MonkeyFire
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Pike to manzini part 3 is already in motion. The nhilist devil is real.
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Is There Anyway To Prevent WW3?
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Understand being polite; yet within truly meaning the word...
If someone is full of Asuras, as they've not cleansed their own vision; then we're saying Namaste to a lower standard than the Gita sets.
Like imagine two temples, one with everything tidy, and polished with love; the other with loads of imps running around tearing at everything, and misdirecting....
Then why would we open both doors, and let the imps run into the nice temple?... Instead help the person cleanse their imps first.
Satyamavejayanti
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Namaste,
I don't know what you are full of, but when I say Namaste, i am not talking to your ego which can be full of whatever.
A temple, is the Place of divinity, it can have rats, or be clean, this does not defile the divinity within.
You're so busy thinking your debating, that you've lost track of what is being said.... That was a nice metaphor about cleaning out our soul, nothing to do with temples.
The idea you think your soul can be full of rats, be unclean, and not defiled; is why currently not saying Namaste to people who are not connected...
we've got no divinity within us, until we make the effort according to the Gita to cleanse our soul.
You do know what I'm full of by my interaction; we can tell many of a person's demons, by the things they're projecting across on to others.
As for saying Namaste to the ego, we do....
Ego is our projection into the world, so on a surface level that is the first thing that is spoken to, next it passes the self, and finally might reach the soul; if the person isn't full of their own ego.
When someone is just talking from their projections, so that the ego continually tries to reflect everything back in an attempt to protect the self; it is noticeable when the ego doesn't even recognize someone is speaking from the soul to help.
Satyamavejayanti
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You missed my metaphor completely.
No, i don't think we can make such a judgement.
Dhanyavad
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God's will is God's will. Whatever it is operates independently of what I, or anybody else 'thinks' of it.
It will be as it will be, inShaAllah.
Alhamdulillah.
I just endeavor to be on the winning team.
It will be as it will be, inShaAllah.
Alhamdulillah.
I just endeavor to be on the winning team.
That is so hypocritical, after making so many faulty judgements about me, projecting everything you think before asking, and then claiming not to make such judgements using a rational mechanism of seeing where someone projects ego onto you, to often see where they've got their own issues.
Sorry, explain it then, please?
Satyamavejayanti
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That is so hypocritical, after making so many faulty judgements about me, projecting everything you think before asking, and then claiming not to make such judgements using a rational mechanism of seeing where someone projects ego onto you, to often see where they've got their own issues.
No, i don't think this is Hypocritical, i observed your posts and words and made my observation known, if some of those observations are faulty you have every right to defend your self, as you have done so.
What i said is in the context of judging peoples "Asura qualities', i can't make a judgement on your "Asura", qualities by mere limited interaction on a forum, i can make observations and assume your intentions and you have only strengthen my assumption which have nothing to do with your Asura qualities, but no way have i a right to now pass judgement on your "Asura", qualities as you have not displayed such qualities in your posts. Sorry i was not talking in general, as what i said in #143 was specific to my observation of you.
It is a "metaphor" (i assume that is the right word) from my Hindu perspective, what you suggested is that there are 2 temples one "unclean" and one well organised referring to the "Asura", Matta and "Deva", Matta, but by using the metaphor of temple you forget that the "temple" or Mandir for many Hindus is a place where divinity resides, therefore i gave a interpretation based on the Hindu paradigm of this idea, the cleanliness or uncleanness does not diminish the divine within, or the Asura qualities do not make the Atman impure or Asura in nature.
Hope this is clear, as i am only translating my Hindi thoughts, let not these conversations be about judging each other (which i can also claim you have done to me), but about observations and comments on observations.
Dhanyavad
BG 16.4: O Parth, the qualities of those who possess a demoniac nature are hypocrisy, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness, and ignorance.
BG 9.4: This entire cosmic manifestation is pervaded by me in my unmanifest form. All living beings dwell in me, but I do not dwell in them.
BG 9.29: I am equally disposed to all living beings; I am neither inimical nor partial to anyone. But the devotees who worship me with love reside in me and I reside in them.
BG 16.18: Blinded by egotism, strength, arrogance, desire, and anger, the demonic abuse my presence within their own body and in the bodies of others.
BG 16.21: There are three gates leading to the hell of self-destruction for the soul—lust, anger, and greed. Therefore, all should abandon these three.
Satyamavejayanti
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Namaste,
Although you have quoted the Gita out of the context of my reply, i will respond anyway.
Here is a detailed description and interpretation i found on a Hindu Website.
"Hypocrisy - Pretending to be righteous but living in unrighteous way of life.
Arrogance - Pride in one's learning, wealth, social status or family connections thereby living in imagined self-importance. This leads to self-conceit.
Anger - When a person of self-conceit looks at the world and finds that its estimate of him is totally different from his own he becomes angry over everything around him which leads to audacity.
All these qualities arise from one's own self-assessment out of self-delusion and ignorance about the scheme of life in the world around him. This ignorance of oneself and his relationship with the world around is the cause of his revolt against his environment and the resultant eccentric actions."
Actually now come to think of it, some of these do apply to you.
Well thanks for proving my point, nothing diminishes the divine.
No, i found another translation that makes things more clear.
BG.16.18
ahankaaram balam darpam kaamam krodham cha samshritaah
mam aatmaparadeheshu pradwishanto’bhyasooyakaah // 16.18 //
Given over to egoism, power, and pride and also to lust and anger, these malicious people hate Me in their own bodies and those of others.
This applies to your view point, you have excluded and denied the divine in the bodies of those who you consider Demonic.
BG.16.21
trividham narakasyedam dwaaram naashanamaatmanah
kaamah krodhastathaa lobhastasmaadetattrayam tyajet // 16.21 //
Triple is the gate of this Naraka, destructive to the Self - (these are) lust, anger and greed- therefore, one should abandon these three.
reading further:
BG.16.22
etairvimuktah kaunteya tamodwaaraistribhirnarah
aacharatyaatmanah shreyas tato yaati paraam gatim // 16.22 //
A man who is liberated from these three gates to darkness, O Kaunteya, practices what is good for him and thus goes to the Supreme goal.
The explanation from a "Hindu website",
"Sri Krishna says that an individual having repeatedly reached the Asuric environments, life after life, fails to realize the Infinite Self. They never climb higher in their culture and sink to the bottom most level in their evolution and thus complete their fall.
The Lord advises how even the one who has fallen so hopelessly can improve his spiritual evolution. He says that there are three gateways to hell viz. desire, anger and greed. These characteristics are corollary to each other. He emphasizes that these three evils must be abandoned if one wants to rise up in the ladder of spirituality.
The Lord says that the one who has abandoned these three gateways to darkness will steadily progress towards the life's goal. He will be practicing what is good for him; good in the sense that which not only brings happiness to the practitioner but also contributes much to the well being of the others around him. Progressing thus in the right direction such an individual goes to the Supreme, reaches the goal of life."
There is no physical place for Hell, as the metaphorical "gates", are psychological states of the mind and not actual gates that are locked or have a gate keeper or are in some physical place.
Dhanyavad
Satyamavejayanti
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Only used Hindu website here because some people may think that I am not a Authentic Hindu.
This is a mental statement, it is like saying I'm going to apply my own meaning to something you've posted in a contexts, as i don't like your context.
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The term satan means an accuser, devil a slanderer.
Since everything that exists is within the Matrix, and is manifested by the CPU....
The demonic spirits (viruses) influence the individual souls to fall lower; until them souls become Asuras as well.
Satyamavejayanti
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Are you accusing me of being a "Satan",??
Dhanyavad
In Hebrew a prosecutor is called Hasatan...
If someone wishes to accuse other people, then they're the ones fulfilling the specification...
This is what is being defined in the Gita as well; it comes from arrogance, and other demonic traits.
Satyamavejayanti
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In Hebrew a prosecutor is called Hasatan...
If someone wishes to accuse other people, then they're the ones fulfilling the specification...
This is what is being defined in the Gita as well; it comes from arrogance, and other demonic traits.
So, you are accusing me???
Don't need to accuse you:
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When we point at others, there are always 3 fingers pointing back, and there are always ways we could improve.
DennisTate
Active Member
According to Biblical prophecy, all nations are to come against Jerusalem, and then God steps in to save those who are righteous; why do we need to have a World War, and everyone removed before people will accept who the Messiah is?
Surely this isn't something most people want, as most people are not invited to the Messianic age; therefore they will be removed from reality, according to most eschatology globally (Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, American Indian, Taoism, etc).
Can't we work to fix the things, why do people need to argue rather than look for solutions; realize some people think it is all fantasy, especially some of the people within the religions themselves.... Yet too much of the prophecy has already happened to the letter.
Are true prophecies inevitable or is it possible to turn it all around, and God to change his mind; if we all recognized the error of our ways like Nineveh?
Is there anyway within prophecy for the Messiah to reverse it or does it have to be a final war, and God destroying all those who don't accept, before we can progress?
If you knew you were personally responsible because of your beliefs, would you change to avoid world wide destruction?
Wow! What an awesome question........
Yes.... I do believe that nuclear WWIII can be avoided..... and humanity is free to make better choices and go right into
the era of Moshiach!
This is one of the best explanations for how we can alter the future that I have ever read:
The Future and the Near-Death Experience
3. The future is not fixed and can change
During Karen Schaeffer's NDE, she was shown her children's future as it would exist if she decided to remain in the light. Because she decided to return, the future she was shown did not happen. This suggests that the future is always changing from moment to moment based upon our current actions and decisions. This principle supports quantum mechanic principles.
One of Margot Grey's NDE research subjects stated:
"During my experience ... I was also shown events that are likely to happen in the near future, but was made to understand that nothing is absolutely fixed and that everything depends on how we choose to use our own free will, that even those events that are already predestined can be changed or modified by a change in our own way of relating to them." (Grey, 1985, p. 123)
NDE experiencer Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:
"We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different." (Howard Storm)
Howard Storm was also told how a single person can change the world:
"All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change" (Howard Storm)
During Ricky Randolph's NDE, he was told virtually the same thing:
"You must return and help others to change by changing your life!" (Ricky Randolph)
Dannion Brinkley was told how the future is conditional upon human beings:
"If you follow what you have been taught and keep living the same way you have lived the last thirty years, all of this will surely be upon you. If you change, you can avoid the coming war. If you follow this dogma, the world by the year 2004 will not be the same one you now know. But it can still be changed and you can help change it." (Dannion Brinkley)
Brinkley was also told that the future is not cast in stone:
"The flow of human events can be changed, but first people have to know what they are." (Dannion Brinkley)
Brinkley also gives the following advice on how people can change the world:
"The quickest way to change the world is to be of service to others. Show that your love can make a difference in the lives of people and thereby someone else's love can make a difference in your life. By each of us doing that and working together we change the world one inner person at a time." (Dannion Brinkley)
During Dr. George Ritchie's NDE, Jesus said that Ritchie had 45 years to accomplish a particular mission:
"It is left to humanity which direction they shall choose. I came to this planet to show you through the life I led how to love. Without our Father you can do nothing, neither could I. I showed you this. You have 45 years." (Dr. George Ritchie)
Darn it @wizanda call someone a Satan who'd appreciate the compliment, like me.
When we point at others, there are always 3 fingers pointing back, and there are always ways we could improve.
On the other hand, I don't need to be flawless to point out murder. For an extreme.
In my opinion:
Also for the war not to happen, we have to then accept the Bible was wrong or God has to edit the text, so it never says there will be a war.
In my opinion.
Agreed it could be avoided; yet it will take global cooperation, and currently most are divided in someway.
According to my understanding of prophetic text it isn't a choice... The Messianic age comes with force, and many will simply be left out.
It is alright to point out where someone is in error, to explain how something is wrong; yet when we slander (devil) or accuse (satan) someone, we're stepping over a line of it being insulting without merit.
The cases you posted are mainly individuals, and in that instance it is possible to change our own course slightly; yet when there are global eschatologies that have had a lot already fulfilled, it is like trying to turn a cargo boat around, compared to a dinghy.
Also for the war not to happen, we have to then accept the Bible was wrong or God has to edit the text, so it never says there will be a war.
In my opinion.
DennisTate
Active Member
I personally am a Christian (Messianic Gentile / Noahide) who believes firmly that Christian and Islamic support for the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 will play a huge role in shifting humanity over to a time line that will lead to the earth rapidly being transformed into a paradise.
I got right into this topic as I introduced myself here:
I am a Christian who supports the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple...