Subduction Zone
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The same applies to you. Since that God does not exist it is rather difficult to put words into his mouth.
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Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Why do you keep contradicting yourself?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
But its a sin to be homosexual according to the bible or are you referring to something else other than homosexuality?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I explain it in post #30. I assume you disagree with those who believe homosexuality is (edit) not a sin. If you are speaking biblically, yes it is. If you are medically, no it is not. The former is specifically to action. The latter attraction.
Are you a homosexual who believes homosexuality a sin?
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stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
"Bi" is not such a Christian thingy, maybe better to stick to "Tri", that seems to be more accepted.
By the way, I am not a Christian, I am demonized also by quite a few. If that gives any consolation.
jesus didn't teach this. he never once uses such a word.
harlotry isn't about love. harlotry is using sex to get something. it's a quid pro quo act, like idolatry, vs love establish two as equal.
jesus said the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of heaven before the religious elitist. interesting that the most reviled were the first and the honored would be the last.
Song of Solomon 8:6
Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame.
jesus was definitely against idolatry, adultery. he crusaded against it. when you see the abomination that causes desolation.................christians who worship a man are practicing the abomination.
obviously paul missed the point of love vs jesus didn't crusade against homosexuality.
jesus and john were both affectionate towards one another; just as david and jonathan were. you can't be fully human and loveless.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
But that can be easily proven wrong, don't you think so? You need not be a genius to see that, just a wee bit creativity IMHO.
Earthling
David Henson
First of all, though you don't believe God dictated the Bible, that it's divinely inspired, there are people who disagree with you. Either way, the Bible - namely the Hebrew and Christian Greek scriptures, both condemn homosexuality. You would have to be stupid to interpret Leviticus 20:13 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 any other way. It's no t a metaphysical concept, it's pretty straight forward, no pun intended.
Have we?
Earthling
David Henson
How could you prove that wrong?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I do believe that he is non-practicing. It appears that he does not understand Matthew 5 27-28.I explain it in post #30. I assume you disagree with those who believe homosexuality is (edit) not a sin. If you are speaking biblically, yes it is. If you are medically, no it is not. The former is specifical to action. The latter attraction.
Are you a homosexual who believes homosexuality a sin?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Divinely inspired does not mean perfect. As a Christian that should give you hope since parts of the Bible are obviously wrong. And Leviticus also bans shellfish and polyester. Earlier you said that does not matter. When it comes to 1 Cor 6 : 9 it appears that there are different translations. For example the first interpretation from the BibleHub:
"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men"
If you can follow your own arguments we have. But I may be overly optimistic in that regard.
Earthling
David Henson
I have to admit, that appears to be a clever obfuscation of the Bible. Specifical?
Are you a homosexual who believes homosexuality a sin?
That's correct. I used to engage in gay sex, homosexuality. It took me a while, but I eventually stopped. I haven't had sex in over a decade. It's almost like I'm married in that regard . . .
Christianity is essentially the following the teachings of christ. Anyone is capable of that, male, female, black, white, straight, gay. Even hitler did it in his screwed up, perverted way.
Much of the problem is because some straight christians are intolerant of gays. Interesting really because the nt devotes only about 0.003% of its content to gay bashing and about 0.3% to loving one another.
Also, lets take the kinsey scale into account. It would seem that many of those objecting to gays being christian are homosexual to some degree. Is that a personal conundrum that fuels the hatred of gays?
Much of the problem is because some straight christians are intolerant of gays. Interesting really because the nt devotes only about 0.003% of its content to gay bashing and about 0.3% to loving one another.
Also, lets take the kinsey scale into account. It would seem that many of those objecting to gays being christian are homosexual to some degree. Is that a personal conundrum that fuels the hatred of gays?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I have to admit, that appears to be a clever obfuscation of the Bible. Specifical?
That's correct. I used to engage in gay sex, homosexuality. It took me a while, but I eventually stopped. I haven't had sex in over a decade. It's almost like I'm married in that regard . . .
It was a spelling error. I meant specifically.
I am a gay woman. I am gay because I find a spiritual, mental, and physical connection with people who so happen to share the same parts as me. Nothing more.
I am a lesbian. I have a specific sexual orientation to where I am physically attracted to women.
I can have sex with a guy
I can have children
I can marry
I am still a gay woman
I am still a lesbian
I am not a homosexual based on biblical definitions. Im actually single. Anyone can be biblically homosexual.
Im more of an identity person so I wont question how you define yourself as a former homosexual.
I disagree anyone can be a former straight person but biblical and medical definitions of homosexuality are totally different.
I am a gay woman.
I am a lesbian.
I am not homosexual.
If going by scripture.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yeah. Always liked those verses. I think its a definition thing. That and people have always beem bias of sexuality. I wouldnt be surprised if the biblical translations were off. But I think believers are reading the bible out of context.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Well. If that type of sex harms you spiritually, I can see why you stoped.
I just think outside your personal experiences and biblical context, look at it from a non bias (nonsubjective) view.
Would you be asexual if you have not had sex anytime in your life? (Say you were bedridden since childhood or isolated from people)
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe one can be if one has repented one's sin of homosexualtiy.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that amounts to the blind leading the blind.
nPeace
Veteran Member
The question in the OP asks:
Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?
Is this really asking, can a person who is sexually attracted to both males and females be Christian?
Isn't the answer a resounding 'No'?
A Christian is a follower of Christ - One who follows his example, and teachings.
So in order to be a Christian, one must be applying the teaching of Christ in one's life.
It sometimes take time for one to do this, based on his/her/it background.
For example, a drug addict may take time to get over a bad habit, but when they work at it, in time with God's help, they can overcome the temptation to give in, and they may get to a point where their wrong desire is suppressed.
When that person reaches a reasonable point in their progress - then they can become a Christian, because they have repented and made a resolve in their hearts to do God's will.
Of course, no one changes overnight, so there must be a way to help the person to change their thinking. Learning of God's ways will help in that regard... according to the scriptures.
Can gays or bisexuals be Christian?
Is this really asking, can a person who is sexually attracted to both males and females be Christian?
Isn't the answer a resounding 'No'?
A Christian is a follower of Christ - One who follows his example, and teachings.
So in order to be a Christian, one must be applying the teaching of Christ in one's life.
It sometimes take time for one to do this, based on his/her/it background.
For example, a drug addict may take time to get over a bad habit, but when they work at it, in time with God's help, they can overcome the temptation to give in, and they may get to a point where their wrong desire is suppressed.
When that person reaches a reasonable point in their progress - then they can become a Christian, because they have repented and made a resolve in their hearts to do God's will.
Of course, no one changes overnight, so there must be a way to help the person to change their thinking. Learning of God's ways will help in that regard... according to the scriptures.
Mox
Dr Green Fingers
Good for you.