How are these Great Beings explained?

[CG Didymus]

Wish denied, as I'm not an atheist. I just fully think we need to abandon all of our fairy tales.

Ironically, the Baha'is have a thing about science and religion should agree... and actually lean toward science, man's observations, over religion, supposedly something brought to us from God, because man messes up religion and turns it into superstitious beliefs. But how unbiased are men of science? But, anyway, that is the Baha'i provision to attempt to eradicate fairy tales.

 

[CG Didymus]

Boy - Go away and another 5 pages..............too much to read In the end I note not a lot changed Ha Ha.

The Baha'i Library is Run by Jonah Winters - Jonah Winters

He Lists His Faith as Pastafarian and "The Flying Spaghetti Monster is the deity of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Pastafarianism, a social movement that promotes a light-hearted view of religion and opposes the teaching of intelligent design and creationism in public schools." - Pastafarian

Be Happy everyone

Regards Tony

How does that fit into progressive revelation?

 

[RoaringSilence]

Ironically, the Baha'is have a thing about science and religion should agree... and actually lean toward science, man's observations, over religion, supposedly something brought to us from God, because man messes up religion and turns it into superstitious beliefs. But how unbiased are men of science? But, anyway, that is the Baha'i provision to attempt to eradicate fairy tales.

The realms and planets exist , the reason why they do not wish to merge is in Adveta (non duality)you lose your identity which is positive for those who want it ,

however the creation has a reason and its a cyclic factory to churn the ocean of self knowledge , which evolves the par Brahma as a being and all the interconnected realms which also continue to evolve at higher stages . the interaction between manifest- un manifest is another process in itself.

in bhagwat gita - the ways and reasoning is in detail...for 1- to go to loka's or to go out to un-manifest
in guru granth sahib - way to un manifest is given.

if you come back to manifest - there are two forces - both claim to be good. but both have different reasons to exist. beyond this i will let you be the judge to sense which element attracts you and which do you see as a deception.

on a simpler note ..all ways are given in hindu /sikh scripts.
and many times we have been invaded and manipulated , people till date steal stuff and copy write to market for $..

dharmic religions never profess for conversions , they let things evolve naturally. however the attacks are getting severe towards us , so its time to stand up and defend with awareness or get ready for kal -yug ( when darkness rules in guise of good)

Otherwise the tools to escape will be wiped off for future generations and be replaced by an aggressive force in guise of peace.

if i die today and reborn coz of failed moksha and my personal choice of duality and i come back to this realm and see deceptive god rules..all the scripts will be wiped out..only one script to serve deceptive god will rule.. people with some awakening will be working in underground ..if they re found they will be killed and scripts wiped...and this will go on for many many life times.. no one will escape and all will serve the deceptive god's new scripture.women will be treated like dirt . animals will be farmed . it will worsen deeper and further..(even if this happens for those born will never know spirituality so life would mean world today- spirituality, which isn't that bad but it keeps degenerating to almost no reason to procreate and a MEANINGLESS reason for the un-manifested to create only to demand worship and no evolution beside that new one scripture's demands)

if the other element wins..then everyone will be allowed to progress at their own pace and way some go to loka some moksha. and since god=timeless there is no rush no need to convert or infuse guilt of hell.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

How does that fit into progressive revelation?

It does not, it follows up on the comment of Authorized Baha'i web sites, to which that site is not.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is true, but the Universal House of justice is bound by a constitution that is based on the authoritative Baha'i writings. The Universal House of Justice can not appoint their members as leaders of the Faith. That would be contrary to the spirit and law of the Baha'i Faith.

It is also good to note though that women can also get appointed to the Arm of the Learned.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Sir? I haven't been called that since I served in Hanuman's army. That was many lives ago. Not really, or maybe I was there? Hmmm? I don't remember for sure.

In India, when you hire a driver, they are trained to call you 'Sir'. It was unnerving at first, and I tried to convince him to call me by first name, but he never did. I didn't get used to it. It reeks of class to me.

 

[Vinayaka]

I know you believe in Karma.

Thus if an arsonist had killed people in a fire they lit for that purpose, then found himself a victim of a fire, that would attributed to karma and then all would be fine.

I don't think in terms of religious law, like that. Hinduism doesn't really have any hard and fast laws like that any more. Some old brutal ones have long been discarded by 99.9% of us. Civil law does what it has to do to protect the rest of us from repeat performances. Because of karma, what happens to an individual soul takes care of itself.

 

[Vinayaka]

Quran confirms a Messenger of God from India. It is understood to be Krishna.

So God is a messenger from Himself. That seems contradictory, lol. I can hear it now at the king's door ... "Your Honour, I have a message for you."
"Who is it from?"
"It is from me."

 

[Vinayaka]

It is also good to note though that women can also get appointed to the Arm of the Learned.

Regards Tony

The fact that women can be appointed to something doesn't overrule the fact they can't get elected to the Top position.

But appointed? I thought it was only elections. How much of the governing system is appointed? (Besides the two successive successors, I mean)

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Thanks, do you have the quote from the Quran by chance. Zoroaster is understandable, but why didn't Judaism or Christianity say anything, 'cause wasn't Cyrus a Zoroastrian? It just seems like both Judaism and Christianity treat all other beliefs around them as false.

It was not part of previous Revelations Mission, such as Christianity to talk about every other Manifestations who had come before Jesus, such as Krishna. In old times, the world was not as connected as our Age. I would think that majority of People who lived 3500 years, or 2000 years ago in Israel were not aware in Religions of other countries, such as India. Thus, it did not make sense if Jesus had spoke to them about Krishna.
The Mission of Jesus was to bring new teachings, rather than talking about every previous Manifestation. However, people in that region, were familiar with Abraham or Noah. Thus mention of Them has been made in Bible.
All these Religions had promised of a Resurrection Day of All mankind, when the time for uniting mankind comes; the time for establishing God's kingdom on earth. That is the Day to bring All mankind together. Now, that is why we see, in Bahai Scriptures, and Writings, Krishna or Buddha.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

So God is a messenger from Himself. That seems contradictory, lol. I can hear it now at the king's door ... "Your Honour, I have a message for you."
"Who is it from?"
"It is from me."

Mirror showing Image of the Sun.

 

[Vinayaka]

Mirror showing Image of the Sun.

I have no idea whatsoever what that means. Are you saying that if you look into a mirror at the sun, it is the same as going blind from looking at the sun? Some of us on here are non-Baha'i' and not familiar with the common Baha'i' analogies, even when we hear them many times over.

But back to the topic. If the king wants to send a message to a neighbouring king, how could he go over there, and say, "I have a message from the king?" That just makes no sense.

Then again, perhaps you're forgetting that Krishna is God to Vaishnavites. Other sects of Hinduism and all other rational people view Krishna as that ... God to Vaishnavites. The only folks on the planet that think otherwise are the 5 million or so Baha'i'. The other 6 billion + people either think He's God, or God to certain other people. Thank you, but I think I'll go with the majority view. But you're free to go with the contradictory view.

 

[Vinayaka]

I would think that majority of People who lived 350 years, or 2000 years ago in Israel were not aware in Religions of other countries, such as India. Thus, it did not make sense if Jesus had spoke to them about Krishna.

Baha'u'llah wasn't familiar either. His grandson added some stuff, because of what you're saying. Still, today, the Baha'i' have an extremely simplistic view of Hinduism, focusing on one small sect and concept (and misinterpreting that even) and ignoring all the rest of the stuff. It;s like me saying I understand Australia, because I landed in Sydney Airport in transit to Bali.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Baha'u'llah wasn't familiar either. His grandson added some stuff, because of what you're saying. Still, today, the Baha'i' have an extremely simplistic view of Hinduism, focusing on one small sect and concept (and misinterpreting that even) and ignoring all the rest of the stuff. It;s like me saying I understand Australia, because I landed in Sydney Airport in transit to Bali.

For Bahais, Hinduism is an old Religion and is not for this Age. We only recognize its divine origin. Also, we do not separate Abdulbaha, from revelation of Bahaullah. Abdulbaha was created by Bahaullah.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Baha'u'llah wasn't familiar either. His grandson added some stuff, because of what you're saying. Still, today, the Baha'i' have an extremely simplistic view of Hinduism, focusing on one small sect and concept (and misinterpreting that even) and ignoring all the rest of the stuff. It;s like me saying I understand Australia, because I landed in Sydney Airport in transit to Bali.

This whole bahu'bali thing is dynamically changing to counter and try to find fault lines , "Need creation" . They study fault lines even as we speak..and they amend..
i haven't even bothered to read bahu ' bali's stuff i understood in one line when he tried to bend a vague verse as if re-incarnation is a real thing with that one verse saying you are the messengers of joy.

You try to craft reincarnation in abrahamic and then market to non musllims... if they teach this stuff to muslims they know what's gonna happen.so they again go to soft target , easy money..to make new shiny temples and to bring mughals back in india.All they want from earth "the ant hole" is to capture and make paper printed in green..this has nothing to do with spirituality, when you adopt reincarnation and deny hinduism ..and twist and comment on krishna ..just coz we are passives you gonna shyt on our face.
Why is there no bahu bali temple in pakistan? PAKISTAN is a SECULAR country,, so why not?
shiva is the firewall ..for all lunar ites..no other diety can control lunar'ite planets apart from shiva ..coz only he knows their language..that's why shiva is daddy of the things no other diety can handle. vaishnav /christianity is love , shiva is fearless.

on mecca they have opposite of shiva lingum , the black stone they kiss...so who's the daddy?

 

[RoaringSilence]

im going now from this thread , ive said what i had to say , no need to hold back..ive lost all my peace of mind..in just one day..goodbye..

 

[Vinayaka]

For Bahais, Hinduism is an old Religion and is not for this Age. We only recognize its divine origin. Also, we do not separate Abdulbaha, from revelation of Bahaullah. Abdulbaha was created by Bahaullah.

Yes I know. OTOH, I tolerate Baha'i' exactly as it is and don't try to change it. I practice Hinduism daily, as do about a billion people. We all think it is totally relevant to this age, as it has changed with the times. It's at least 5000 years old, and getting stronger as we speak. Other religions (Greeks, Romans, many smaller ones) have long since come and gone (well, yes there are some revival attempts, but not with substantial numbers) So maybe 100 different smaller faiths have lasted a couple of hundred years. Perhaps that will be the Baha'i' fate as well. Who knows?

 

[RoaringSilence]

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes I know. OTOH, I tolerate Baha'i' exactly as it is and don't try to change it. I practice Hinduism daily, as do about a billion people. We all think it is totally relevant to this age, as it has changed with the times. It's at least 5000 years old, and getting stronger as we speak. Other religions (Greeks, Romans, many smaller ones) have long since come and gone (well, yes there are some revival attempts, but not with substantial numbers) So maybe 100 different smaller faiths have lasted a couple of hundred years. Perhaps that will be the Baha'i' fate as well. Who knows?

Bahaullah had written that All religions of the world, except for a few, are from God:

"There can be no doubt whatever that the peoples of the world, of whatever race or religion, derive their inspiration from one heavenly Source, and are the subjects of one God. .... All of them, except a few which are the outcome of human perversity, were ordained of God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose."

Abdulbaha farther elaborated the Words of Bahaullah in more details and had said:

"Blessed souls—whether Moses, Jesus, Zoroaster, Krishna, Buddha, Confucius or Muḥammad—were the cause of the illumination of the world of humanity. How can we deny such irrefutable proof? How can we be blind to such light? How can we dispute the validity of Christ? This is injustice. This is a denial of reality. Man must be just. We must set aside bias and prejudice. We must abandon the imitations of ancestors and forefathers. We ourselves must investigate reality and be fair in judgment."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Really? I thought you were an atheist. Now I'm curious about your views.

I don't claim atheist because when it comes to god and such, I don't have a blanket denial as I do a blanket "go ask someone wiling to lie about it." Given the natural structure of how things are made of smaller upon smaller parts which build upon larger and larger parts (such as atoms-cells-tissues-organsisms-ecosystems-planets-solar systems-galaxies-why not universes?), and I have had these spiritual experiences (which I find profound as having Asperger's I do not even experience empathy in the way non-Aspies do). But I have to put things like my keys back in the same spot every time or I'll loose them, I'm prone to having misinterpretations of stimuli, and I'm only human. The honest thing to do, IMO, is just admit I don't know. Could be, might not be. I have more firm ground to stand on talking about psychology, various philosophers, and different writing style guides, but I'm pretty much equally qualified to talk about god and such as I am agriculture - probably still not even quite accurate as I know you plant seeds and water and fertilize them and the seeds grow to plants. But god? I can't even tell you the details of all this digital waves and stuff that we do know for sure that are surrounding us.

But, anyway, that is the Baha'i provision to attempt to eradicate fairy tales.

I strongly believe that in regards to god and such, if humans have thought of it then it is wrong. Science allows us to demonstrate and reveal things external to us, with a set of goals and measurements that exists above us. It's not a "this is what I believe and what my feelings tell me and what I think I've experienced (after all the religious of all religions claim to experience their god), but rather something that has to observed by others, and these observations are guided using mathematics, something we can objectively demonstrate is true.