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Trump says he is a nationalist

Spiderman

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WASHINGTON — As a general rule, presidents do not refer to themselves as a “nationalist” given the freighted history of the word. But as President Trump tries to galvanize his conservative base to turn out in the midterm elections, he has adopted the label as a badge of honor.
‘Use That Word!’: Trump Embraces the ‘Nationalist’ Label

What do you think he meant? That N word has become quite ugly and controversal.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Perhaps il Duche doesn't grasp the historical implications of tribalism.
lol...no...apparently the left defines us donkeys ;)
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Stevicus

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WASHINGTON — As a general rule, presidents do not refer to themselves as a “nationalist” given the freighted history of the word. But as President Trump tries to galvanize his conservative base to turn out in the midterm elections, he has adopted the label as a badge of honor.
‘Use That Word!’: Trump Embraces the ‘Nationalist’ Label

What do you think he meant? That N word has become quite ugly and controversal.

With Trump, it could mean just about anything. As the article you linked pointed out, many other politicians use the safer term "Patriot," but it essentially comes down to the same basic principle: Love of country, loyalty to one's country, etc. It's not much different from Reagan's speech about America being the "shining city on the hill" or any expressions of American exceptionalism - "leader of the free world," "arsenal of democracy," "defender of world freedom," etc. All of these concepts and ideas are within the same general ballpark as nationalism.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Trump is doing the opposite of what the Democrats and Obama did. The Democrats and Obama went on an apology tour, blaming America for all the woes of the world. They then attempted to dissociated America back into ethnic and racial diversity, and make America the world's guilty piggy bank funding a new world order. This was a larger scale demagoguery full of thieving middle men. Trump is reversing the dissociation by allowing all the dislocated groups to come together again, so they can avoid the new world order, that was conceived in guilt and scams.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
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Trump is doing the opposite of what the Democrats and Obama did. The Democrats and Obama went on an apology tour, blaming America for all the woes of the world. They then attempted to dissociated America back into ethnic and racial diversity, and make America the world's guilty piggy bank funding a new world order. This was a larger scale demagoguery full of thieving middle men. Trump is reversing the dissociation by allowing all the dislocated groups to come together again, so they can avoid the new world order, that was conceived in guilt and scams.
Indeed. I consider Trump a compensation for 8 years of humiliating phrases from a leader that was supposed to represent the Western World
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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WASHINGTON — As a general rule, presidents do not refer to themselves as a “nationalist” given the freighted history of the word. But as President Trump tries to galvanize his conservative base to turn out in the midterm elections, he has adopted the label as a badge of honor.
‘Use That Word!’: Trump Embraces the ‘Nationalist’ Label

What do you think he meant? That N word has become quite ugly and controversal.

Stalin Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Mussolini all said they were nationalist.
 

Stevicus

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Trump is doing the opposite of what the Democrats and Obama did. The Democrats and Obama went on an apology tour, blaming America for all the woes of the world. They then attempted to dissociated America back into ethnic and racial diversity, and make America the world's guilty piggy bank funding a new world order. This was a larger scale demagoguery full of thieving middle men. Trump is reversing the dissociation by allowing all the dislocated groups to come together again, so they can avoid the new world order, that was conceived in guilt and scams.

I think what's happened is that the mainstream, establishment-level politicians have painted themselves into a corner, ideologically speaking. Regardless of how anyone defines the "new world order," the fact remains that American military might (and the "patriotism" required to support it and maintain it) is a required component in furthering any globalist agenda.

The "blaming America" part is mainly a propaganda ploy, to acknowledge the misgivings of a world resistant to American hegemony, while attempting to demonstrate that we have reformed and therefore have the right to force our goodwill upon the rest of the world.

But therein lies the trap and the contradiction, since it seems that our politicians have been sending mixed, contradictory messages of "America is great" and "America is evil" both at the same time.

This has had the effect of weakening US patriotism to some degree, causing people to question the goals and objectives of our foreign policy, the role of our military - which could lead to a decrease in defense spending and diminish our capacity to prop up the "new world order" (or whatever it is they're trying to do).

But then there's also the counter-effect that too much criticism of America can lead to those wanting to staunchly defend America and express a more resolved form of patriotism, which might explain why Trump and others are doubling down on the whole idea of patriotism and nationalism.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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With Trump, it could mean just about anything. As the article you linked pointed out, many other politicians use the safer term "Patriot," but it essentially comes down to the same basic principle: Love of country, loyalty to one's country, etc. It's not much different from Reagan's speech about America being the "shining city on the hill" or any expressions of American exceptionalism - "leader of the free world," "arsenal of democracy," "defender of world freedom," etc. All of these concepts and ideas are within the same general ballpark as nationalism.

along with white supremacy, hating immigrants etc etc
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I supposed that I could be called a "nationalist" cuz I'd prefer more
attention be paid to our interests, & less to other countries.
Hey...does this mean I hate people from schumtz-hole countries?
 

Stevicus

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I supposed that I could be called a "nationalist" cuz I'd prefer more
attention be paid to our interests, & less to other countries.
Hey...does this mean I hate people from schumtz-hole countries?

I think it might depend on the basis of one's interests. The same idea can be seen among states and local jurisdictions, where the local populace might favor plans or programs or government consideration that would be of value to those on a local level. It's natural for people to want something close to home that would be beneficial to their interests and the general region.

I guess it's more a question of how far it goes and how far people want to take it. There was a time when people weren't necessarily nationalist for America, but for their own state. But after the War Between the States, that idea pretty much fell by the wayside.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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I think it might depend on the basis of one's interests. The same idea can be seen among states and local jurisdictions, where the local populace might favor plans or programs or government consideration that would be of value to those on a local level. It's natural for people to want something close to home that would be beneficial to their interests and the general region.

I guess it's more a question of how far it goes and how far people want to take it. There was a time when people weren't necessarily nationalist for America, but for their own state. But after the War Between the States, that idea pretty much fell by the wayside.
When I visit Texas, I'll ask about state vs country identity & loyalty.
(I suspect they're not like Michiganistanians down there.)
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
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He meant he puts his nation first. Our nation happens to include diverse cultures, races, religions, etc. I'm not sure what there is to hate about that. Also not sure why the left hates their own country so much.
 

Stevicus

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When I visit Texas, I'll ask about state vs country identity & loyalty.
(I suspect they're not like Michiganistanians down there.)

Yeah, Texas is kind of a special case. Don't mess with Texas.

But I do recall passing through Michigan and hearing on one of the radio stations that they wanted to "liquidate Ohio State." They seemed pretty fanatical about it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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He meant he puts his nation first. Our nation happens to include diverse cultures, races, religions, etc. I'm not sure what there is to hate about that. Also not sure why the left hates their own country so much.
It could be they just hate Trump.
So putting the nation first must be harshly criticized, but not directly.
It must be slightly askew, ie, criticize people instead.
Invent dislikeable things about them.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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Yeah, Texas is kind of a special case. Don't mess with Texas.

But I do recall passing through Michigan and hearing on one of the radio stations that they wanted to "liquidate Ohio State." They seemed pretty fanatical about it.
Beware football fans.
(I never was one.)
 
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