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ONCE AGAIN! Facts in the Bible is supported by archaeology.

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
No scientific reference provided that would support this, and no reference that it was considered bogus,

There was a race? When? There is evience of races and DNA evidence all over the world and a history of relationships between the races and migration, and none of this supports any scripture of any religion.

Still aiting . .

Yes, that's what "scholars" said 20-30 years ago. No such thing as a Jew
they said. That's just a religion. But now we know there is a race called
Jews. Even better, we can discern one of the tribes because of the Cohen
name stemming from the Cahanim line of Levites.
And migration? The European Jews split into two groups, one in Southern
Europe and the other in Poland, Russia and Germany. This has been
tracked also.
Not sure about the Iranian connection. Many Jews were in Babylon and
Iran since the Babylonian Captivity. These were the refugees that the
world doesn't speak about - driven out after Israel was formed. The bible
says that one day ALL Jews will be back in their home nation - that tells
me there will be intense persecution from Western countries in the future.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yes, that's what "scholars" said 20-30 years ago.
No such thing as a Jew
they said.

Scientific reference please?!?!? not assertions.

That's just a religion. But now we know there is a race called
Jews. Even better, we can discern one of the tribes because of the Cohen
name stemming from the Cahanim line of Levites.
And migration? The European Jews split into two groups, one in Southern
Europe and the other in Poland, Russia and Germany. This has been
tracked also.
Not sure about the Iranian connection. Many Jews were in Babylon and
Iran since the Babylonian Captivity. These were the refugees that the
world doesn't speak about - driven out after Israel was formed. The bible
says that one day ALL Jews will be back in their home nation - that tells
me there will be intense persecution from Western countries in the future.

What we have found is DNA and archaeological evidence of the history of the Hebrew tribes beginning as pastoral Canaanite tribes in the Judaean Hills, but no evidence of a specific race (?).

There is no evidence of the sudden appearance of Hebrews in region of the Judaean Hills that corresponds to an Exodus account,

Need scientific references, and be specific.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Well, I'm going by biblical archeologists. Doesn't this pretty much mean we really don't know Jewish history well?

If you read the entire interview, we have evidence that the majority of Israelites were polytheistic and the monotheistic people were a small eliteist minority. So their real history has been skewed by using the OT as history.


William Dever, Professor Emeritus at the University of Arizona, has investigated the archeology of the ancient Near East for more than 30 years and authored almost as many books on the subject. In the following interview, Dever describes some of the most significant archeological finds related to the Hebrew Bible,

William Dever: From the beginnings of what we call biblical archeology, perhaps 150 years ago, scholars, mostly western scholars, have attempted to use archeological data to prove the Bible. And for a long time it was thought to work. [William Foxwell] Albright, the great father of our discipline, often spoke of the "archeological revolution." Well, the revolution has come but not in the way that Albright thought. The truth of the matter today is that archeology raises more questions about the historicity of the Hebrew Bible and even the New Testament than it provides answers, and that's very disturbing to some people.

The fact is that archeology can never prove any of the theological suppositions of the Bible. Archeologists can often tell you what happened and when and where and how and even why. No archeologists can tell anyone what it means, and most of us don't try.
We want to make the Bible history. Many people think it has to be history or nothing. But there is no word for history in the Hebrew Bible. In other words, what did the biblical writers think they were doing? Writing objective history? No. That's a modern discipline. They were telling stories. They wanted you to know what these purported events mean.

Archeology of the Hebrew Bible

You surely do really think no archaeologist
could even kinda hint at the meaning of
finding the covenant ark and noahs ark,
something to prove ToE is false,
find the wreckageof pharoahs army or prove
the earth really was made in 6 days.

If someone ever does that they've
pretty much proved the book got the important
stuff right.

Instead, every datum point out there consistently
shows) the "god" stuff is bs.

Now that any educated Christian has to accept that the "bible"
mixes semi -historical events with wild fantasy, it becomes
necessary to "move the goal posts" so that all that is bs is
actually metaphor, yes, symbolic language.

"They wanted you to know what those purported events
mean."

Really? How do you / we know that?

They sure forgot the footnotes!!

If people just made up stories about a made up
god (they way every other religion is) then, why bother
with any of it, let alone the vast devotion of time
and resources to the maunderings of that buncha guys?

If "God" kinda suggested what to say then he is quite
the card.

Threemajor religions in conflict, thousands
upon unknown thousands of sub groups
denouncing eachother- if "He" wanted people
to know what his alleged flood meant
(other than to show he is a psycho monster)
or what any other bible fairy tale really means,
well, we have to wonder why not just say what
he means. Mr Omniscient knew it would not
work the way he did it.

What purpose is there for anyone other than
academic scholars or eccentric hobbyists
to bother reading that book?

(Now dont spoil my fun by asking the
point of preaching to the choir.)
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
That isn't true, archeology admits the history of the Jews is very un-knowable.
Archeology of the Hebrew Bible

I mean even the Jerusalem Post ran an article admitting Exodus has no evidence?!

The Exodus: Does archaeology have a say?

"The Exodus is so fundamental to us and our Jewish sources that it is embarrassing that there is no evidence outside of the Bible to support it.
The short answer is “no.” The whole subject of the Exodus is embarrassing to archaeologists. The Exodus is so fundamental to us and our Jewish sources that it is embarrassing that there is no evidence outside of the Bible to support it. So we prefer not to talk about it, and hate to be asked about it."






Totally untrue, ALL of the new-age, love your brother, be nice to everyone, meditate, love is all there is is found in the Vedic scriptures 5000 years old.
There is nothing in Hindu spirituality that isn't biblical except the idea that if you don't follow the correct demi-god then you go to hell. Infatuation with "sin" was a Jewish thing. Including infatuation with killing lambs so their magic blood would appease god.
Which changed to just go to Temple everyday. Which then changed with the substitutionary magic atonement blood sacrifice of Jesus which luckily appeases god and gives everyone forgiveness? WTF?
Stone-age much?




There are seriously 229 prophecies in the bible that did not pan out.
Picking out a few that might fit means you HAVE to also see how many failed. Because when you have prophecies some will come true.
This also happened with Nostradamus.

I'm sure you know Jesus said he would be back soon, in this generation and so forth.

So in that regard there isn't anything impressive?

Bible: Prophecy and Misquotes

God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible (Acts 7:5 and Hebrews 11:13) show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled. 13:15, 15:18, 17:8, 28:13-14
God promises to make Isaac's descendents as numerous as "the stars of heaven", which, of course, never happened. The Jews have always been, and will always be, a small minority. 22:17-18, 26:4

God says that the Israelites will destroy all of the peoples they encounter.
But he was unable to keep his promise. 7:1, 7:23-24, 31:3

I wonder how the non -reality of "Exodus" could
possibly embarrass an archaeologist. Prease exprain.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
The early earth, according to NASA, was a cloud ocean planet.
That is why NASA was interested in Titan, calling it an "earth analogue"
first the heaven
then the earth
dark and oceanic
then the skies cleared
and the continents emerged
and life came from the earth (fresh water)
and then life came out of the sea
and finally man.

All written in theological and symbolic language

nb I used to think the land and sea sequence was wrong, but as of 2018
the consensus is that life came from the "land," then invaded the sea.
Cherry picking, which means that you are ignoring the clear errors, and reinterpreting.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I won't talk about winners here. But the definite losers are the folks who believe the Bible is the Absolute Truth Word of God.

For the rest, pick and choose is the always accepted dodge.
Is this your Absolute Truth?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How did you learn of God if not from the Bible?
If I were to use an analogy, I would use this application:

Rom 1:20 Opposition to truth cannot be excused on the basis of ignorance, because from the creation of the world, the invisible qualities of God’s nature have been made visible, such as his eternal power and transcendence. He has made his wonderful attributes easily perceived, for seeing the visible makes us understand the invisible.

That is, what the eye sees becomes revelation to the conscience. See Ps. 19:1-4.

I would agree with this statement.

As I look back, I could see God moving in my life and even revealing things about Himself even when I didn't know Him personally. Abraham knew God before anything was written.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Roman historians mention Pontius Pilates, in the same way they mention the destruction of temple....Jesus not that much, just because they found a ring with his name it doesn't mean that all the narratives of the Bible can be historically proven, nor that what is narrated factually happened as narrated. There is a Red Sea, but it doesn't mean that Moses actually parted it, and there is a Galilee See but it doesn't mean that man, born of a woman and a spiritual entity, walked on it. It's hilarious how so many "true believers" with an unshakable faith need some kind of actual/tangible proof to justify and support their beliefs...they believe in Jesus because they have a "proof" ... so much for faith
I isn't that we need intangible proof to support our belief. It is the people who question it that require it so we are happy when something helps a person along their journey.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
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PruePhillip, it doesn’t take 40 years to travel from Egypt to Canaan.

It should only take less than a month.

Alexander the Great went to Egypt (332 BCE), after the sieges of Tyre, and then of Gaza (332 BCE).

The 40-year wandering seemed to be exaggeration
I hold that it was factual. Having one generation naturally pass does take more than a month.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I find it to be illogical that Genesis 1 that water and land vegetation existed before the sun, moon and stars.
Much of what God does is illogical like cursing a fig tree and it dying from the roots.
 

lukethethird

unknown member
Most fact and those that don't are simply still under investigation.
The title of this thread is a lie, necessitated only by the fact that there are no facts to support the story about the Son of God, nor any other biblical story for that matter.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Most fact and those that don't are simply still under investigation.

Your arguing from ignorance, which has no grounds for your assertions.

Wishing and hoping gets you no where.

I could easily assert that Noah, Moses and Jesus were aliens and though there is a total lack of evidence, it is simply still under investigation.
 
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Shad

Veteran Member
When there is a point... I would be happy to answer intelligibly

Like I said it went over your head.

Point being a fictional story can contain elements from reality. Elements from reality does not make a story non-fiction. Merely pointing out elements of the story are validated by evidence does not mean all the story including claims that are not supported by evidence are facts. Finding a ring be it his own or used by his office does not make all the other claims about Jesus fact.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Like I said it went over your head.

Point being a fictional story can contain elements from reality. Elements from reality does not make a story non-fiction. Merely pointing out elements of the story are validated by evidence does not mean all the story including claims that are not supported by evidence are facts. Finding Pilot's ring be it his own or used by his office does not make all the other claims about Jesus fact.
Not sure whose head

Your point about fictional stories is correct - after that there is no application.

Does my position upset you?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Your arguing from ignorance, which has no grounds for your assertions.

Wishing and hoping gets you no where.

I could easily assert that Noah, Moses and Jesus were aliens and though there is a total lack of evidence, it is simply still under investigation.
Yes, you could say that — but that would be called arguing from ignorance
 
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