by Lawrence Krauss goes into far more detail than I can:

Thanks for the youtube, I am curious. Your other link on debating was very informative, so I trust this one to be good also.

 

[MonkeyFire]

There is no start to the universe.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Physics. Nothing comes out of nothing. Universe cannot come out of nothing.

A. We don't know if it came "from nothing"
B. We don't know if universes CAN'T come out of nothing. Virtal particles come from nothing, universal expansion appears to come from nothing, so maybe universes can?

So we don't know where the universe came from, or by what mechanism. But invoking God every time you don't know the answer to something has a long history of embarrassing people later on when more information comes to light.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"God did it "

This is an expression used in situations where most often humans don't find any human hand doing or making it.
The humans did not create the Universe, so it is most appropriate to use the expression "God did it". Right, please?

Regards

No, once again one might as well say Pixies did it since the evidence for both appears to be the same.

 

[FearGod]

Indeed. Now do you see? No? Well.... maybe in another generation?



Do I celebrate the Pagan-rooted Giftmas holiday? Inspired by pagans exchanging gifts during Winter Solstice? Who also put up live evergreens as a Tribute to the Gods Of Spring? Including holly-berries, mistletoe and candles?

Or did you have some other event in mind?

I believe in God and I don't celebrate in any event.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe in God and I don't celebrate in any event.

Which "God"? There are thousands.

 

[FearGod]

These people who think they own Christmas!!

At some point they injected their sky-god figure into
the midwinter festival, but, as they say, "lets put christ
back in christmas", a tacit agreement that they dont
own it.

It is not about their "god'.

We love Christmas in Hong Kong! And it sure is not
a "Christian" society.

Look!

Regardless of the reason behind it, it's a pleasure time to have a celebration than none.

 

[FearGod]

Which "God"? There are thousands.

No specific God, we made God as thousands while Gd is just one.

 

[Willamena]

At the risk of repeating, I did read a sci fi that did deal with
whether the universe is infinite.

they got is a space ship to go see...went really really far and
fast and long.

FINALLY, a wall!!!

It proves to be covered with graffitti, and a big sign in
every language of the universe.

Finally,they find, in English-

HALT
THIS IS THE END OF THE UNIVERSE

Up closer, they see a hole in the wall, and another
sign.

"Dont believe it? Take a look."

They edge up close, and take a look.

Sure enough, there is nothing on t he other side!

Trump wrote it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

No specific God, we made God as thousands while Gd is just one.

Perhaps we made all of them.

 

[ChristineM]

For all we know? The Universe is actually infinitely huge. No (current) way to tell.

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Triangulation 2 points on the cmb and 1 on earth shows the angles to add up to 180 degrees (to 5 decimal places) indicating the universe to be flat. A flat universe is potentially infinite.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheists ought to keep in mind that "God" is just an easy way for people to conceptualize the big "I don't knows" in life so that they can deal with/relate to them. There's no need to see theism as an enemy ideology. The "enemy", if we really want to label them, is the blind authoritarianism, and the willful and deliberate ignorance that infects some expressions of theism. And keep in mind that these also infect every other human ideological activity. Not just religious activity.

A good understanding of the expression "God did it", meaning the humans did and could not do it.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Remté said: ↑
And that suffices for you?

And if it doesn't, "therefore God"?

Naturally.
Regards

 

[ChristineM]

Please quote from a Science Textbook that the subject of Who created the Universe, is under active research of the scientists. And if yes, under what discipline of science, please?

Regards

Who? Please quote from any peer reviewed book the address of he who created the universe.

What created the universe is being hypothesised by cosmologists.