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Neat Video Explaining the Evidence of Our Relationship To the Other Great Apes
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It is only a waste of time if you are not willing to cut and paste evidence.
You should know by now I have quit reading evo links. It would have only taken you a few minuets to cut and past e the evidence they offered. I really wonder why no one has done that. Well one did post some pictures. If he thinks pictures are scientific evidence, no wonder he accepts evolution as a proven fact.,
I think that if you were able to convincingly falsify evolutionary theory, there's be no other alternative but to assume creation by a deceptive intelligent designer with the power to make earth and the life on it appear as if it evolved. That would entail having the power to insert various fossils into the earth to from a geological column of just the nature that evolution predicts and required, as well as creating nested hierarchies anatomically, biochemically, genetically, etc.. What else would be possible at that point given over 150 years of evidence consistent with naturalisitic evolution and one piece that falsified the theory unifying all of the rest? Somebody or somebodies staged a hoax on a planetary scale, and made a mistake that we found.
Unfortunately, that still wouldn't establish the existence of a supernatural deity to fill the role of creator. A sufficiently advanced alien race that itself formed from naturalistic processes would be a possible explanation for that.
I think the plain fact is that there is no way to demonstrate the existence of a god, which I define as any conscious, potent, volitional agent capable of creating a universe like ours. People sometime cite rearranging the stars in the sky to spell out "I am your God" as an example of potential proof of God, but that could also be explained by invoking a highly advanced civilization.
SkepticThinker
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It has been done. We've all figured out by now that it's a waste of time.
Cutting and pasting whole articles is against site rules. Cutting and pasting small sections would prompt questions which would eventually lead to pasting the entire article. It's both more efficient and more informative and less space wasting to link you to an article, and that's how citation is done anyway.
If you're not interested in hearing what evolutionary biologists have to say, dispense with the pretext and just say so.
Evolution theory doesn't go against what Islam teaches. However I would say, Muslims do not accept all life started from a self replicating single cell organism. Rather we believe God created Millions of species that inhabited the Earth, each one uniquely programmed to adapt to life on Earth. Sure there is micro evolution, as observed by Darwin in his study of finches and their beaks. But no evidence one distinct life form slowly mutating to a completely different species.
Show me the evidence for '150 years of evidence consistent with naturalistic evolution'. Let me see what exactly that entails. It's not a study on mutating viruses is it?
Excellent and one would have to look at the evidence for Aliens being responsible. We can perhaps look at this at a later point should we be able to move forward in any meaningful way.
My readings show your firewall is at 9.9 on the scale. Ultimately you will have conclusive proof, but sadly you won't be coming back to tell us about it. Not unless you had a NDE giving you limited insight and even then you'd likely explain it away as a chemical reaction in your brain. Dreaming on steroids as it were.
Creation and Intelligent Design are synonymous. The Genesis creation myth is the story of an intelligent designer. The authors of Pandas were caught in a deception: cdesign proponentists appeared in an early draft that was written before Edwards v Aguillard declared creationism in the public schools a violation of the Establishment Clause. It was clear that those authors considered creationists and design proponents synonymous when they substituted one term for the other in multiple sentences without changing any other words.
That's not an argument I've ever seen made.
Humans are primates because they have the characteristic primates have that non-primate mammals lack. Primates are characterized by having more forward facing eyes with stereoscopic vision in bony sockets, highly flexible limbs and fingers with five moveable digits per hand, flat nails on their fingers and toes rather than claws or hooves, opposable thumbs, a diminished sense of smell, as well as collar bones and enlarged cerebral cortices.
Incidentally, humans are apes - great apes, to be more precise.
Compared to monkeys, which are also primates, apes are larger, have a broader rib cage, are more muscular, have bigger brains with more convoluted cortices, have color vision, lack cheek pouches, have a fused frontal bone, have more narrow noses with downward pointing nostrils, have molars with five cusps rather than four, a different shoulder anatomy adapted for swinging through the trees - or brachiating - rather than crawling above their branches.
Their shoulders and wrists are more flexible than those of monkeys, they have longer and stronger upper limbs with elbows that can straighten but relatively shorter lower limbs, no tail, an appendix - monkeys lack these – and on the ground, except for man, they are knuckle walking quadrupeds. Apes are more dependent on learned behavior as opposed to instinct than monkeys or any other lower taxon.
All life is a transitional form, including you and me, and there are enough fossils to have achieved our present level of understanding, with more expected in the future.
Incorrect again. The great apes alone comprise four genera:
- Pongo - the orangutans (4 Bornean species and 1 Sumatran)
- Gorilla – the gorillas (2 Western species and 2 Eastern)
- Pan - the chimps (1 species with 4 subspecies) and bonobos (1 species)
- Homo - man
That ended up being the change that catalyzed a series of other changes that define humanity. Once the North and South American continents came together to form what is now called the Isthmus of Panama, ocean currents flowing from the Pacific to the Atlantic were redirected, and the Gulf Stream was formed in the Atlantic, The Gulf Stream is a swift warm current ranging from the Gulf of Mexico around the tip of Florida, up the eastern North American coast to Newfoundland, and across the Atlantic to the Old World. These oceanic changes had global atmospheric consequences as well. Western Europe became warmer, and parts of Africa that had been jungle (rain forest) slowly became the relatively treeless savannas we see there today.
Some species that were highly specialized for life in the trees went extinct, but some that were able to adapt survived, including our ape ancestors. The transition was rapid in geologic terms, but not in the terms of lifetimes of successive generations of our forebears. Continents just don’t move that fast. Exposing apes to increasingly more treeless environments powered the transition to humanity.
Over uncounted generations, ape-men came down from the trees, stood up, grew taller, became more gracile, grew bigger brains, developed more articulate hands, lost most of their body hair, learned to hunt and eat meat, tamed fire, made tools, acquired language, migrated across continents, formed complex societies and eventually developed complex cultures capable of sailing, agriculture, and domesticating animals. These are many of the features that distinguish man from his arboreal, brachiating cousins and ancestors.
But it all began with bipedalism, which freed up the prehensile hands formerly used to swing through trees for other purposes, including tool making. This probably powered an increase in brain size. Our ancestors had to be arboreal for us to have the hands that we do, but once on the ground, they were repurposed to a unique use.
We could have similar discussions about the benefit of relative hairlessness and acquiring an omnivorous diet.
Bob the Unbeliever
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leibowde84
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You are way off when it comes to when Homo Sapiens first appeared. Homo Sapiens first appeared approx. 200,000 years ago in Africa. Otoh, 7,000 years ago, human beings were busy with late neolithic civilizations, inventing the wheel and the spreading of proto-writing. Not to mention, homo sapiens evolved from earlier humans. They didn't just appear, and there is absolutely no evidence of any adam and eve being the first homo sapiens.
I am not here to pander to you because you can't be bothered educating yourself. You chose to ignore data, don't expect others to learn it for you.
Why no one has done it? See above. I'm pretty sure other people feel the same as me about your deliberate ignorance
You are half ight.
It is not necessary to post a whole article, Just one example of the evidence thy used, will be sufficient. That way I will know specifically what they are referring to and would be better able to evaluate it.
You evos not being willing to cut and paste evidence from a link is even more telling.
You would if you could but you CAN'T.
Father Heathen
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So you admit that you cannot be educated or reasoned with, and have no interest in any sort of evidence or data. This is called willful ignorance and intellectual dishonesty. Thus you're not worth taking seriously, and if your beliefs require denial to sustain them, then neither are they.
Father Heathen
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We've done it a thousand times before. It's like trying to spoon-feed a stubborn brat. Creationists demand evidence or insist that there is none, and when you present it, they immediately reject it without even examining it. They refuse to be honest and objective when it comes to anything they feel might threaten their faith. It's pitiful.
Yes you are right in part. As the exchange of information passed back and forth on this thread, I read the links and found that the Scientists are disputing whether these earlier 'Homo Sapiens' can be classed as such, or whether a better term for these ancient skeletons should be Homo sapiens idaltu. At the end of the day, we simply don't know.
All I can tell you is, no dates are given in the Qur'an, and we know other creation existed on the Earth before us. The current 7 Billion Humans on Earth can likely trace our collective DNA back to a single group of humans going back 50/60,000 years.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...-trace-back-single-migration-more-50000-years
Okay, so, for example, Endogenous Retroviruses and Human Evolution This article studies and explains various evolutionary discoveries in virology, including viruses implanting genes later used for coding, thereby adding new genetic material and traits, which don't come from normal mutations. It also talks about retroviral markers which can establish relationships between genomes, including genetic lineages.
How does this look to you?
I can and the deliberately ignorant refusal to even consider the multiple evidences says so much about you.
I ask that you just be honest for once in your life about you rejection of evidence because it contradicts you faith.
shawn001
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At least you posted and might have read some actual science on it all.
You didn't totally understand that article, it is about Migration out of Africa, but in Africa, it goes back 6 million years or more.
Human Evolution by The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins
"Evidence of Evolution
Scientists have discovered a wealth of evidence concerning human evolution, and this evidence comes in many forms. Thousands of human fossils enable researchers and students to study the changes that occurred in brain and body size, locomotion, diet, and other aspects regarding the way of life of early human species over the past 6 million years. Millions of stone tools, figurines and paintings, footprints, and other traces of human behavior in the prehistoric record tell about where and how early humans lived and when certain technological innovations were invented. Study of human genetics show how closely related we are to other primates – in fact, how connected we are with all other organisms – and can indicate the prehistoric migrations of our species, Homo sapiens, all over the world. Advances in the dating of fossils and artifacts help determine the age of those remains, which contributes to the big picture of when different milestones in becoming human evolved."
Human Evolution Evidence | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program
National Academy of Sciences.
"Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact?
It is both. But that answer requires looking more deeply at the meanings of the words "theory" and "fact."
In everyday usage, "theory" often refers to a hunch or a speculation. When people say, "I have a theory about why that happened," they are often drawing a conclusion based on fragmentary or inconclusive evidence.
The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.
Evolution Resources from the National Academies
You're trying to argue against billions of facts. It's already a done deal. Every atom in your body was created billions of years ago in supernova stars explosions that created the elements in your body, like carbon, iron, everything, you're made of stardust. That is a fact and it's called nucleosynthesis.
We know for a fact that the entire universe has and is evolving. Your evolving right now along with every human and animal on the planet.
"no dates are given in the Qur'an"
Of course not, nor are there DNA studies, fossils, chemistry, plate tectonics, climate change, atomic theory, cell theory, or microscopes.
The air your breathing evolved from cyanobacteria some 3.2 billion years ago that evolved photosynthesis, otherwise, you would be breathing " hydrogen sulfide, methane, and ten to 200 times as much carbon dioxide as today's atmosphere."
The Earliest Atmosphere
Our sun is evolving and is about 5 millions years old and has gone through have its life span and will go to about another 5 billion years. It will turn into a red giant and then a white dwarf, the Earth will be toast. There is more to evolution in the big picture than biological evolution. biological evolution was settled back in the late 1800's and not just by Darwin. It's 2017 and you're still denying it?
Humans are still evolving—and we can watch it happen
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/05/humans-are-still-evolving-and-we-can-watch-it-happen
5 Signs Humans Are Still Evolving
5 Signs Humans Are Still Evolving
Even your reasoning and beliefs to deny evolution evolved.
Name anything in nature that hasn't evolved?
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shawn001
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All people on Earth now who have blue eyes.
Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor
"New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. Scientists have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6,000-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye color of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Professor Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine. "But a genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a "switch," which literally "turned off" the ability to produce brown eyes." The OCA2 gene codes for the so-called P protein, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives colour to our hair, eyes and skin. The "switch," which is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 does not, however, turn off the gene entirely, but rather limits its action to reducing the production of melanin in the iris -- effectively "diluting" brown eyes to blue. The switch's effect on OCA2 is very specific therefore. If the OCA2 gene had been completely destroyed or turned off, human beings would be without melanin in their hair, eyes or skin colour -- a condition known as albinism."
Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor
Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor
"New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. Scientists have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6,000-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye color of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.
"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Professor Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine. "But a genetic mutation affecting the OCA2 gene in our chromosomes resulted in the creation of a "switch," which literally "turned off" the ability to produce brown eyes." The OCA2 gene codes for the so-called P protein, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives colour to our hair, eyes and skin. The "switch," which is located in the gene adjacent to OCA2 does not, however, turn off the gene entirely, but rather limits its action to reducing the production of melanin in the iris -- effectively "diluting" brown eyes to blue. The switch's effect on OCA2 is very specific therefore. If the OCA2 gene had been completely destroyed or turned off, human beings would be without melanin in their hair, eyes or skin colour -- a condition known as albinism."
Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor