How are these Great Beings explained?

[loverofhumanity]

But you do. Everything that is true Hinduism is found in the Baha'i teachings. What Hindus think is true is not the truth. So, it doesn't matter how a Hindu lives it. It is wrong. Right?

I believe the essence of all religions is found in each religion. The outward laws and Teachings may differ from age to age but they all basically pray, mediate, and serve humanity as well have Holy scriptures which focus on achieving a true understanding of reality.

A large percentage of what is found in Hinduism is also in our religion just using different names and terminologies. Hindus also try and live the truth as a Hindu serves humanity. Hinduism has been around much longer than the Bahá'í Faith so Hindus are much better at serving humanity than us Baha'is because we are just an infant Faith and haven't the resources human or otherwise to do what Hindus do.

Hinduism is a true religion It teaches goodness and to serve all humanity. That is true

 

[loverofhumanity]

So do you know what the true meaning was? And, like I've asked several times, do any of the other religions, as practiced and believe today, teach and have the truth?

We believe the 'true Dhamma' originally taught the oneness of God and that has decayed as the Buddha said it would and another Dhamma, the current one, has replaced it, which claims there is no God, is, according to Buddha's Words the counterfeit Dhamma. His Words not mine.

According to Baha'u'llah all the religions contain truth But over time became saturated by man made ideas.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That does not make sense to me. His attributes are a part of his essence just as my expressions are a part of my being human. How can you separate the two? What does essence mean without the attributes you use to describe it?

How can you give it attributes if you don't know what it is?

We know some things about God's nature but not what He's made of or how He functions or things like that. We only know that He exists and has certain attributes but beyond that no one knows anything more about God.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unfortunately, Christians tell me that all the bad stuff happens, and then Jesus returns and puts an end to it.

I like Christians a lot. I think they're wonderful people. But I don't like this 'infected' business. It looks too much like the 'infidel' attitude. No doubt their leaders have told them not to mix with us heathen unless we are willing to convert which disgusts me because it is against everything Christ taught.

 

[loverofhumanity]

So reincarnation is "man's thoughts" not God's? Also, with the NT, there was a scene where Moses and Elijah appears. What is the Baha'i explanation of this?

Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Page 162

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We know some things about God's nature but not what He's made of or how He functions or things like that. We only know that He exists and has certain attributes but beyond that no one knows anything more about God.

Now, I know the different attributes you assign to god. You can assign those attributes to just about anything and anyone. However, everyone is unique and their own person.

So, since you do not know the nature of god, how would I know the nature of god?

Given god is defined so many ways either by his or her nature and/or by expression or person, what more can an atheist learn about god other than attributes that can be applied to anything and anyone?

Also, how do you reject something you're not familiar with to begin with?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We believe the 'true Dhamma' originally taught the oneness of God and that has decayed as the Buddha said it would and another Dhamma, the current one, has replaced it, which claims there is no God, is, according to Buddha's Words the counterfeit Dhamma. His Words not mine.

According to Baha'u'llah all the religions contain truth But over time became saturated by man made ideas.

Do you know what the Dhamma is from a Buddhist perspective?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Now, I know the different attributes you assign to god. You can assign those attributes to just about anything and anyone. However, everyone is unique and their own person.

So, since you do not know the nature of god, how would I know the nature of god?

Given god is defined so many ways either by his or her nature and/or by expression or person, what more can an atheist learn about god other than attributes that can be applied to anything and anyone?

Also, how do you reject something you're not familiar with to begin with?

You wouldn't know the nature or essence of God as I don't either.

Baha'u'llah said we have been endowed with the ability to know God through His Manifestations but not directly.

So we can know God's attributes, God's Will and some of God's Knowledge and Wisdom through God's Manifestations Who are as the Rays of the Sun bringing the light of spiritual knowledge to our souls and minds.

We cannot go directly to the sun and get light from it by traveling to it as we would be unable to bear its intensity so the only way for us to get this heat and light is via the rays of the sun.

The Manifestations are pre existent and created especially to be able to absorb direct Revelation from God. They are not entirely earthly Beings although in the form of a human body.

So through these Manifestations we receive knowledge of God's Will for us in this age, His Guidance for us and He shares some of His Infallible Knowledge with us.

Baha'u'llah said that God just commands 'Be' and 'it is'. So the knowledge passed onto us from God through His Manifestation is pure truth, factual, infallible knowledge.

So, with certainty we can distinguish truth from falsehood if we refer a matter to Baha'u'llah. The Manifestation possesses perfect knowledge that embraces the universe. He knows true Christianity or Buddhism or Hinduism from what is being taught when He appears.

He speaks only as bidden by God. His Words are only God's Words. This is our belief in the Manifestations, that without them humanity would never have known a God ever existed.

Even those religions that say they don't accept Manifestations could never have learnt of God's existence if no Manifestation had come to the earth and spoke of the Ultimate Supreme Being.

By rejecting the Manifestations one is rejecting God for They are God's Representatives and His Will and Knowledge is revealed through Them.

So one can reject God by rejecting any of the Manifestations while true belief is to accept all the Manifestations.

Today those who accept one Manifestation and reject the others also reject God for He sent Them all.

To accept and truly believe in God is to accept all His Manifestations unconditionally. To turn away from them is to turn away from God.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You wouldn't know the nature or essence of God as I don't either.

Baha'u'llah said we have been endowed with the ability to know God through His Manifestations but not directly.

So we can know God's attributes, God's Will and some of God's Knowledge and Wisdom through God's Manifestations Who are as the Rays of the Sun bringing the light of spiritual knowledge to our souls and minds.

We cannot go directly to the sun and get light from it by traveling to it as we would be unable to bear its intensity so the only way for us to get this heat and light is via the rays of the sun.

The Manifestations are pre existent and created especially to be able to absorb direct Revelation from God. They are not entirely earthly Beings although in the form of a human body.

So through these Manifestations we receive knowledge of God's Will for us in this age, His Guidance for us and He shares some of His Infallible Knowledge with us.

Baha'u'llah said that God just commands 'Be' and 'it is'. So the knowledge passed onto us from God through His Manifestation is pure truth, factual, infallible knowledge.

So, with certainty we can distinguish truth from falsehood if we refer a matter to Baha'u'llah. The Manifestation possesses perfect knowledge that embraces the universe. He knows true Christianity or Buddhism or Hinduism from what is being taught when He appears.

He speaks only as bidden by God. His Words are only God's Words. This is our belief in the Manifestations, that without them humanity would never have known a God ever existed.

Even those religions that say they don't accept Manifestations could never have learnt of God's existence if no Manifestation had come to the earth and spoke of the Ultimate Supreme Being.

By rejecting the Manifestations one is rejecting God for They are God's Representatives and His Will and Knowledge is revealed through Them.

So one can reject God by rejecting any of the Manifestations while true belief is to accept all the Manifestations.

Today those who accept one Manifestation and reject the others also reject God for He sent Them all.

To accept and truly believe in God is to accept all His Manifestations unconditionally. To turn away from them is to turn away from God.

Can you find a common foundation with the majority who reject the god of abraham and/or his manifestations?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Can you find a common foundation with the majority who reject the god of abraham and/or his manifestations?

We have our humanity in common.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We have our humanity in common.

Again, other than attributes of humanity such as love which is different for everyone, what about humanity makes us have a common foundation?

Make it more specific. We are both humans. We both can give love. My foundation of love is different than yours so it is not the same. Since we do not give the same love (regardless the name),

what foundation do we have in common other than we are human beings?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Again, other than attributes of humanity such as love which is different for everyone, what about humanity makes us have a common foundation?

Make it more specific. We are both humans. We both can give love. My foundation of love is different than yours so it is not the same. Since we do not give the same love (regardless the name),

what foundation do we have in common other than we are human beings?

We are all human. Can't be any more specific than that.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Do you know what the Dhamma is from a Buddhist perspective?

It's the Teachings of the Buddha.

For practicing Buddhists, references to "dharma" (dhamma in Pali) particularly as "the Dharma", generally means the teachings of the Buddha,

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We are all human. Can't be any more specific than that.

What does that mean spiritually? I know we have ten fingers (in a general sense), ten toes, a nose, and a mouth.

What defines us as humans more than our body parts? (Remember, love is an expression. The foundation is different)

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's the Teachings of the Buddha.

For practicing Buddhists, references to "dharma" (dhamma in Pali) particularly as "the Dharma", generally means the teachings of the Buddha,

That's an outsider's perspective. The Dhamma explains what defines itself. The written Dhamma means nothing.

Dhamma is the practices of The Buddha "Being owners of their actions, heirs of their actions; they originate from their actions, are bond to their actions, have their actions as their refuge. It is action that distinguishes beings as inferior and superior" ~MN Culakammavbhanga Sutta III 202-6

You don't depend on the written Dhamma as in the bible, quran, and Bahaullah text. It is not sacred.

You say the Dhamma will decay. Because the Dhamma is a practice, it will not decay. I gave you the verse of many for that. These I highlighted in a physical book from stories and analogies of the Pali text.

What you are saying is from a Bahai perspective. It isn't a Buddhist perspective.

The sutras are based on the suttas. So when I say sutras it's never isolated.

 

[loverofhumanity]

What does that mean spiritually? I know we have ten fingers (in a general sense), ten toes, a nose, and a mouth.

What defines us as humans more than our body parts? (Remember, love is an expression. The foundation is different)

The term 'we are all human' is referring to our human nature not our physical body, which I'm sure you already know, and it is a more than sufficient answer.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That's an outsider's perspective. The Dhamma explains what defines itself. The written Dhamma means nothing.

Dhamma is the practices of The Buddha "Being owners of their actions, heirs of their actions; they originate from their actions, are bond to their actions, have their actions as their refuge. It is action that distinguishes beings as inferior and superior" ~MN Culakammavbhanga Sutta III 202-6

You don't depend on the written Dhamma as in the bible, quran, and Bahaullah text. It is not sacred.

You say the Dhamma will decay. Because the Dhamma is a practice, it will not decay. I gave you the verse of many for that. These I highlighted in a physical book from stories and analogies of the Pali text.

What you are saying is from a Bahai perspective. It isn't a Buddhist perspective.

The sutras are based on the suttas. So when I say sutras it's never isolated.

That is your interpretation from a pagan perspective. The Buddhist practices were originally based on the Teachings of Buddha. Buddha said a His Dhamma would decay so if He said it then He was the Enlightened One and knew.

By saying things Buddha said don't matter that's really not believing in Buddha at all which you don't but we believe in Buddha.

I lived in a Buddhist village for 5 years and amongst the Buddhists and became acquainted with what they believe and one of their beliefs I found prevalent amongst the Burmese was the decay of the the religion as well as a new Buddha to appear.

in my wife's family her brother in law was a Buddhist all his life who, when He heard Buddha had returned, investigated it and accepted Baha'u'llah wholeheartedly and no matter how much his Buddhist relatives tell him he's wrong he tells them that he sees in Baha'u'llah the return of Buddha.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What is the Baha'i Scripture that says what "inspired people" said is to be taking symbolically? I suppose that means every writer, whether we know who they are or not, was "inspired" by God to write what they did in a symbolic language? So the gospel, although seem like they are historical narrative, they are not?

For example Rumi. See his view on resurrection. Google Rumi and four birds

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The term 'we are all human' is referring to our human nature not our physical body, which I'm sure you already know, and it is a more than sufficient answer.

I honestly dont know. A soul? Personality? What is our human nature?

Im not asking questions to challenge you. If its something innate and we all share, we should be aware of it. If not, that doesnt mean we are blind. Just it isnt in our reality. We cant be blind when our world has no vision. The Buddha says what we experience comes from our mind. Its wisdom and intellect. Experience and practice.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is your interpretation from a pagan perspective. The Buddhist practices were originally based on the Teachings of Buddha. Buddha said a His Dhamma would decay so if He said it then He was the Enlightened One and knew.

By saying things Buddha said don't matter that's really not believing in Buddha at all which you don't but we believe in Buddha.

I lived in a Buddhist village for 5 years and amongst the Buddhists and became acquainted with what they believe and one of their beliefs I found prevalent amongst the Burmese was the decay of the the religion as well as a new Buddha to appear.

in my wife's family her brother in law was a Buddhist all his life who, when He heard Buddha had returned, investigated it and accepted Baha'u'llah wholeheartedly and no matter how much his Buddhist relatives tell him he's wrong he tells them that he sees in Baha'u'llah the return of Buddha.

No. I practiced Buddhism for two years. I practiced at a temple for another two. I practiced and was initiated as a Buddhist for four years. The sutras and suttas I posted was not something I got online. I have a western mind. I study and the books become part of my practice. So, the suttas I gave were from what I took notes on etc. Nothing fake.

Two, Pagans believe in gods; pagan just means someone who is not christian, muslim, or jewish. I am not a theist so I am not a Pagan. Just abrahamic religions see me as if being a Pagan means I worship false gods.

I believe in The Buddhas teachings one hundred percent. The Buddha does not teach about god. The cheriots verse came from a sutta. Sutras are based on suttas. Or Sanskrit translation is based on the Pali which, the Pali is the foundation of buddhist teachings.

If you actually interacted with buddhists not bahai buddhist you would see they do not consider their teachings outdated and in need of change. Thats an insult to even think that. The fact, and probably more so in other cou ntries such as Japan most definitely is that the Dhamma (Im not ignorant. I know the difference) has not changed.

I mean, I asked one monk if he knew about christianity and god and he had no clue of what I meant. People on RF who are culturally Buddhist (which WE are not; that makez a difference) some have never even heard of christianity in person. Other buddhist i practice with are not americans and we chant all the time.

So, whst you are saying is an insult.

Again.

And again. I go off of experiences. I KNOW these things because I practiced them. Its not sacred "knowledge" but sacred practice. In the Lotus, The Buddha wanted bodhsattvas to read, write, and recite the Dharma so that the Practice and oral Dharma would be preserved. The Lotus is a recap of the Dhamma (no R).