Questions...

[IndigoChild5559]

I understand what you're saying but how does this answer why He created anything? It just answers why He wants to have a relationship with His creation not why He created them in the first place.

You know, it's fine to ask questions about God. I'm sure that God gave us a brain so that we would among other things, ask questions about Him. Yet the finite can never fathom the infinite. We just aren't going to know everything about God. It could be you will never know the answer to this question until the day you stand before Him.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Do you accept evolutionary theory?

I can accept it or not, and Christ and the Bible do not have a bearing upon that as far as I can tell from the Bible. I don't think seeking signs is a healthy spiritual practice, either; and I especially think creationism is idolatrous sign-seeking behavior. Its idolatrous for a couple of reasons I think. First it creates a physical connection with God, but God is spiritual. Then that physical connection is re-interpreted as spiritual which makes it possible for specific people to be more invested spiritually than others. It matters if God is spiritual, because everyone has equal access. Otherwise certain people have more access which creates instant idolatry, unequal representation and concentration of moral authority.

So God doesn't want to be worshipped and praised directly but through how you treat others?

That entire sentence is full of unfortunately bad definitions. The word worship appears in the Bible but without a definition. It seems clear to me however that its all about serving others and first appears in reference to communal meals and covenants. There is a reason why 'God' is from the Germanic for 'Gud'. Praise is also a misunderstood concept. Praise is something you have to earn. You don't just praise things without motivation. The concept of adoration which is common today and to which you refer in your question -- that is a Hindu concept. There's nothing wrong with it, but its not praise or worship.

 

[SonOfElElyon]

El the Creator God, also called "The Logos," has always been and will always be, He is the only true constant in that he has been and always will be in the constant process of change through growth/evolution. All that you see is God, who is all that exists and who exists in all that is. The MOST HIGH to have developed within the creation that is God, is "The Light of Man," the Supreme personality of Godhead within the creation that is the Logos.

El is not the creator of all... he's a Canaanite deity. Why would the creator of all affiliate and anchor himself with earthly mental constructs?

All that one sees is not God, do you know the definition and etymology of the word God?

The earliest written form of the Germanic word god comes from the 6th century Christian Codex Argenteus. The English word itself is derived from the Proto-Germanic * ǥuđan. Most linguists agree that the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form * ǵhu-tó-m was based on the root * ǵhau(ə)-, which meant either ‘to call’ or ‘to invoke’.​

SO, do you call or evoke all that you can see? NO. The deity known as the Most High God isn't the logos... he's the father. CHRISTS FATHER. That's why he's the PRIEST OF THE MOST HIGH GOD.

I am beginning to think humans just make **** up if they've read it once and it kinda fits together. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY LEADING OTHERS ASTRAY, YOU ARE NOT CHRIST, YOU DON'T KNOW THE WAY. YOU ARE LOST:

God has taken His place in the divine assembly;
He judges among the gods:
“How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked?Selah
Provide justice for the needy and the fatherless;
uphold the rights of the oppressed and the destitute.
Rescue the poor and needy;
save them from the power of the wicked.”
They do not know or understand;
they wander in darkness.
All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
I said, “You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.
However, you will die like men
and fall like any other ruler.”
Rise up, God, judge the earth,
for all the nations belong to You.​

So keep on, it upsets me because I know you don't know any better but NONE OF YOU know any better it seems...

 

[SonOfElElyon]

Yeah it doesn't make sense to me either.

It doesn't make sense because it makes no sense.

 

[Jos]

Why? What's the problem?

I thought you were a robot trying to spam me with something. Sorry. Were you trying to answer my question?

 

[Jos]

"Acting" requires the passage of time. God is not constrained by the flow of time, therefore, He cannot "act" in the sense that those of us who ARE constrained by the flow of time think of acting. He only exists, the same now as He was in the beginning, as He will be in the end.

Humans are constrained by the flow of time, so that gives the illusion of "action" to God's will. But actions have a cause and a beginning and an end. God's will has no cause, it is merely the nature of God. God's will does not start at a given time and end at a given time; God's will exists, has always existed, and always will exist.

Time for bed. Further education, should you require it, on the morrow.

OK but how do you know that this is how God is? Did He tell you?

 

[Jos]

There is only one truth, but it has been all twisted out of shape.....

Don't other denominations with different interpretations say the same thing about you and your interpretation?

Jesus' miracles must have been incredible to witness.....healing the sick, the disabled, the deaf and blind...even raising the dead. But that too was to cease once the apostles died. Why? Because they had accomplished their goal of turning people to Christ. Each one a demonstration of things to come when Jesus brings his rulership to the earth.

So miracles can't happen until He returns?

The only thing that robbed them of that paradise was disobedience.

As far as I see it, they only knew or became aware that what they did was wrong after they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil which implies that they didn't know that eating of the tree of good and evil was wrong.

The Bible is a book of examples......some good....some awful. But its a book that tells us what we can give God that he can't give himself.....our trust...our love and loyalty and our worship. Jesus showed us how by his own example. When he was tempted by satan, he stood his ground, and used God's word to answer his accusations and he would not be swayed off his course.

But if God has everything already then why does He desire worship or love of all things especially given that were fallible unimportant mortals and given that He is the source of perfect love?

 

[Jos]

Have you ever tried comparing what the Bible teaches to what the church teaches? Its a fruitful exercise....and quite surprising.

No I haven't but it'll be pretty surprising.

Write a list of specific things you like to know and see what comes back?

I already have a long list of questions.

And that is exactly what God wants you to have.....its there for the taking....all you have to do is want it, and ask God to help you find it.

Yeah but the peace I want also comes with no expectations, demands etc. God expects and demands worship, love etc and I don't think I can find peace in someone's nagging expectations and demands.

Is it what you want to study? Or do you have something else you'd rather do?

Yeah I guess

Do you have any particular interests? talents? sports?

Yeah I guess but even then that's still not enough to make me want to continue existing.

 

[Jos]

You know, it's fine to ask questions about God. I'm sure that God gave us a brain so that we would among other things, ask questions about Him. Yet the finite can never fathom the infinite. We just aren't going to know everything about God. It could be you will never know the answer to this question until the day you stand before Him.

Why did make humans finite anyway?

 

[Jos]

I can accept it or not, and Christ and the Bible do not have a bearing upon that as far as I can tell from the Bible.

Doesn't Christ say in Matthew that He made them male and female since the beginning referring to Adam and Eve? And didn't the early church fathers and apostles believe that Genesis was literal history.

First it creates a physical connection with God, but God is spiritual.

No I think it just points out God's creative hand

Then that physical connection is re-interpreted as spiritual which makes it possible for specific people to be more invested spiritually than others.

I think creationists do believe that God is only spirit and that everyone has equal access to Him. Why do you believe these things?

The word worship appears in the Bible but without a definition.

Didn't it appear with actions of people singing and adoring God?

There is a reason why 'God' is from the Germanic for 'Gud'.

What's the difference?

 

[Jos]

It doesn't make sense because it makes no sense.

Yeah but why is it that way?

 

[9-18-1]

First question for people of a Christian persuasion:
Why did God create anything at all if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity having everything He would ever want or need?

I don't understand this question and/or what is actually being asked.

First question for people of a Christian persuasion:

I'm not a Christian but I see their model of the Holy Trinity and understand it differently.

Why did God create anything at all

Incredibly difficult to associate anything with 'God': the original 'name' of the creator god is אלהים which is essentially an equation of a sperm moving inside a womb. 'El' אל is a Canaanite-ish word that really rather simply means "towards". הים 'hayim' very simply means "the sea" and/or "expanse". So this 'God' that is the "towards (in) the sea" creates all things. As such there is no suggestive 'reason' for such a description of a complete natural process. The same interaction of energy that brings a man and woman together (seed in womb) to produce a child (for/by whatever means) is the same being described by אלהים. So there is not even a discernible 'will' of אלהים until it invokes light on the first day.

if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity

אלהים is not a 'he' or even an 'it'; it is a mutually conjunctive interaction between masculine and feminine that 'creates'.

having everything He would ever want or need?

I'm not sure I would grant such a statement is true - this is speculative on many levels. Suppose the very having of anything/everything one would want/need (including 'god') requires first creation itself in order to manifest 'will into existence' such things? If one assumes 'god' had the kind of power wherein anything 'it' wills happens, I'd be asking serious questions about the morality of that 'god' which is allegedly "governing" humanity for the past few thousand years.

 

[Jos]

There WAS no universe before God created it, so there could be no best of all possible universes until one was created. When an omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent God creates a universe, He is logically bound to create the best of all possible universes. Once the universe has been created, the changes we see over the course of time reflect the changes that are necessary to the best of all possible universes.



Yes.

This makes it sound like God needs humans in order to be God.

 

[SonOfElElyon]

Yeah but why is it that way?

Why is what what way?

 

[Jos]

Why is what what way?

Never mind.

 

[stvdv]

Why did God create anything at all if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity having everything He would ever want or need?

Some humans can't control "the deed of creation" .... maybe God went out of control for 1 second.
I mean "His thoughts materialize immediately" (that's what I have heard)

 

[Shantanu]

First question for people of a Christian persuasion:
Why did God create anything at all if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity having everything He would ever want or need?

I was thinking that He must have wanted to create the perfect Universe, do we know if it is perfect yet?

 

[BilliardsBall]

First question for people of a Christian persuasion:
Why did God create anything at all if He existed by Himself in perfect relationship as a Holy Trinity having everything He would ever want or need?

God is love. Love seeks fellowship, companionship and demonstration of love.

Praise Jesus!

 

[viole]

You might not get an answer you can understand, but the Bible also says that if you seek Him, you will find Him. The part about not questioning God isn't about not seeking answers to legitimate questions, but about not questioning His sovereignty; His ability to create the best of all possible universes. God WANTS us to question things:

"But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things]" --1 Corinthians 2:15a (Amplified Bible)

I guess the question is whether God plus the best of all possible universes is better than God without any Universe at all.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

So it's OK to ask Him to uncreate me?

That might prove challenging. If He uncreates you upon your request, then you would have never existed to make that request.

Ciao

- viole