Favorite conservative thinkers?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Keep in mind that this is the Conservatives Only forum.

I read a fair bit of right-wing media and I find myself agreeing with a good bit of it lately. I just wanted to mention some people I like.

I really like Douglas Murray. His Strange Death of Europe book is a highly recommended read. It is depressing but I think he does a good job of getting to the heart of Europe's troubles and doesn't just blame it all on Islam and foreigners. I like his level-headed, clear style. Much of what he says seems like common sense or that it should be.

I was watching some of Candance Owen's videos last night and I like what she has to say about the problems in the black community and the defeatist narrative of groups like Black Lives Matter. I find her message to black people to be much more inspiring than most of I find coming from the identity politics obsessed progressives. Yes, you can make it in America if you try. If things were so stacked against people of color, then Oprah, Obama and many others wouldn't have made it. Victor vs. victim mentality, as she puts it.

Shoot, I was even enjoying some of Paul Joseph Watson's videos last night although he is annoying and immature at times (I had to unsub from him and take a break). But even he has some worthwhile thoughts at least some of the time.

I have also admired Marine Le Pen for a few years. They made her out to be a Nazi but that's totally ridiculous as she kicked the fascist types out of the party. She's to the left of Trump. Lol. I wish she had won the election but we'll see what happens next. I wish we could have a leader like her. I would vote for them in a heartbeat.

I also enjoy reading the Spectator and National Review.

 

[Nakosis]

What do you think of Ben Shapiro?

 

[YmirGF]

Keep in mind that this is the Conservatives Only forum.

I read a fair bit of right-wing media and I find myself agreeing with a good bit of it lately. I just wanted to mention some people I like.

I really like Douglas Murray. His Strange Death of Europe book is a highly recommended read. It is depressing but I think he does a good job of getting to the heart of Europe's troubles and doesn't just blame it all on Islam and foreigners. I like his level-headed, clear style. Much of what he says seems like common sense or that it should be.

I was watching some of Candance Owen's videos last night and I like what she has to say about the problems in the black community and the defeatist narrative of groups like Black Lives Matter. I find her message to black people to be much more inspiring than most of I find coming from the identity politics obsessed progressives. Yes, you can make it in America if you try. If things were so stacked against people of color, then Oprah, Obama and many others wouldn't have made it. Victor vs. victim mentality, as she puts it.

Shoot, I was even enjoying some of Paul Joseph Watson's videos last night although he is annoying and immature at times (I had to unsub from him and take a break). But even he has some worthwhile things thoughts at least some of the time.

I have also admired Marine Le Pen for a few years. They made her out to be a Nazi but that's totally ridiculous as she kicked the fascist types out of the party. She's to the left of Trump. Lol. I wish she had won the election but we'll see what happens next. I wish we could have a leader like her. I would vote for them in a heartbeat.

I also enjoy reading the Spectator and National Review.

*Falls to the floor in a dead faint*
*legs begin twitching*

 

[Spiderman]

Keep in mind that this is the Conservatives Only forum.

I read a fair bit of right-wing media and I find myself agreeing with a good bit of it lately. I just wanted to mention some people I like.

I really like Douglas Murray. His Strange Death of Europe book is a highly recommended read. It is depressing but I think he does a good job of getting to the heart of Europe's troubles and doesn't just blame it all on Islam and foreigners. I like his level-headed, clear style. Much of what he says seems like common sense or that it should be.

I was watching some of Candance Owen's videos last night and I like what she has to say about the problems in the black community and the defeatist narrative of groups like Black Lives Matter. I find her message to black people to be much more inspiring than most of I find coming from the identity politics obsessed progressives. Yes, you can make it in America if you try. If things were so stacked against people of color, then Oprah, Obama and many others wouldn't have made it. Victor vs. victim mentality, as she puts it.

Shoot, I was even enjoying some of Paul Joseph Watson's videos last night although he is annoying and immature at times (I had to unsub from him and take a break). But even he has some worthwhile things thoughts at least some of the time.

I have also admired Marine Le Pen for a years. They made her out to be a Nazi but that's totally ridiculous. She's to the left of Trump. Lol. I wish she had won the election but we'll see what happens next.

I also enjoy reading the Spectator and National Review.

I'm actually both shocked and impressed to see you say you wish Marine Le Pen had won the election.

I'm happy to see you reading books regarding the death or suicide of Europe, from a conservative perspective that doesn't throw out hyperboles blaming Islam.

I'm not going to mention some of the right-wingers I have admiration for, for I fear it will make you and others sick.

I'm trying not to be as right-wing conservative as my mom and Dad.

I admire your ability to look into conservative perspectives and am proud of you for making this thread!

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What do you think of Ben Shapiro?

I mostly like him. I follow him on Facebook. My only complaint is that he is unnecessarily rude towards trans people. That is unneeded. Even if you disagree, there's no reason to go out of your way to misgender people. But otherwise he is fine.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm actually both shocked and impressed to see you say you wish Marine Le Pen had won the election.

I'm happy to see you reading books regarding the death or suicide of Europe, from a conservative perspective that doesn't throw out hyperboles blaming Islam.

I'm not going to mention some of the right-wingers I have admiration for, for I fear it will make you and others sick.

I'm trying not to be as right-wing conservative as my mom and Dad.

I admire your ability to look into conservative perspectives and am proud of you for making this thread!

It's not exactly new for me. I've posted about my admiration for Le Pen a few years ago on here. I was quietly disappointed that she lost but I couldn't voice that to my leftist friends who celebrated her loss. I have also vented my frustrations about the far-left and my disillusionment with it on here, as well. You can even find a thread about me being excited about Trump's decision to run for president because I thought he would be different (I was mistaken and quickly abandoned any hope in him).

I follow a wide variety of media, from Marxists to white nationalists. I follow a ton of different people on social media, from Shaun King of BLM to Milo Yiannopoulos (neither of which I like). I like to pay attention to different things.

Yes, I've been reading a lot about Europe's sitution and the West in general. Honestly, I am very alarmed by our cultural decay and nihilism, to say the least.

Thanks.

 

[YmirGF]

At the risk of getting my fleshy bits shot off, I deeply respect a youtube personality known as Benjamin Boyce.

His talks on the Evergreen College and, to a lesser extent Wilfred Laurier, meltdowns are both evocative and often entertaining. What makes him different is that he doesn't just rant. He reads selected pieces and dissects them, often with considerable aplomb. He DOES try to be somewhat fair with the material he is covering, but the topics are so dense that one really has to watch his videos in chronological order. It also helps to have a working understanding of Intersectionality and Gender Studies before wading into his turf. Have no illusions though. Ben tends to cover the most toxic material, so, be forewarned.

Benjamin A Boyce

This is his latest video ... it's great.

@icehorse Anything to add?

Fair warning: Upon reflection, I'm not sure Ben would describe himself as a conservative. I don't think I have heard him say one way or the other.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

At the risk of getting my fleshy bits shot off, I deeply respect a youtube personality known as Benjamin Boyce.

His talks on the Evergreen College and, to a lesser extent Wilfred Laurier, meltdowns are both evocative and often entertaining. What makes him different is that he doesn't just rant. He reads selected pieces and dissects them, often with considerable aplomb. He DOES try to be somewhat fair with the material he is covering, but the topics are so dense that one really has to watch his videos in chronological order. It also helps to have a working understanding of Intersectionality and Gender Studies before wading into his turf. Have no illusions though. Ben tends to cover the most toxic material, so, be forewarned.

Benjamin A Boyce

The name rings a bell. I'll give him a watch.

 

[YmirGF]

The name rings a bell. I'll give him a watch.

*laughs nervously*

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I will say that my present rethinking of things was kicked into high gear with the pilloring of Kanye West and Candace Owens for daring to have a different opinion that is currently going on. And I don't even like Kanye. But I've seen him and her called the most vulgar racist terms, accused of self-hatred, denied his status as a black men, suspected of having a mental breakdown and accused of being a race traitor by black people. (White people can just get away with calling him a "collaborator", as one of my white friends did on Facebook but even another white person PC policed her over it, lol, so maybe that is not even allowed). I've seen his wife, Kim Kardashian, referred to as being of "colonizer descent" ("colonizer" seems to be a new racist buzzword for whites that non-white activists are using now). It is totally insane and only proving him right. I have to take his side on this.

I was already getting sick of it because I go to this transgender support group and there's a lot of infighting over the stifling PC culture of trans activism. Many of us don't agree with how it is going and if we say anything about it, someone gets "offended" and complains. A group of us complain about it to each other.

So it's been building for me for awhile.

 

[Spiderman]

It's not exactly new for me. I've posted about my admiration for Le Pen a few years ago on here. I was quietly disappointed that she lost but I couldn't voice that to my leftist friends who celebrated her loss. I have also vented my frustrations about the far-left and my disillusionment with it on here, as well. You can even find a thread about me being excited about Trump's decision to run for president because I thought he would be different (I was mistaken and quickly abandoned any hope in him).

I follow a wide variety of media, from Marxists to white nationalists. I follow a ton of different people on social media, from Shaun King of BLM to Milo Yiannopoulos (neither of which I like). I like to pay attention to different things.

Yes, I've been reading a lot about Europe's sitution and the West in general. Honestly, I am very alarmed by our cultural decay and nihilism, to say the least.

Thanks.

Wow! You are proof to me that transgenders for gay rights can still sympathise with and listen to the most despised conservatives.

I guess I mistakenly assumed transgender folks for gay rights were totally closed off to what the far-right has to say, and refused to acknowledge the damage that immigration, multiculturalism, nihilism, political correctness, and other leftist policies can indeed seem to be enabling.

I'm glad to see proof that I was mistaken about transgender people for gay rights. I should not have assumed that they are totally closed off to the errors of the left and the views of the right.

Things just aren't black and white.

 

[Spiderman]

@Saint Frankenstein ,
I agree that women should have reproductive rights, and sometimes abortion can be the most merciful decision and the lesser of two evils.

However, If a woman is 6 months pregnant, and she has an abortion, would you consider that the killing of a human being?

I see that you are very open to right wing views, so I can't resist asking your personal opinion on this touchy subject.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wow! You are proof to me that transgenders for gay rights can still sympathise with and listen to the most despised conservatives.

I guess I mistakenly assumed transgender folks for gay rights were totally closed off to what the far-right has to say, and refused to acknowledge the damage that immigration, nihilism, political correctness, and other leftist policies can indeed seem to be enabling.

I'm glad to see proof that I was mistaken about transgender people for gay rights. I should not have assumed that they are totally closed off to the errors of the left and the views of the right.

Things just aren't black and white.

No. There's always been LGBT conservatives and nationalists, along with those who just aren't happy with the way activism is being carried out and are tired of strict PC culture. The right-wing in Western Europe does a lot better at courting LGBT people than the American right-wing does, which tends to still be mired in evangelical Protestant prejudices. I predict that will change more and more as time goes on.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

@Saint Frankenstein ,
I agree that women should have reproductive rights, and sometimes abortion can be the most merciful decision and the lesser of two evils.

However, If a woman is 6 months pregnant, and she has an abortion, would you consider that the killing of a human being?

I see that you are very open to right wing views, so I can't resist asking your personal opinion on this touchy subject.

Well, I do think a fetus is a human being. I never was quite comfortable with the rhetorical techniques pro-choicers use to try to argue the humanity of the fetus away. I would appreciate it more and it would be more honest of them if they just owned up to the fact that abortion does kill a living being. Now the real question is should it be legal. I do think that abortion should be legal for things like medical emergencies, rape and incest. I cannot really judge someone in those cases, although I do think it is sad. I certainly wouldn't support it as a form of birth control. Technically, both abortion and birth control like condoms and the pill are sinful in Catholicism but surely one has much more gravity than the other. I'd rather someone use birth control than resort to abortion. If I'm wrong, that's between me and God.

 

[Spiderman]

Well, I do think a fetus is a human being. I never was quite comfortable with the rhetorical techniques pro-choicers use to try to argue the humanity of the fetus away. I would appreciate it more and it would be more honest of them if they just owned up to the fact that abortion does kill a living being. Now the real question is should it be legal. I do think that abortion should be legal for things like medical emergencies, rape and incest. I cannot really judge someone in those cases, although I do think it is sad. I certainly wouldn't support it as a form of birth control. Technically, both abortion and birth control like condoms and the pill are sinful in Catholicism but surely one has much more gravity than the other. I'd rather someone use birth control than resort to abortion. If I'm wrong, that's between me and God.

well said! I'm totally with you.

although I respect the decision of the Popes, the encyclicals, and the church councils, I see contraception as by far the lesser of two evils, and a necessary evil, and sometimes question whether it is evil at all...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

well said! I'm totally with you.

although I respect the decision of the Popes, the encyclicals, and the church councils, I see contraception as by far the lesser of two evils, and a necessary evil, and sometimes question whether it is evil at all...

I recall that most theologians disagreed with that encyclical calling contraception gravely sinful in all circumstances. The vast majority of Catholics just ignore it, anyway.

The way I see it is that the ideal is to only have vaginal sex within a heterosexual sacramental marriage and for the sex to be open to conception. However, the vast majority will fall short of that and we should be understanding. At least a person using a condom is showing some sign of caring about themselves and their partner. I think most priests would be understanding. They would have to be.

 

[Spiderman]

I recall that most theologians disagreed with that encyclical calling contraception gravely sinful in all circumstances. The vast majority of Catholics just ignore it, anyway.

The way I see it is that the ideal is to only have vaginal sex within a heterosexual sacramental marriage and for the sex to be open to conception. However, the vast majority will fall short of that and we should be understanding. At least a person using a condom is showing some sign of caring about themselves and their partner. I think most priests would be understanding. They would have to be.

Once again, I am pleasantly surprised and impressed to hear you say that.

I'm really praying that you will be comfortable going to confession.

The priest doesn't need to see your face or know who you are.

He is educated, trained, and experienced, and heard it all before I'm sure.

If he has any of the virtues of Christ, he is not going to judge or condemn you.

Jesus hung out with the prostitutes, the tax collectors, the drunkards, and the sinners. He was criticized for it by the religious people, and responded that it is the sick who need a doctor, not those who are well... he said he came for the sinners not the righteous.

He said there is more rejoicing in heaven over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous people in no need of repentance.

Jesus is close to people like yourself. It is people like you that he came for.

He said, the Good Shepherd leaves the 99 sheep In Search of the one sheep that went astray, and when he finds that lost sheep he rejoices more over that sheep than the rest of the flock.

Jesus preferred to kick it with people like you, rather than the religious people.

I think most priests are quite aware of this.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Once again, I am pleasantly surprised and impressed to hear you say that.

I'm really praying that you will be comfortable going to confession.

The priest doesn't need to see your face or know who you are.

He is educated, trained, and experienced, and heard it all before I'm sure.

If he has any of the virtues of Christ, he is not going to judge or condemn you.

Jesus hung out with the prostitutes, the tax collectors, the drunkards, and the sinners. He was criticized for it by the religious people, and responded that it is the sick who need a doctor, not those who are well... he said he came for the sinners not the righteous.

He said there is more rejoicing in heaven over one repentant sinner than 99 righteous people in no need of repentance.

Jesus is close to people like yourself. It is people like you that he came for.

He said, the Good Shepherd leaves the 99 sheep In Search of the one sheep that went astray, and when he finds that lost sheep he rejoices more over that sheep than the rest of the flock.

Jesus preferred to kick it with people like you, rather than the religious people.

I think most priests are quite aware of this.

Very true.

Ideally, I'd like to make friends with a priest and sit down to have a long talk with him about coming back to the Church because I've been away for years. I was trying to follow other religions, hating Christ and the Church, blaspheming, fornicating, being perverted, etc. I just don't know any priests now. The priests I knew and was comfortable with aren't there anymore. One has retired and the other has passed away.

I could also just be anonymous like you said and just confess from behind the screen. I have to decide soon because I really miss the Eucharist. I'm just very shamed and I have am anxiety disorder which makes me terrified of being embarrassed in front of someone and feeling judged.

 

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[Spiderman]

Very true.

Ideally, I'd like to make friends with a priest and sit down to have a long talk with him about coming back to the Church because I've been away for years. I was trying to follow other religions, hating Christ and the Church, blaspheming, fornicating, being perverted, etc. I just don't know any priests now. The priests I knew and was comfortable with aren't there anymore. One has retired and the other has passed away.

I could also just be anonymous like you said and just confess from behind the screen. I have to decide soon because I really miss the Eucharist. I'm just very shamed and I have am anxiety disorder which makes me terrified of being embarrassed in front of someone and feeling judged.

I'm really feeling some sorrow to read about the struggle you are going through.

You seem to be truly in no man's land.

I just think it is truly heroic that you want to leave those vices behind and return to the Church and the Eucharist, despite the inner conflicts that such a decision causes.

We are all sinners. We are all just disordered, and full of flaws, shame, guilt, and defects.

I can guarantee that Jesus is more offended with the self-righteous hypocrites, than the humble repentant sinners.

When the Pharisee was praying next to the sinful tax collector, the Pharisee was thanking God that he prays and fasts, and thanking God that he is not like the sinful man next to him.

The sinful tax collector was full of shame and just beat his chest and repeated "Lord have mercy on me a sinner"...

Jesus said it was the sinful tax collector that left justified, not the self-righteous religious person.

If you run into a priest that judges you or despises you, that is a reflection of him not you.

That is his flaw, his weakness, his bias, his fear, and certainly not a reflection of a Christlike attitude.

It appears to me, that you're doing better than I am, and a lot of Christians for that matter.

Regarding the Eucharist, I had a Jesuit tell me that, if you are truly sorry for your sins, please receive the Eucharist, even if you haven't been to confession.

He said, to tell sinners not to receive the Eucharist, is like telling a sick person not to take their medicine.

the catechism says a person in a state mortal sin, has no charity in their heart, and has completely turned their back on God.

At least from what you say, I see a person who has charity in their heart, has the desire to change, and has true Contrition for sin.

If I am correct about that, then according to the catechism, your soul is not in a state of mortal sin.

I will be praying for you, because I believe your charity towards people who are disordered and sick, has greater potential, than most Catholics, because you have experienced so much, and you think more deeply about so many of the issues that afflict so many people, in our dying culture.

You have greater potential to understand where the lepers of society are coming from, and what it's like to be deeply afflicted, haunted, and tortured mentally, sexually, and emotionally.

Jesus is very close to people like you. He said, "blessed are they who are full of sorrow (who mourn)"..." the Lord is close to the Brokenhearted and those whose Spirits are crushed"... he came for the Sinners not the righteous.

You could be a great minister to the gay, lesbian, and transgender community. I'm very moved by things you have to say and see a lot of promise and potential in you. So does God!

Keep your chin up! I actually have a lot of faith in you ... do you see me saying such things to other members of the Forum?

Yes I've benefited from other people's corrections and criticism, and given them due props, but no other member on this forum has influenced me as much as you have.

some people might label you a freak or a weirdo.

So what! That's who Jesus came for.

I really think the church needs you, and I would hate to see the church lose you.

Your wounds can be a source of healing for others.

I'm not capable of telling you how great it is to be schooled and inspired by a transgender LGBT member who has a good heart, rational thought, open mind, good intentions, good ideas, faith, and sound morals.

I used to judge such people. And you totally proved me wrong on this thread and so many other times.

Things just aren't black and white, and I had some inner convictions that you put in check, as only you seem to be able to do.

Hence, I have a lot of confidence in you, and wish you would stop beating yourself up and caring about what others think.

God is love and more accepting of you and understanding than I am.

It isn't comfortable giving such flattery, but you truly are a hero to me, fighting the battle you are up against.

So, I hold you in my heart and pray that God will fully enlighten you and heal you!

I see enormous potential!

God bless you!