A bit Effeminate? Don't Count on Going to Heaven.

[Skwim]

In 24% of the Bible versions I looked at, 13 out of 55, god uses effeminacy as a reason to exclude men from heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
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Which means you don't even need to be homosexual, just a little light in the loafers and you're out. Married and your wife is shooting out a young-un every October? It doesn't matter. If you're limp wristed and appreciate a well designed dress you'd better prepare for hell. Interestingly though, god evidently has no problem with butch women. A woman can wear plaid woolen shirts, don lumberjack boots, chew tabac and spit on the sidewalk, and she still gets to go through the pearly gates.

So, what's going on? What's god's problem with men with feminine characteristics? A problem so appalling that it's as sinful as fornication and adultery.

Truthfully, I looked through the Bible trying to find a reason, but came up dry.


What do you think?

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[Mister Silver]

It's also poignant to mention at this point that there was no such word for "gay" or "homosexual" back when the bible was written.

The word "effeminate" was considered "gay" or "homosexual" to them back then.

Forget that straight men can be feminine, I mean sheesh.

 

[Skwim]

It's also poignant to mention at this point that there was no such word for "gay" or "homosexual" back when the bible was written.

The word "effeminate" was considered "gay" or "homosexual" to them back then.

Forget that straight men can be feminine, I mean sheesh.

So why would the New American Standard Bible and others go to the trouble to make the distinction between the two as it does in 1Corinthians 6:9?

And according to the Bibles that mention effeminacy it should not be forgotten because it will end one up in hell. I mean sheesh, isn't that reason enough to remember it?

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[Mister Silver]

So why would the New American Standard Bible and others go to the trouble to make the distinction between the two as it does in 1Corinthians 6:9?

And according to the Bibles that mention effeminacy it should not be forgotten because it will end one up in hell. I mean sheesh, isn't that reason enough to remember it?

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I'm certain they still had to maintain biblical face by ensuring effeminacy was still mentioned. They knew full well gay men could be masculine; heck, the Greeks proved that to them.

 

[Skwim]

I'm certain they still had to maintain biblical face by ensuring effeminacy was still mentioned. They knew full well gay men could be masculine; heck, the Greeks proved that to them.

Oh, I get it. They could mask their homosexuality from god by playing macho. I mean sheesh.

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[Spiderman]

I feel effeminate because I no longer stand up for myself now that my bones are broken and my knees damaged... I used to not care whether I got in a fight or getting punched didn't really bother me much... Now I'm weak and broken and it feels effeminate. Guess I'm going to hell

 

[Mister Silver]

Guess I'm going to hell

You're not worthy of hell, dude. Not even close.

 

[Spiderman]

You're not worthy of hell, dude. Not even close.

I feel the same way about you

 

[Skwim]

I feel the same way about you

Hold on! Ever see him sip tea? He always extends his little pinky. Which, I believe, is why he doth protest too much here.

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[Spiderman]

Hold on! Ever see him sip tea? He always extends his little pinky.

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Oh well in that case I better stop doing the same

 

[Skwim]

Oh well in that case I better stop doing the same

God is watching!

 

[Kuzcotopia]

In 24% of the Bible versions I looked at, 13 out of 55, god uses effeminacy as a reason to exclude men from heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
​

Which means you don't even need to be homosexual, just a little light in the loafers and you're out. Married and your wife is shooting out a young-un every October? It doesn't matter. If you're or limp wristed and appreciate a well designed dress you'd better prepare for hell. Interestingly though, god evidently has no problem with butch women. A woman can wear plaid woolen shirts, don lumberjack boots, chew tabac and spit on the sidewalk, and she still gets to go through the pearly gates.

So, what's going on? What's god's problem with men with feminine characteristics? A problem so appalling that it's as sinful as fornication and adultery.

Truthfully, I looked through the Bible a bit trying to find a reason, but came up dry.


What do you think?

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I see the biblical concept of "effeminate" may have been something Paul himself had a problem with.

Remember, he was a crotchety old man when he wrote these letters, and saw things from a very specific, and limited, cultural perspective. Based on his writing, I see huge personal insecurities about his own sexuality and masculinity.

 

[Spiderman]

I see the biblical concept of "effeminate" may have been something Paul himself had a problem with.

Remember, he was a crotchety old man when he wrote these letters, and saw things from a very specific, and limited, cultural perspective. Based on his writing, I see huge personal insecurities about his own sexuality and masculinity.

 

[Enoch07]

In 24% of the Bible versions I looked at, 13 out of 55, god uses effeminacy as a reason to exclude men from heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
​

Which means you don't even need to be homosexual, just a little light in the loafers and you're out. Married and your wife is shooting out a young-un every October? It doesn't matter. If you're or limp wristed and appreciate a well designed dress you'd better prepare for hell. Interestingly though, god evidently has no problem with butch women. A woman can wear plaid woolen shirts, don lumberjack boots, chew tabac and spit on the sidewalk, and she still gets to go through the pearly gates.

So, what's going on? What's god's problem with men with feminine characteristics? A problem so appalling that it's as sinful as fornication and adultery.

Truthfully, I looked through the Bible a bit trying to find a reason, but came up dry.


What do you think?

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Probably because you are pulling a strawman on the bible inadvertently. By using the modern definition.

Lets take it back to the original greek.

Strong's Greek: 3120. μαλακός (malakos) -- soft, effeminate

An exert: Definition: (a) soft, (b) of persons: soft, delicate

This just means too kind, a pushover, a wuss, a coward, a person weak of character. These individuals are easily manipulated and do not stand up for their beliefs. Is this the kind of person you would want to depend on? Nobody does they are pretty much useless.

 

[DavidFirth]

Skwim, our sure do seem to do a lot of studying about a God you don't believe and His book the Bible, which you also don't believe.

Why all this obsession about what you deny?

 

[Benjamin Bradley]

So this is pretty confusing, but I'll try to explain it the best I can. The Greek word that is often translated as 'effeminate' or 'male prostitutes' is Malakos. It is a commonly used word in the Bible and, depending on the context, has been translated to mean numerous things. The general meaning attributed to it is 'soft' or 'flexible'. In scripture it refers to everything from fabric to someone with "flexible" morality. In 1 Corinthians 6:9 it is usually interpreted as a male or boy prostitute because of its pairing with the word Arsenokoites.

Arsenokoites is the word that is typically translated as 'homosexuals' or 'sodomites'. This word is a little trickier because there are few other times we have record of its use (in scripture or otherwise), so it is harder to determine its meaning from what little context we have. Outside of scripture it has been used to refer to pedophilia, rape, forcing someone to have sex with you for money, orgies (both heterosexual and homosexual) and incest. Generally it is always in the context of someone with power forcing themselves upon someone without it. In 575 A.D. a Christian treatise on sexual sin noted that men can commit the sin of arsen (singular of arsenokoites) with their wives, suggesting that it is not something exclusive to homosexual or extramarital relations.

I would hypothesize that both the translations of 'effeminate' and 'homosexual' are expressions of cultural fears and anxieties rather than the most accurate translations possible. I think the better argument is that this passage is condemning rape and prostitution more than anything else, but smarter people than I have said otherwise, so who am I to say? Regardless of how you decide to interpret the original Greek, I hope this has helped answer your questions.

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[DavidFirth]

In 24% of the Bible versions I looked at, 13 out of 55, god uses effeminacy as a reason to exclude men from heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (NASB)
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
​

Which means you don't even need to be homosexual, just a little light in the loafers and you're out. Married and your wife is shooting out a young-un every October? It doesn't matter. If you're or limp wristed and appreciate a well designed dress you'd better prepare for hell. Interestingly though, god evidently has no problem with butch women. A woman can wear plaid woolen shirts, don lumberjack boots, chew tabac and spit on the sidewalk, and she still gets to go through the pearly gates.

So, what's going on? What's god's problem with men with feminine characteristics? A problem so appalling that it's as sinful as fornication and adultery.

Truthfully, I looked through the Bible a bit trying to find a reason, but came up dry.


What do you think?

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Look at verse 11.

 

[Skwim]

Skwim, our sure do seem to do a lot of studying about a God you don't believe and His book the Bible, which you also don't believe.

Why all this obsession about what you deny?

First, my interest in your god and religion in general hardly amounts to studying. Both are peculiar constructions that simply pique my interest. Secondly, I find the religiously bewitched mind a curious fabrication. The lengths to which the believer will go to maintain his faith is amazing to say the least; the fabrications and lies of the spokespeople for creationism being a prime example.

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[Skwim]

Look at verse 11.

Provide it.

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[Shadow Wolf]

Skwim, our sure do seem to do a lot of studying about a God you don't believe and His book the Bible, which you also don't believe.

Why all this obsession about what you deny?

I can't speak for Skwim, but me, I have to be ready and prepared to offer Biblical support over why I don't like it when the missionaries and others who come witnesses start asking me about god. They often don't take no for an answer, so it helps to be able to not only speak on their level, but to be way above it.