"Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve"

[Axe Elf]

The first male and female were created on the 6th day.
And then God rested on the 7th day.
And then on the next day God created
Adam and Eve.

So what were the names of the first male and female, and did they party with A&E much, or did they hang out in a different part of the Garden--and why is there no further mention of them?

Gotta love a denomination of one.

 

[Audie]

You know, like "Xmas"?

The Greek letter "chi" (which looks like an "X") has traditionally stood for "Christ" through the centuries; just shorthand on my part.

I done know where Xmas is. Kazakstan,
maybe.

Next look up Hua Shan, near Xian.

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[Axe Elf]

I done know where Xmas is. Kazakstan,
maybe.

Next look up Hua Shan, near Xian.

 

[ecco]

Just saying...

Dr. Fazele Rana is a biochemist and disagrees. What can I say?

This Rana?

Fazale Rana - RationalWiki

Rana has a PhD in biochemistry and has published a book titled, The Cell's Design: How Chemistry Reveals the Creator's Artistry (2008), advocating creationism and denying evolution.

He pretends in his book he is a secular intelligent design advocate however Rana is a devout Christian and Biblical creationist who is one of the founders of the Reasons To Believe organisation, a Christian creationist think tank that promotes Christian progressive creationism.[1][2]
In fact, Rana's work is characterized by topics and arguments usually associated with young earth creationism.
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It sounds like he is the one doing "infiltrating". Trying to infiltrate science with his nonsense.



Bottom line is, as I have often stated, people believe in science up to the point it conflicts with their indoctrinated religious beliefs. Then one of two things happen, they revise their religious views or they begin twisting science to fit their religious views. Rana falls into the latter category.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You do realize that Audie knew what she was doing in her first "Xian" post, don't you?

 

[ecco]

Yes... that always happens... two people look at the same information and come to different conclussions. In this case Dr Rana vs the other person.

In this case Dr Rana vs the REST OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

 

[Axe Elf]

You do realize that Audie knew what she was doing in her first "Xian" post, don't you?

Hijacking my meaning for humorous effect?

I thought I was following suit...

 

[Audie]

That is not Hua Shan

This is Hua Snah

hua shan - Results For Yahoo Image Search Results

 

[Audie]

Hijacking my meaning for humorous effect?

I thought I was following suit...

Poor subzie

 

[ecco]

That is wonderful. The geneaology seems simple enough to me. It is always amazing (to me) how we can call it a "myth" and give names of the people all the way to Jesus Christ.

If you believe in the genealogy, then you know that A&E were alive 6000 years ago. Just ask Bishop Ussher.

On the other hand, where is the connection between the OT genealogy and JC?
Mary begat Jesus. However, Mary was not impregnated by anyone mentioned in the OT genelogy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

So what were the names of the first male and female, and did they party with A&E much, or did they hang out in a different part of the Garden--and why is there no further mention of them?

Gotta love a denomination of one.

Whatever do you mean, You can find those first males and females throughout the whole bible, and even find them throughout the whole world.

As to where do you think all the races came from.
What do you think all the races came from Adam and Eve, Now that would be amazing.
Seeing Adam and Eve were of one race.

 

[Axe Elf]

Whatever do you mean, You can find those first males and females throughout the whole bible, and even find them throughout the whole world.

As to where do you think all the races came from.
What do you think all the races came from Adam and Eve, Now that would be amazing.
Seeing Adam and Eve were of one race.

Oh, I thought we were talking about real things. Never mind.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whatever do you mean, You can find those first males and females throughout the whole bible, and even find them throughout the whole world.

As to where do you think all the races came from.
What do you think all the races came from Adam and Eve, Now that would be amazing.
Seeing Adam and Eve were of one race.

How literally do you take the Bible? I thought the races of man did not appear until after the Noah's Ark myth.

 

[Kenny]

Please, you know that I am not the delusional one here. I can always support my claims. You seem to be lacking when it comes to that ability. In fact whenever I offer to go over the concept of scientific evidence with you you tend to run away.

"Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls."


Scientific evidence - Wikipedia

To even have scientific evidence for your beliefs you first by definition need at the very least a testable scientific theory or hypothesis. What scientific (that means testable) hypothesis does Rana have? If he does not have a way to reasonably test his claims then by definition he has no scientific evidence for them.

Creationists hate to make those from my experience since they are all easily refuted. And once a hypothesis is refuted it in effect no longer exists.

Yes... you have said that before but on the doctoral level I have seen one respond with another with facts and deduction which is then refuted by the opposing view and the refutted statements were then refutted and so on and so on....

So I realize that it is still in flux.

Question is, can you admit that it is still in flux or do you have a flat-earth mentality.

 

[Kenny]

The question is which interpretation is consistent with the evidence. Or do you think all interpretations are equal?

Depends on who you are talking to.

How many viewpoints are there on how we have what we see? We all see the evidence, but the viewpoints vary depending on what they use.

However, all interpretations are not equal.

 

[Kenny]

How literally do you take the Bible? I thought the races of man did not appear until after the Noah's Ark myth.

There is no Biblical basis for that viewpoint. What verse are you using to support that position? Or are you just repeating something you heard?

 

[Kenny]

So science is "liberal"?

Where did I say that? Straw man fallacy?

 

[Kenny]

This Rana?

Fazale Rana - RationalWiki

Rana has a PhD in biochemistry and has published a book titled, The Cell's Design: How Chemistry Reveals the Creator's Artistry (2008), advocating creationism and denying evolution.

He pretends in his book he is a secular intelligent design advocate however Rana is a devout Christian and Biblical creationist who is one of the founders of the Reasons To Believe organisation, a Christian creationist think tank that promotes Christian progressive creationism.[1][2]
In fact, Rana's work is characterized by topics and arguments usually associated with young earth creationism.
​

It sounds like he is the one doing "infiltrating". Trying to infiltrate science with his nonsense.



Bottom line is, as I have often stated, people believe in science up to the point it conflicts with their indoctrinated religious beliefs. Then one of two things happen, they revise their religious views or they begin twisting science to fit their religious views. Rana falls into the latter category.

I understand.... just heap everybody under one heading so that regardless of what they say, it is irrelevant.

Can I do that to you too?

 

[Kenny]

In this case Dr Rana vs the REST OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY.

Citation?

 

[Kenny]

If you believe in the genealogy, then you know that A&E were alive 6000 years ago. Just ask Bishop Ussher.

On the other hand, where is the connection between the OT genealogy and JC?
Mary begat Jesus. However, Mary was not impregnated by anyone mentioned in the OT genelogy.

You have two genealogies... one through Mary(spiritual) and one through Joseph (legal). Because it does match your parameters of interpretation doesn't mean it is wrong.