The woman caught in adultery

[The Anointed]

Does the bible identify the woman who was supposed to have been caught in Adultery.

 

[Vouthon]

No, she is entirely anonymous. Her identity, if she existed, will never be known.

 

[The Anointed]

No, she is entirely anonymous. Her identity, if she existed, will never be known.

Are you sure of that?

Was that woman actually caught in the act of adultery, or was it a divorced woman who had remarried and had not committed adultery according to the temporal laws of the land, but only committing adultery according to the new teaching of Jesus?

Were the Jewish authorities trying to trap Jesus according to his teaching on divorcees remarrying? It would appear so, for we read in John 8: 3-6; "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" They said this to trap Jesus, so they could accuse him.

Surely, if that woman had been caught in the very act of adultery with a man other than her legitimate husband, those Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death. And surely her husband would have demanded she be punished for her unfaithfulness?

Amongst the women who followed Jesus, do you know of one who had been divorced and had remarried?

 

[stvdv]

Surely, if that woman had been caught in the very act of adultery with a man other than her legitimate husband, those Jewish authorities would have been bound by the law of Moses to have her stoned to death. And surely her husband would have demanded she be punished for her unfaithfulness?

Then Jesus continues with this:
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Jesus says "I do not condemn thee". It means she did do the sin, otherwise it would be a foolish thing to say (Jesus knowing the truth)
Jesus adds even "and sin no more". So she did commit a sin, only Jesus does not judge her doing a sin. Just advising not to sin.

If the sin was "sex with new husband" then it would be strange and unfair "telling her not to have sex anymore". Also unfair to the new husband.
So if the sin was "sex with new husband" it must mean "do not see this as a sin"
But that seems a bit "non-logical" to me

It makes more sense to read this verse meaning she did have sex outside her marriage
Then Jesus reply makes sense. Jesus does not condem her, BUT does call it a sin AND advises her not to do this again

Note:
Nowadays I think many women have sex outside their marriage ... why not in those days
Nowadays people like to judge and "kill" others for sinning (pointing fingers) ... why not in those days

 

[stvdv]

Does the bible identify the woman who was supposed to have been caught in Adultery.

Interesting observation. People like to expose others for their "sins" or mistakes. Names are quite important for journalist. Interesting lesson the Bible teaches here.

 

[exchemist]

Does the bible identify the woman who was supposed to have been caught in Adultery.

What about the man? Why was he not also punished? And who was he?

 

[The Anointed]

What about the man? Why was he not also punished? And who was he?

The man to whom she was legally married, according to the temporal laws of the land, was guilty of no crime, and nor was the woman guilty of any crime, simply according to the new law that Jesus introduced, in that the first husband who had issued her with a bill of divorce was still alive.

After this event, the woman separated herself from her legitimate second husband and his three children, and was cared for by her grandson, while still remaining close to her family, who would frequently visit her after the death of her first born son..

 

[exchemist]

The man to whom she was legally married, according to the temporal laws of the land, was guilty of no crime, and nor was the woman guilty of any crime, simply according to the new law that Jesus introduced, in that the first husband who had issued her with a bill of divorce was still alive.

After this event, the woman separated herself from her legitimate second husband and his three children, and was cared for by her grandson, while still remaining close to her family, who would frequently visit her after the death of her first born son..

That's interesting, where does this all come from?

 

[The Anointed]

That's interesting, where does this all come from?

From the NT. Ask yourself how many women by the name Mary, were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus?

 

[exchemist]

From the NT. Ask yourself how many women by the name Mary, were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus?

No. Where in the NT does one find all this information you provided in post 7, about the man involved in this adulterous act and their subsequent history?

 

[lukethethird]

She was known as 'Helen the harlot.'

 

[The Anointed]

No. Where in the NT does one find all this information you provided in post 7, about the man involved in this adulterous act and their subsequent history?

It was not an adulterous act according to law of Moses. I see you are not interested in discovering the truth for yourself, otherwise you would have sourced out how many women by the name Mary, were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus.

 

[exchemist]

It was not an adulterous act according to law of Moses. I see you are not interested in discovering the truth for yourself, otherwise you would have sourced out how many women by the name Mary, were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus.

What has anyone called Mary got to do with anything? The woman in the story is not named.

And what's wrong with you? I asked a simple question about where you found the extra information you gave in post 7. Instead of answering, you muck around accusing me of "not being interested is discovering the truth for myself". But I am interested - that's why I'm asking you!

You made the claim, you support it. If you can't, I shall assume you are talking crap.

 

[The Anointed]

What has anyone called Mary got to do with anything? The woman in the story is not named.

And what's wrong with you? I asked a simple question about where you found the extra information you gave in post 7. Instead of answering, you muck around accusing me of "not being interested is discovering the truth for myself". But I am interested - that's why I'm asking you!

You made the claim, you support it. If you can't, I shall assume you are talking crap.

I asked if you knew of a woman among the followers of Jesus, who had remarried. To which you had no answer.

I then asked you How many women by the name Mary were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, to which you had no answer. Which reveals that you have no real interest in discovering the truth.

So let me here give you a clue, Luke 24: 10; does not name the women at the cross of Jesus, nor does he name the women at the burial of Jesus, but he does name the two women by the name “Mary,” who went to the empty tomb on Sunday morning and they were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (The brother of the Lord.)

Mark 15: 40; mentions the name of the two women at the cross of Jesus, by the name Mary, as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger and Joseph, two of the brothers of Jesus who were born of the same womb as he.

Mark 15: 47; Then goes on to say, that the two women by the name Mary, who watched the burial of Jesus, were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph, the second son of Mary who was sired by Joseph the son of Jacob, the first husband of Mary.

Then at the empty tomb, Mark 16: 1; identifies the two women by the name Mary as, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger of her three biological sons, “Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger.”

Matthew 27: 56 reveals the names of two of the women at the cross of Jesus and they are, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, two of the three biological sons of Mary, the third and first born, being Jesus himself.

Then in 27: 61; Matthew identifies the two women who witnessed the burial of Jesus, as Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary. By saying the “OTHER” Mary, he reveals that there are only two women present by the name Mary, not three or more, but only two, and that the “OTHER” Mary he is referring to is Mary the mother of James and Joseph, who he already stated was at his cross.

Matthew reinforces this by stating that at the empty tomb of Jesus, the only two women present by the name Mary, were Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary, who we know from Matthew 27: 56; to be Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph and James the younger.

This reveals that the gospel authors, have only two women by the name Mary at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus, James and Joseph.

John 19: 25; Reveals who those two women by the name Mary are and what their relationship to each other is, when he says, “Standing close to the cross of Jesus, were his mother and his mother’s adelphe (And they are), Mary the wife of Cleophas and her adelphe, Mary Magdalene.

Does this tell you anything?

Second question....."Who is the father of James the brother of Jesus?"

 

[The Anointed]

I asked if you knew of a woman among the followers of Jesus, who had remarried. To which you had no answer.

I then asked you How many women by the name Mary were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, to which you had no answer. Which reveals that you have no real interest in discovering the truth.

So let me here give you a clue, Luke 24: 10; does not name the women at the cross of Jesus, nor does he name the women at the burial of Jesus, but he does name the two women by the name “Mary,” who went to the empty tomb on Sunday morning and they were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (The brother of the Lord.)

Mark 15: 40; mentions the name of the two women at the cross of Jesus, by the name Mary, as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger and Joseph, two of the brothers of Jesus who were born of the same womb as he.

Mark 15: 47; Then goes on to say, that the two women by the name Mary, who watched the burial of Jesus, were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph, the second son of Mary who was sired by Joseph the son of Jacob, the first husband of Mary.

Then at the empty tomb, Mark 16: 1; identifies the two women by the name Mary as, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger of her three biological sons, “Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger.”

Matthew 27: 56 reveals the names of two of the women at the cross of Jesus and they are, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, two of the three biological sons of Mary, the third and first born, being Jesus himself.

Then in 27: 61; Matthew identifies the two women who witnessed the burial of Jesus, as Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary. By saying the “OTHER” Mary, he reveals that there are only two women present by the name Mary, not three or more, but only two, and that the “OTHER” Mary he is referring to is Mary the mother of James and Joseph, who he already stated was at his cross.

Matthew reinforces this by stating that at the empty tomb of Jesus, the only two women present by the name Mary, were Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary, who we know from Matthew 27: 56; to be Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph and James the younger.

This reveals that the gospel authors, have only two women by the name Mary at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus, James and Joseph.

John 19: 25; Reveals who those two women by the name Mary are and what their relationship to each other is, when he says, “Standing close to the cross of Jesus, were his mother and his mother’s adelphe (And they are), Mary the wife of Cleophas and her adelphe, Mary Magdalene.

Does this tell you anything?

Second question....."Who is the father of James the brother of Jesus?"

• Not interested exchemist? Still think I'm talking crap do you? Ah well, if you're not interested in making any effort yourself in the search of truth, let me continue, and explain to you who the father of James the brother of Jesus is.

Of James the son of Alpheaus, who was the first to sit on the Episcopal throne of the church of the circumcision in Jerusalem, we learn from Josephus, Eusebius, and Hegesippus, that he was murdered in 62 AD, at the instigation of one of the same Sadducee sect that had his brother Jesus murdered, and that James the righteous was succeeded by Simeon --- of Cleophas…..(/Alpheaus, who was the second husband of Mary.)

In the Subject Guide of Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible, it is said that the name “Cleophas” [the masculine for Cleopatra,] is the Greek for “Of a Renown Father,” and that Cleophas is one and the same person as “Alpheaus” which is the Aramaic for, “Of a Renown Father.”

It was not uncommon for men of Galilee in those days to carry three names, one in Hebrew, one in Greek, and one in Aramaic. Thomas=Tau’ma, is the Aramiac for twin, Thomas is also called Didymus, which is the Greek for twin, he is Thomas/twin, Didymus/twin, Jude, the half-brother of Jesus and the son of the carpenter. A local tradition of eastern Syria identifies the Apostle Jude with Jude Thomas who was called ‘The Twin’ also known as Thomas (Aramaic), Didymus (Greek), and Jude (Hebrew.)

Matthew 13: 55; “Isn’t he the carpenter’s son? Isn’t Mary his mother, and aren’t James, Joseph, Simeon and Judas his brothers.” This verse reveals that Jesus was believed to be the son of Mary and the carpenter, and that Jesus had four brothers plus a number of sisters.

Knowing that in ART, Thomas Didymus Jude, the son of Alpheaus/Cleophas, is depicted with a, carpenters rule and square. In "The Acts of Thomas, sometimes called by its full name, "The Acts of Judas Thomas," 2nd-3rd century CE, "The Apostles cast lots as to where they should go, and to Thomas, brother to Jesus fell India. Thomas was taken to King Goddophares the ruler of Indo-Pathian Kingdom as an architect and carpenter by Habban.”

We must now ask the question, "Who is the Carpenter to whom Mary was married at that time, when her family consisted of James, Joseph, Simon and Judas? "

Would you like to answer that one yourself exchemist? Or would you rather continue to read that which you apparently consider to be my crap? As you seem to imply in your post #13.

 

[exchemist]

I asked if you knew of a woman among the followers of Jesus, who had remarried. To which you had no answer.

I then asked you How many women by the name Mary were at the crucifixion, the burial, and the empty tomb of Jesus, to which you had no answer. Which reveals that you have no real interest in discovering the truth.

So let me here give you a clue, Luke 24: 10; does not name the women at the cross of Jesus, nor does he name the women at the burial of Jesus, but he does name the two women by the name “Mary,” who went to the empty tomb on Sunday morning and they were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James (The brother of the Lord.)

Mark 15: 40; mentions the name of the two women at the cross of Jesus, by the name Mary, as Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger and Joseph, two of the brothers of Jesus who were born of the same womb as he.

Mark 15: 47; Then goes on to say, that the two women by the name Mary, who watched the burial of Jesus, were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph, the second son of Mary who was sired by Joseph the son of Jacob, the first husband of Mary.

Then at the empty tomb, Mark 16: 1; identifies the two women by the name Mary as, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James the younger of her three biological sons, “Jesus, Joseph, and James the younger.”

Matthew 27: 56 reveals the names of two of the women at the cross of Jesus and they are, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, two of the three biological sons of Mary, the third and first born, being Jesus himself.

Then in 27: 61; Matthew identifies the two women who witnessed the burial of Jesus, as Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary. By saying the “OTHER” Mary, he reveals that there are only two women present by the name Mary, not three or more, but only two, and that the “OTHER” Mary he is referring to is Mary the mother of James and Joseph, who he already stated was at his cross.

Matthew reinforces this by stating that at the empty tomb of Jesus, the only two women present by the name Mary, were Mary Magdalene and the “OTHER” Mary, who we know from Matthew 27: 56; to be Mary the biological mother of Jesus, Joseph and James the younger.

This reveals that the gospel authors, have only two women by the name Mary at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, and they are Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus, James and Joseph.

John 19: 25; Reveals who those two women by the name Mary are and what their relationship to each other is, when he says, “Standing close to the cross of Jesus, were his mother and his mother’s adelphe (And they are), Mary the wife of Cleophas and her adelphe, Mary Magdalene.

Does this tell you anything?

Nothing.

You have made no connection to the story of the woman taken in adultery.

 

[The Anointed]

Nothing.

You have made no connection to the story of the woman taken in adultery.

But I have revealed that Mary the wife of Joseph ben Jacob had remarried Cleophas/Alpheaus and bore the Child "James the younger" to him.

Now would you like me to continue to spoon feed you and reveal if Joseph ben Jacob, her first husband was still alive, when the Jewish authorities, who had access to the bills of divorce, which were filed in the temple, accused her to his son, as being an adulteress according to the new teaching of Jesus, in their attempt to trap him and accuse him to the public?

After which Mary abandoned her husband Cleophas and his sons, in obedience to her first born, and was later adopted by her grandson, 'John the beloved disciple,' who was the son of the sister of Jesus, 'Salome,' who was the wife of Zebedee and mother of James and John, who was to ask her brother Jesus, if he would allow his two nephews to stand on the right and left of his throne.

 

[exchemist]

Nothing.

But I have revealed that Mary the wife of Joseph ben Jacob had remarried Cleophas/Alpheaus and bore the Child "James the younger" to him.

Now would you like me to continue to spoon feed you and reveal if Joseph ben Jacob, her first husband was still alive, when the Jewish authorities, who had access to the bills of divorce, which were filed in the temple, accused her to his son as being an adulteress according to the new teaching of Jesus, in their attempt to trap him and accuse him to the public?

Forget it. You are obviously unable to answer a straight question.

I'll leave you to your unevidenced speculations.

 

[The Anointed]

Forget it. You are obviously unable to answer a straight question.

I'll leave you to your unevidenced speculations.

If you believe the word of God, you will know who the wife of Cleophas/Alpheaus, the father of James the younger and brother to Jesus is? But then it is apparent that the truths as revealed in the Holy Scriptures hold no interest to you.

And as you are now leaving, I bid thee goodbye.

 

[exchemist]

If you believe the word of God, you will know who the wife of Cleophas/Alpheaus, the father of James the younger and brother to Jesus is? But then it is apparent that the truths as revealed in the Holy Scriptures hold no interest to you.

And as you are now leaving, I bid thee goodbye.

Yeah, verily I say unto thee, go forth and multiply.