Evidence for an ancient earth

[BilliardsBall]

So.

Your monster-god's MASSIVE EGO is SO WEAK, that it issues a DEATH PENALTY for ... mere words?

Wow...!

I mean... just... wow!

That means? *I* a lowly HUMAN have SUPERIOR MORALITY to your god's!

I do not think that mere words are EVER worthy of DEATH!

That's pretty sad... seriously!

Sometimes He does. Jesus said you can call Him any name, but not reject His call to salvation when it comes.

I think the men who mocked the prophet AFTER seeing him do miracles should have died, sure. You and I can go to Hell because of our words like "I don't trust Jesus for salvation, ever!" so why can't men die for mocking God's man? Be consistent.

Biblically, God never kills people for their words, until after they've "seen and done". "The poor guy" who picked up sticks on the Sabbath was taken out of Egypt through signs and wonders, and picked up sticks within visual sight of the pillar of fire beside the camp that blazed!

 

[ChristineM]

Faith IS evidence.

Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the EVIDENCE of something hoped for but not yet seen. You can have inductive faith, deductive faith. I trust God because He has been continually faithful and trustworthy.

Evidence : the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.


There are no facts or valid information to justify faith. Certainly I've heard it spoken about as evident but have never seen any evidence, when queried to provide such evidence the claimant remains strangely quite or goes into circular argument mode

 

[BilliardsBall]

You can lie about them however you like. It does not change the FACT that unless one or both are PARABLES?

THEY CONTRADICT EACH OTHER IN FATALLY FLAWED WAYS.

Ask the Jews-- it's their book, after all. They will be happy to explain what they actually meant by it.

And I don't care how many "christian scholars" you bring-- it's not their book-- they did not write it.

Heck-- I bet there are Jews here in this very forum! And if you ask nicely? I bet they'd give you their considerable opinion on the subject!

It is their book! I'll take the opinion of a layman' Jewish person, over the most "overqualified" christian, with regards to the Jewish writings, every time.

Bob, one more time. I'm a JEWISH CHRISTIAN, a MESSIANIC JEW.

Stop telling me "what we Jews and Christians believe" because you clearly don't know.

A bunch of Jews wrote the NT, and those Jews believed the OT was God's Word. Modern Jewry, if they disbelieve the OT is the Word of God, will likewise tell you the NT isn't God's Word, too, which is eminently logical.

Do you recall Jesus saying if the people believed what Moses wrote they would trust Him, too?

 

[BilliardsBall]

You cannot be both, silly! The two are mutually contradictory! The heretic Paul, for one thing, completely twisted the Jewish Heritage into something .... not-Jewish.

Wow, I've never heard that before, what with me being a witnessing MESSIANIC JEW like Paul, and all.

But please don't tell me your an atheist mocking Christianity on forums because Paul made the NT not Jewish enough! That's nonsense!

 

[BilliardsBall]

LOL! You said "facts" and "bible" in the same sentence-- as if the two have any sort of meaningful relationship.... !

That's the funniest thing I've seen all week! Thanks! My eyes are blurry from laughing so hard.

The Bible contains thousands of facts, verified by archaeology, history, etc.

The Bible is less than 1% supernatural in the text. 99% is poetry, prophecy, history.

I come to you with facts. You return invective and accusations. Do you have ANY facts disproving God's existence, Jesus's atoning death, etc.?

 

[ChristineM]

One last time--deny that some non-Creationist scientists believe we are near the center and that all motion observed--as well as eliminating some pesky scientific anomalies--is described by being near the "center".

How many times? There is no centre to the universe, or more precisely, everywhere I'd the centre. I have heard of no scientist believes in a centre to the universe for the past 70 or more years, probably longer

 

[ChristineM]

Stop. Stop saying "read" things I read. Stop telling me I'm stupid. Stop.

Be respectful. I'm respectful of you despite your stubborn nature, denying that some reputable, non-Christian scientists agree with me and disagree with your layperson's regurgitation of the party line.

I do not say you are stupid, if i thought you were stupid there would be no point in advising you to read educational material

Please provide a couple of names of these non Christian scientists who agree with you... Because the perimeter institute is the format establishment for the study of cosmology, a gathering place for the greatest minds on the subject.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Documents with lettering/alphabets/words. You knew what I meant. Now answer the question.

1) You do not get to re-define words to suit your fancy.

2) What was the question again? It's been days-- and I have no idea what you were going on about...

 

[ChristineM]

There were 8 people on Noah's craft!

Ahh the craft that is impossible to build with today's technology never mind bronze age tools

The craft that housed at least 17.4 million animals, in all probability reading the bible (note the respect i pay you) more like 50 million. As well as all their food for a year with only 8 people to muck out.

The craft that floated for a year on around 80,000 times more water than has ever existed on this planet

You mean that craft?

When DNA contradicts the story, completely blows it out of the water, and DNA does not lie, ask any of the myriad convicted felons serving time because of DNA evidence

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

How does the Bible indicate two years?

Seriously? You are going to go with that dodge? Do I need to post a direct quote of your bible here?

Go back and read it-- the total story from beginning to build the ark, to it's final resting place is a couple of years at best.

If you are going to ignore your own book every time it suits you? You have zip to argue with!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

When did Noah have incest?

His children took wives, not sisters.

Oh good grief-- do you not read your own bible story? Noah had sex with his daughters! (or daughters-in-law-- same thing)

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

God didn't kill all the kittens, either. There had to have been some on Noah's boat.

Nope. ALL kittens were DEAD-- the bible is QUITE CLEAR: ONLY two of the unclean animals-- of which cats are by definition.

NO KITTENS. Only a mamma cat and a daddy cat-- NO KITTENS.

NO PUPPIES, EITHER.

Your god really hated baby animals, I guess... !!!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

God didn't kill all the kittens, either. There had to have been some on Noah's boat.

Bob, you don't read the Bible carefully, but you want me to trust your physics and geology advanced knowledge also?

Seriously? You? You clearly don't read your own ugly bible's story! Wow... just... wow....!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Stop talking to me like I have an eighth-grade education. Finishing my third college degree currently. You?

Then stop writing posts that seem to say you failed 9th grade....!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

In the beginning God created the Heavens and Earth.

Before there was this universe and linear spacetime--when our beginning incepted with time and light - God.

Prove it. Show your work. Hint: Your bible IS NOT PROOF-- IT IS YOUR CLAIM.

I will wait-- but I won't hold my breath (don't want to pass out).

 

[ChristineM]

God didn't kill all the kittens, either. There had to have been some on Noah's boat.

Bob, you don't read the Bible carefully, but you want me to trust your physics and geology advanced knowledge also?

According to the bible (respect) there were 76 cats on the ark (36 species, cats are not kosher so we're boxed in 2s)

What about the millions with their offspring who could not hitch a lift?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

That's funny you say that, when I constantly see on forums "I'm an atheist and train my children the right way. What should I say when they ask me about God?"

And how did you get from "Someone created the Big Bang" to "prayers answered". Of course, one implies the power for the other... but you keep jumping around like there's something bothering you. Is there something I should know?

Either the universe is eternal or it is not eternal.

Either something preexisted the earliest we can see using cosmic background microwaves and etc. or nothing did.

We are made of matter and energy as people. We know inherently that we were made and our universe was made. Why go against the inner prompting that it is self-evident the universe cannot be eternal (conservation of matter/energy) but was created (by the Lord Jesus Christ).

Why does this bother you so much?

Some unreferenced "link" to some anonymous (and possibly bogus) website does not impress me.

Babies are BORN ATHEISTS: that is, they lack any and all faith in gods.

There is absolutely NO "natural tendency" to believe in fairy-tales such as gods.

Proof? The countless thousands of DIFFERENT religions around the world-- each with various magical beings-- some godlike, others? not so much.

IF your claim were TRUE? There would be JUST THE ONE (1) RELIGION.

Is that the case? Heck NO! NOT EVEN CHRISTIANITY HAS ONE BRAND: 40,000 DIFFERENT brands of Genuine Christian™ at last count-- AND THE NUMBER IS GROWING.

That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that there are NO GODS behind ANY religion!

If there was an actual, real, god? There would be just the one (1) religion!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Are you asking me why the church needs money or being rhetorical? I cannot tell, still.

Indeed. IF there were a SINGLE CHURCH that was actually backed by a Real God™?

Money would be the LAST thing it would need! Success would be automatic.

What mere human created organization could competed with one who was guided by, and given advice from an actual, Real God™

The fact that all religion-- no exceptions-- require much money-- more money than the followers can comfortably part with-- proves beyond a doubt said religion isn't backed by an actual god...

 

[ChristineM]

That's funny you say that, when I constantly see on forums "I'm an atheist and train my children the right way. What should I say when they ask me about God?"

And how did you get from "Someone created the Big Bang" to "prayers answered". Of course, one implies the power for the other... but you keep jumping around like there's something bothering you. Is there something I should know?

Either the universe is eternal or it is not eternal.

Either something preexisted the earliest we can see using cosmic background microwaves and etc. or nothing did.

We are made of matter and energy as people. We know inherently that we were made and our universe was made. Why go against the inner prompting that it is self-evident the universe cannot be eternal (conservation of matter/energy) but was created (by the Lord Jesus Christ).

Why does this bother you so much?

I am an atheist who allows her children their own choice, my boy chose to attend Sunday school and church. By age 7 he asked if it was ok to stop going, he'd though about what he was being taught and realised it was interfering with his education in facts.

My daughter's both saw the light and refused to even give it a try


And your pre existing claim is based on faith alone

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sometimes He does. Jesus said you can call Him any name, but not reject His call to salvation when it comes.

I think the men who mocked the prophet AFTER seeing him do miracles should have died, sure. You and I can go to Hell because of our words like "I don't trust Jesus for salvation, ever!" so why can't men die for mocking God's man? Be consistent.

Biblically, God never kills people for their words, until after they've "seen and done". "The poor guy" who picked up sticks on the Sabbath was taken out of Egypt through signs and wonders, and picked up sticks within visual sight of the pillar of fire beside the camp that blazed!

The monster you call "god" is unworthy of the title.

What you describe is nothing less than extortion!

The worst Mafia protection racket has nothing on the being you call "god", here...! The worst these Mafia thugs could do, is kill you and take your stuff!

Your god? Will torture forever, for failing to stroke it's massively bloated ego...!