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Belief and Knowledge

Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
psychoslice said:
That doesn't mean I have beliefs in the political, its what I see for now, and I share what I see, things could change and I will change with that flow, everything I have said here i also don't believe, I just say it, I have no choice but to say it.
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That's pretty much exactly what a belief is. You are describing a belief and just refusing to call it a belief.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
psychoslice said:
How do you know that ?.
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Beliefs are inescapable: they are anything we consider to be true.

For the length of time you consider something true, you have a belief. Doesn't matter if you change your mind 2 sec later.

And you certainly believe that you have no beliefs.
 
Willamena

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Falvlun said:
Are you saying that we don't mean "I know" literally?
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Yes. Just as "to believe" is used non-literally.

We often say, "I know," when what we really mean is that we are certain.

Edit: And there are other non-literal uses of "to know," including "I believe you."
 
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psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Falvlun said:
Beliefs are inescapable: they are anything we consider to be true.

For the length of time you consider something true, you have a belief. Doesn't matter if you change your mind 2 sec later.

And you certainly believe that you have no beliefs.
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So, you believe that to be true ?.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Falvlun said:
Can you say "That was knowledge at the time."?
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You can say whatever you want. Whether it's true is a separate matter.

Then it seems like "true" can't be the criteria for knowledge. Knowledge is a belief that is justified and currently "believed to be true". Perhaps that's implied?
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Not quite. It isn't that knowledge is believed to be true; it's that what is believed to be knowledge is believed to be true.

The philosophical definition seems to be a bit more rigid than that: it's not enough for someone to think that something is true; it actually must be true (to be considered knowledge).
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But since we're talking about judgements of what is knowledge, not absolute determinations of what is knowledge, a judgement of what is true - not an absolute determination - is sufficient.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
You can say whatever you want. Whether it's true is a separate matter.
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What does it matter if what we consider knowledge is true or not?

If we can never "know that we know" then we can never know that something is knowledge. We can only say that something is knowledge.

9-10ths_Penguin said:
Not quite. It isn't that knowledge is believed to be true; it's that what is believed to be knowledge is believed to be true.
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Knowledge is whatever is believed to be knowledge because we can't distinguish between knowledge and what is believed to be knowledge.

9-10ths_Penguin said:
But since we're talking about judgements of what is knowledge, not absolute determinations of what is knowledge, a judgement of what is true - not an absolute determination - is sufficient.
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If this is sufficient, then it really is knowledge as long as someone believes their fact is justified and true.
 
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