No overwhelming historical proof: Why I doubt Jesus

[loverofhumanity]

Here's another Gita quote: "As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones."(Bg 2.22) But let me focus on something else. If people misinterpreted the "manifestation" and changed what the religion taught, then that religion is wrong. So if the people changed what Krishna said then is Hinduism wrong? And likewise, if Jesus wasn't virgin born and didn't rise physically from the dead, then is what most Christians teach about Jesus wrong? If so, then is Christianity teaching falsehoods about Jesus? Oh, and a few other Christian teachings... the devil/satan and hell, is that true or is that also a misinterpretation of things Jesus said?

Some things we can only know through the new Manifestation when He clears it up. There are some things in the Holy Books which are clear like to be good and holy and other things not clear such as the mystical things and prophecies.

Putting on a new garment is just changing from an old self to a new self as in changing from the old selfish, rude self to a new loving, kind and thoughtful self. The self has not changed just put on virtuous clothes. When the soul progresses through the embryo until full adulthood, it passes through many forms of bodies but it is still the same soul in the same body.

People in older times had a lot of trouble understanding these things especially if they were not spiritual but today these things and their meanings are crystal clear in the Baha'i Writings. Refer to them when you have time.

The 'essence' of what Hinduism and all the great religions taught is never wrong only the interpretation and commentaries. We read from Hindu, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Baha'i Holy Books in our Temples each week and we do not consider our Prophet superior to the others or us any better than anyone else. All religions teach truth but over time interpretations and commentaries have caused misunderstanding. All these religions are true beyond any doubt whatsoever!

The reason religion needs to be renewed and why Krishna said He would return from time to time is that the truth eventually gets mixed up with man made dogmas making it confusing for people to tell the difference.

The Virgin Birth is confirmed by Baha'u'llah as being true not a superstition but as fact. Christ's Resurrection. Is spiritual not a bodily one. That Christ was crucified with only a handful of followers only to eventually win over Rome and half humanity to His Cause, only being the son of a carpenter, and his followers persecuted, tortured and killed is the true Resurrection. It began 3 days after He died when His followers realised He was from God and not an ordinary man. It took three days before they began exalting His Cause.

Satan is not an entity or existence but a metaphor used to portray man's ego or insistent self which serves his lower appetites. There is no such thing as the devil just like darkness is not an actual existence but the lack of light. Heaven and hell mean to be distant from or close to God and are conditions of the soul. But there is a next world also.

Thank you so much for enabling me to serve you. I hope some of these answers were helpful.

 

[sunray]

Yes, everything is 'going according to God's purpose' for the humble people to inherit the earth - Matthew 5:5; Revelation 22:2
ALL are given the option of 2 Peter 3:9 to 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed) - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
By the international spreading news about God's kingdom being proclaimed world wide, God is making us think.- Matthew 24:14
'Think' as to who we would like as Sovereign over us ?
Psalms 2 is in connection to earth's rulers who turn against God - Psalms 104:35
It is clear such wicked ones will Not relinquish their authority to Christ's authority peacefully, hence the need for God to step in to eliminate all evil on earth. ( Including the evil of enemy death - 1 Corinthians 15:25; Isaiah 25:8 )

The way I see things is all the world is a stage, we have moved on so much in our development that as one people we are in the last act of the play,our training ground, as one people we continue to increase the light of humanity now we get to rise above good and bad and are all equals; As it says in the bible " I shall call my people not my people, and those, who are not my people iIshall call my people". there are many other references I could mention but you'd be better off reading my book when it is published. There is one copy available at a monastry near Caen if you're in the area.

 

[sunray]

Yes, everything is 'going according to God's purpose' for the humble people to inherit the earth - Matthew 5:5; Revelation 22:2
ALL are given the option of 2 Peter 3:9 to 'repent' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed) - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16
By the international spreading news about God's kingdom being proclaimed world wide, God is making us think.- Matthew 24:14
'Think' as to who we would like as Sovereign over us ?
Psalms 2 is in connection to earth's rulers who turn against God - Psalms 104:35
It is clear such wicked ones will Not relinquish their authority to Christ's authority peacefully, hence the need for God to step in to eliminate all evil on earth. ( Including the evil of enemy death - 1 Corinthians 15:25; Isaiah 25:8 )

Further to my last reply to this quote I'd like to add:
As one philospher wrote (Bergson) the planet earth is a nest to create gods.
However, we the humans are the salt of the earth. Salt chases aways the bad.
Infact we are the digestive system of the planet and we are all needed (the good, the bad, the evangelic, etc) to help digest the light, both phisical and Spitirtual, to feed the planet and help with our own earthly and spiritual development, subtly God directs this digestion and we all win in the end. As it states in the Bible ( for those who need a reference) God will forgive all sins. St. Paul (the very worst sinner).
Therefore, one's development helps the planet grow too. God simply means, Grow Or Die!

 

[oldbadger]

Interesting reply.


Wait. Deist don't believe god created the universe? I thought (from past deistic posts) that god created everything but he isn't personal. Unless that's how you interpret deism as your belief? Because I also was told that deism is more flexible than other theistic worldviews.

Ah Ha! Hand on Heart, I have no single clue about creation of any kind. I simply believe that God-is-All.
And, sure, God does not hold humans as any more special than ants, or skanky badgers!

Of course, just to make things more intellectual there are Pan-Deists and Panen-Deists. I just believe that GodisAll and that here on Earth Nature.... Mother Nature if you like, rules with a giving and taking, and without prejudice!

What about deist? I was referring to some atheist don't have that "need to find a reason behind our existence." How does your belief in god (however defined) equate to needing a reason behind our existence. Also, why would some atheists (I'll say non-believers as in your post) non-believers wonder about the reason as you do (as in your former post)? The way you phrased it, it sounded like it should be "common sense" that we should be thinking of a reason behind our existence?

Well, I perceive that there are Ardent Religions, Religions, Ardent Faiths, Faiths, Theisms, Deisms, Atheisms, Ardent Atheisms, etc....... and interwoven through all of these to some degree or other there can be, might be, agnosticism, curiosity, etc etc.
So, take your pick......... I find that humans are very very curious! If you show me an atheist or agnostic/atheist who really isn't bothered about any questions to do with our existence then that's fine. In fact, humans come in every possible (metaphor here...) mindset, shape, size, weight, gender, race, culture etc etc.......
But Science World is full of Atheists of one kind or another whose whole life is ardently committed to search and question about our existence.
I don't think that any two folks are the same, as different as their finger-prints in every way possble.

Okay. but " Why would you think anyone else but believers should see reason/god behind the universe? Why put everyone in one same boat?"

I never would put everybody in the same boat........ think of the consequences of a capsize.
Look........ Most people do question, do think, do wonder...... if you or any others don't then that's fine.

 

[oldbadger]

@oldbadger
Kinda make my points shorter for you.

That is sweet of you. Thankyou.

Why would someone's denial of god exist in the mind just as every other atheist's denial? (You didn't say some, you just said atheist).

Ha ha! What fun! All you have to do is tell me, show me how anybody's thoughts, opinions, ideas, beliefs etc can initiate anywhere else but in their minds.​

From the couple of post I read, it seemed you were counter acting someone else's post that said believe in god was in the mind. By this comment above, it seems like belief in god is a default and atheists are denying it. How did you come to that conclusion?

..... so something I wrote seemed like something to you..... correct?
And from your guess, it SEEMS like I think something more...... true?
And then, you decide that all that was my conclusion.... true?

I tell you what, you spin guesses upon guesses upon guesses, then pin yiour guessed conclusions to other people's lapels, and then deman an explanation.

Now, guess what what my mind is thinking right now, about your approach.....
​

How does the stars and galaxies show god?

Well, they can't, to you, that's obvious. But to a lot of people they see Hugeness Beyond Comprehension, especially if they read that some astronomers have seen some galaxies moving 'out of sync' with their expected paths, which can suggest that there are forces and attractions beyond our Universe, which could suggest Multiverses. And where does this Hugeness end?
Wow! Big-G is really BIG!

Why do we need to question the reason for our existence? (not saying you said this. I'm blunt)

You don't need to if you don't want to, but then, you've written over 10,000 posts on RF........ what motivated you?

Why call this reason god?

Yeah. Why not?

Where is the logic or connection between the two-reason and god?

I am told, and have read, that scientists find REASON for and behind most 'things' that they research.
I have never read that a Theorem or Law is unreasobale. It does begin to loook as if there is order out of chaos, and reason behind physics etc. And the reason for the existence of everything, for me, is God.

If it's common sense, why are people who believe in other gods, spirits (my words), et cetera don't believe in the god you believe in (however defined)?

Well, you don't seem to believe in my 'God-is-all' even though I see you as a minute part of that, and should give you a little more respect than laugh at your questions. But I'm imperfect!
The way I see it, there is lots of sense in the wlorld, but there is not much 'common' sense. What's sensible to me is often not sense to somebody else, living somewhere else, doing something else. But they are sensible, probably more sensible than me or you.

It's not in the atheist reality to believe in god just as it's not in your reality to believe in the Spirits and not in my reality to believe in Zues. How is that wrong? What's the conflict between someone else's reality and yours; and, why not accept both as true regardless of your disagreements?

Oi!!! Don't you tell me what I believe in..... you just stick to what you believe in, or out of. You keep grasping conclusions and trying to stuff them in me.
I accept all religions that bring love, harmony, understanding, empathy and care to all others. All of them!!!
I do not accept religions that will not emancipate minorities, subjugate females, bring conflict to people over their gender, sexuality, culture, race, colour, religion, creed, ability, age or nationality.
And as you know, I bring debate to those extremists who would stamp upon and out anything to do with any particular religion.

So what have you got there? You've got that I debate against extremists. Finit.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is sweet of you. Thankyou.

Ha ha! What fun! All you have to do is tell me, show me how anybody's thoughts, opinions, ideas, beliefs etc can initiate anywhere else but in their minds.​

..... so something I wrote seemed like something to you..... correct?
And from your guess, it SEEMS like I think something more...... true?
And then, you decide that all that was my conclusion.... true?

I tell you what, you spin guesses upon guesses upon guesses, then pin yiour guessed conclusions to other people's lapels, and then deman an explanation.

Now, guess what what my mind is thinking right now, about your approach.....
​

Well, they can't, to you, that's obvious. But to a lot of people they see Hugeness Beyond Comprehension, especially if they read that some astronomers have seen some galaxies moving 'out of sync' with their expected paths, which can suggest that there are forces and attractions beyond our Universe, which could suggest Multiverses. And where does this Hugeness end?
Wow! Big-G is really BIG!


You don't need to if you don't want to, but then, you've written over 10,000 posts on RF........ what motivated you?


Yeah. Why not?


I am told, and have read, that scientists find REASON for and behind most 'things' that they research.
I have never read that a Theorem or Law is unreasobale. It does begin to loook as if there is order out of chaos, and reason behind physics etc. And the reason for the existence of everything, for me, is God.


Well, you don't seem to believe in my 'God-is-all' even though I see you as a minute part of that, and should give you a little more respect than laugh at your questions. But I'm imperfect!
The way I see it, there is lots of sense in the wlorld, but there is not much 'common' sense. What's sensible to me is often not sense to somebody else, living somewhere else, doing something else. But they are sensible, probably more sensible than me or you.


Oi!!! Don't you tell me what I believe in..... you just stick to what you believe in, or out of. You keep grasping conclusions and trying to stuff them in me.
I accept all religions that bring love, harmony, understanding, empathy and care to all others. All of them!!!
I do not accept religions that will not emancipate minorities, subjugate females, bring conflict to people over their gender, sexuality, culture, race, colour, religion, creed, ability, age or nationality.
And as you know, I bring debate to those extremists who would stamp upon and out anything to do with any particular religion.

So what have you got there? You've got that I debate against extremists. Finit.

Ima pretend there is no sarcasm in this post. I will get back with you and rephrase my serious questions with the former posts Im referring to. That and my questions are not assumptions. They are questions. Pleaze dont read into anything you do not actually see on your screen.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ima ask my questions from youe direct words.

How about....... Your denial of God exists in your mind, just like every other atheist's denial, because it is your (and their) mindset. I already know that. See? a no-score draw.

How do you define god?

I believe all of our spiritual experiences are "interpreted" by our minds. If god is an entity and he exists, like my cereal on my table, it isnt an illusion. Our interpretations may be off; but, if its a fact, how can you say god is from the mind?

What is god to you to come to that conclusion?

What is the atheist's denial? Are you saying (from your reply to the other poster) that we are denying the existence of god? (This is a question Not an assumption)

Fair enough. Let's do it. Out you go and (on a dark clear night) look at all those stats and Galaxies. What is the reason for their existence? Since you don't have any more clues than anyone else, let's call 'the reason' 'GOD'?

How did you come to this conclusion? (Dont mind me. Im asking your views)

No authority....... The authority is vested in Mother Nature, and you can fear her as much as any other creature.

This is odd but I would have had to follow your conversation to understand it. Fear Mother Nature?

How is Mother Nature an authority in your view? (Not an assumption. Not about me. Just going by the quote above)

No sarcasm. Just blunt questions. Simple as I can make them.

 

[oldbadger]

Ima pretend there is no sarcasm in this post. I will get back with you and rephrase my serious questions with the former posts Im referring to. That and my questions are not assumptions. They are questions. Pleaze dont read into anything you do not actually see on your screen.

OK.... On to your next post, and those questions......

 

[oldbadger]

Ima ask my questions from youe direct words.


How do you define god?

Same as before:-
God-is-All.
And, sure, God does not hold humans as any more special than ants, or skanky badgers!
Remember?

I believe all of our spiritual experiences are "interpreted" by our minds. If god is an entity and he exists, like my cereal on my table, it isnt an illusion. Our interpretations may be off; but, if its a fact, how can you say god is from the mind?

Oh Dear.......... so much prejudice in two or three sentences! But I'll answer as best I can......
1. Sentence 1. Bully for you.
2. Sentence 2. God is not a 'he'. Well, Bhuddists talk about 'all is illusion', but I just look about and see 'God-in-all'.
3. Sentence 3. I think therefore I am. Ever heard of that? Everything I think, feel, etc all my thoughts and memories, are in my mind.

What is god to you to come to that conclusion?

God is everything, and I believe that because it seems to me to be reason.

What is the atheist's denial? Are you saying (from your reply to the other poster) that we are denying the existence of god? (This is a question Not an assumption)

Love it! I think the context was about Jesus, Yeshua BarYosef, the handworjker who probably worked along the Capernaum shoreline and initiated a mission. On the balance of probabilities I think that he probably did exist.
Lot's of atheists do agree with this, some are even more definite than that.
But some atheists, more extreme atheists, deny everything about Jesus, his life, mission, and all.
No matter how one shows a probability it is denied. Some of these cases are so obviously denial that I say so.
Hey! You read the context so why ask me about this much later?

Post up my allegation of denial, PLUS the previous posts that lead to my allegation. Yes?

How did you come to this conclusion? (Dont mind me. Im asking your views)

In the cases I remember it became evident.

This is odd but I would have had to follow your conversation to understand it. Fear Mother Nature?

How is Mother Nature an authority in your view? (Not an assumption. Not about me. Just going by the quote above)

No sarcasm. Just blunt questions. Simple as I can make them.

Question:- Have you, in all your life, ever been frightened?
Do you remember what was happening to make you frightened?
Now run it through your mind as if you were telling me about it.
Now finish with the words.... 'so I was frightened!'
My answer? ............. 'NATURALLY!'


easy....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Hmm.

Same as before:-
God-is-All.
And, sure, God does not hold humans as any more special than ants, or skanky badgers!
Remember?

You speak of god "not holding humans any more special than ants"...then you say

Oh Dear.......... so much prejudice in two or three sentences! But I'll answer as best I can......
1. Sentence 1. Bully for you.
2. Sentence 2. God is not a 'he'. Well, Bhuddists talk about 'all is illusion', but I just look about and see 'God-in-all'.
3. Sentence 3. I think therefore I am. Ever heard of that? Everything I think, feel, etc all my thoughts and memories, are in my mind.

God is not a he (pronoun for a person), god is in all. So how can life (I agree and I'm a pantheist) do anything in and of itself as if it has motivations such as not holding humans accountable?

If you said god takes care of us, I understand that since life or mother nature (or however phrased) does take care of us. However, I never heard of life holding us accountable for anything. Our guilt but not outside party.

No matter how one shows a probability it is denied. Some of these cases are so obviously denial that I say so.
Hey! You read the context so why ask me about this much later?

I don't think I did or missed it. We can skip this since I'm to lazy to look it up right now.

Question:- Have you, in all your life, ever been frightened?
Do you remember what was happening to make you frightened?
Now run it through your mind as if you were telling me about it.
Now finish with the words.... 'so I was frightened!'
My answer? ............. 'NATURALLY!'

4

You said "the authority is invested in mother nature, and you can fear her just as any other creature" (I italicized her)​

If god is life (god is in all), then of course, in life (or in god) we would be frightened. I just would take out the confusion and word god and say it as it is.

Then you say something about Mother nature, that's fine until you called it a her. Then that changed things making life a personification not only of god but nature (which is a part of god/life) a female and person. So, is Mother Nature a personification of nature?

The reply above (have you been frightened?) doesn't relate to what I asked, though. I have been frightened before, and how does that connect fearing Mother Nature?

Do you see nature as an authority over you?

 

[CG Didymus]

...The 'essence' of what Hinduism and all the great religions taught is never wrong only the interpretation and commentaries... All religions teach truth but over time interpretations and commentaries have caused misunderstanding. All these religions are true beyond any doubt whatsoever!

In Christianity people wrote the NT. So already we have a problem of interpretation. They believed they saw a living risen Jesus. That's who they wrote about. Were they wrong?

 

[loverofhumanity]

In Christianity people wrote the NT. So already we have a problem of interpretation. They believed they saw a living risen Jesus. That's who they wrote about. Were they wrong?

This was a spiritual vision not a physical thing. In a dream we see and touch and speak also but it is not physical.

A good example of this in the Bible is the transfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor. Moses, Elijah and the Father appeared but only the disciples saw Them although there were other people on the mountain.

Matthew 17:1-15

Here is the explanation

"Thou didst ask as to the transfiguration of Jesus, with Moses and Elias and the Heavenly Father on Mount Tabor, as referred to in the Bible. This occurrence was perceived by the disciples with their inner eye, wherefore it was a secret hidden away, and was a spiritual discovery of theirs. Otherwise, if the intent be that they witnessed physical forms, that is, witnessed that transfiguration with their outward eyes, then there were many others at hand on that plain and mountain, and why did they fail to behold it? And why did the Lord charge them that they should tell no man? It is clear that this was a spiritual vision and a scene of the Kingdom. Wherefore did the Messiah bid them to keep this hidden, ‘till the Son of Man were risen from the dead,’ —that is, until the Cause of God should be exalted, and the Word of God prevail, and the reality of Christ rise up." -Abdul-Baha

 

[oldbadger]

Hmm.
You speak of god "not holding humans any more special than ants"...then you say
So how can life ....do anything in and of itself as if it has motivations such as not holding humans accountable?

To think that humans are above all in the universe as to be specially accountable.
So you think you're special? Strange.

Then you say something about Mother nature, that's fine until you called it a her.

Gotcha! Your last misquote of me, thankyou.
I don't mind you spinning ideas out of me and then placing your idea of my conclusions into me. That's just funny.
I don't mind your contentious questioning. It seems naive to me.
I don't mind anybody's pushy posts, especially the absurd ones.
But I am fed up with your misquotes, the above being one.
I wrote, earlier 'Of course, just to make things more intellectual there are Pan-Deists and Panen-Deists. I just believe that GodisAll and that here on Earth Nature.... Mother Nature if you like.'
I called it Earth Nature, and offered the World's Name for it, IF YOU LIKE. You chucked it in my face.
That's you, done with. Bye!

The reply above (have you been frightened?) doesn't relate to what I asked, though. I have been frightened before, and how does that connect fearing Mother Nature?

You couldn't just answer the question.

Do you see nature as an authority over you?

So you think that you can rise above nature. This kind of arrogance is just breathtaking.
You can't even beat a common cold.......

Look, you jumped into a Thread about Jesus, I bit and followed, and now we've veered away into your idea of a meaningful conversation. I think it's meaningless. I can't help you.

I'm going back to the thread as titled.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To think that humans are above all in the universe as to be specially accountable.
So you think you're special? Strange.


Gotcha! Your last misquote of me, thankyou.
I don't mind you spinning ideas out of me and then placing your idea of my conclusions into me. That's just funny.
I don't mind your contentious questioning. It seems naive to me.
I don't mind anybody's pushy posts, especially the absurd ones.
But I am fed up with your misquotes, the above being one.
I wrote, earlier 'Of course, just to make things more intellectual there are Pan-Deists and Panen-Deists. I just believe that GodisAll and that here on Earth Nature.... Mother Nature if you like.'
I called it Earth Nature, and offered the World's Name for it, IF YOU LIKE. You chucked it in my face.
That's you, done with. Bye!


You couldn't just answer the question.


So you think that you can rise above nature. This kind of arrogance is just breathtaking.
You can't even beat a common cold.......

Look, you jumped into a Thread about Jesus, I bit and followed, and now we've veered away into your idea of a meaningful conversation. I think it's meaningless. I can't help you.

I'm going back to the thread as titled.

Um

My questions arent assumptions. Please stop assuming there are meaning behind what you dont see on screen. Also, if you think I misquote something, ask for clarification. Stop with the sarcasm.

Im trying to understand what youd are saying not pick a part your post ans detangle your message.

Please stop.

 

[CG Didymus]

This was a spiritual vision not a physical thing. In a dream we see and touch and speak also but it is not physical.

A good example of this in the Bible is the transfiguration of Christ on Mount Tabor. Moses, Elijah and the Father appeared but only the disciples saw Them although there were other people on the mountain.

Matthew 17:1-15

Here is the explanation

"Thou didst ask as to the transfiguration of Jesus, with Moses and Elias and the Heavenly Father on Mount Tabor, as referred to in the Bible. This occurrence was perceived by the disciples with their inner eye, wherefore it was a secret hidden away, and was a spiritual discovery of theirs. Otherwise, if the intent be that they witnessed physical forms, that is, witnessed that transfiguration with their outward eyes, then there were many others at hand on that plain and mountain, and why did they fail to behold it? And why did the Lord charge them that they should tell no man? It is clear that this was a spiritual vision and a scene of the Kingdom. Wherefore did the Messiah bid them to keep this hidden, ‘till the Son of Man were risen from the dead,’ —that is, until the Cause of God should be exalted, and the Word of God prevail, and the reality of Christ rise up." -Abdul-Baha

So then, most, if not all the main Christian denominations teach that Jesus physically rose from the dead, including the first one, the Catholics. They believe he died and rose again to conquer death and pay the penalty for the sins of all of humanity, and that when he returns The Adversary, their devil/Satan/Lucifer, will be cast into hell along with all non-believers. If that is not the message of the Gospels, then are all of them wrong? From the very beginning of Christianity did any of them ever have the right message and interpretation of what Jesus taught?

If not, then what was the right message and right interpretation? And if no Christian group taught that message, why would any true follower of God from a different religion change their faith and believe in Christianity with its wrong beliefs?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So then, most, if not all the main Christian denominations teach that Jesus physically rose from the dead, including the first one, the Catholics. They believe he died and rose again to conquer death and pay the penalty for the sins of all of humanity, and that when he returns The Adversary, their devil/Satan/Lucifer, will be cast into hell along with all non-believers. If that is not the message of the Gospels, then are all of them wrong? From the very beginning of Christianity did any of them ever have the right message and interpretation of what Jesus taught?

If not, then what was the right message and right interpretation? And if no Christian group taught that message, why would any true follower of God from a different religion change their faith and believe in Christianity with its wrong beliefs?

Thanks Didymus.

Christianity is a true religion from God. Christians have always believed in being loving, holy, kind, truthful, honest, sacrificing and serving humanity and we see still today many Christian organisations serve humanity, help the poor and sick and these were the Teachings of Jesus so Christians and Christianity always observed these things even now and we always love having them around.

Some of the theological and mystical things are not entirely incorrect just understood differently. For instance Christ does definitely live today in the hearts and minds of people. So regardless of whether a person believes in a bodily resurrection, Christ is resurrected in hearts. And so are all the other Prophets Whose bodies have died but live on in the hearts of men.

They still essentially believe that Christ lives on and so do I so I'm at one with Christians. The only time I would ever have a case against any Christian or believer of any religion is if they hated instead of loved.

No matter what we understand theologically or how we interpret the mystical things, only one thing is important above all to the Creator no matter what we call Him and that is we love each other and treat each other kindly.

As long as believers in any religion put loving others first they are faithful to their belief.

There is one danger though. That we condescend and say we are better and we know and others are ignorant and not saved. This form of superiority and exclusiveness does not come from religion but from the ego and the self.

True religion, regardless of mystical or the theological, above all teaches love of every human being, black white, rich poor, all religionists and atheists and never to condemn or belittle others or be a cause of sadness to others.

I may know all the verses of all the religions in the world but you may be a thousand times better person than me. (And most likely are)

Book learning is not as important as good deeds and actions.

A truly knowledgable person even if he is illiterate, is the loving person because he has already learnt what all the books in the world cannot teach - to love all humanity.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Christians have always believed in being loving, holy, kind, truthful, honest, sacrificing and serving humanity and we see still today many Christian organisations serve humanity, help the poor and sick and these were the Teachings of Jesus so Christians and Christianity always observed these things even now and we always love having them around.

A bit whitewashed, though. Saints will be saints no matter what the religion, if any. Villains will always be villains, no matter what the religion, if any.

 

[sunray]

It's nice that everyone is communicating.
For me the results talk for themselves.
As far as I can see, religion and spirituality should be about Human development, so if you are not in a state of real development, perhaps you should think again about your priorities.

Head development is in my view the most important part of Human Development.

So one's Pineal Gland, in one's Head should be active, if it's not why not? It's the gate to the stars after all, and from there to the spiritual dimension.

There are of course two Glands in the head. The other name for the Pituitry head gland is the third eye, when that is active it should be a bit like a kaleidoscope into the spiritual dimension.

To have these things active I would say, in my case anyway, it is first necessary to have faith in God and Jesus Christ, then all the Saints and Prophets.
Of course, one should also understand Astrology, Astronomy, The laws that Govern creation, head development, the aura, the difference between essence and personality, The Human Body, etc...

By having faith first, as opposed to proof, one is then presented with real truths.

 

[loverofhumanity]

A bit whitewashed, though. Saints will be saints no matter what the religion, if any. Villains will always be villains, no matter what the religion, if any.

Yes I agree fully and that we must always be vigilant.

 

[CG Didymus]

...There is one danger though. That we condescend and say we are better and we know and others are ignorant and not saved. This form of superiority and exclusiveness does not come from religion but from the ego and the self....

That's what I'm talking about about. Many Christians are taught to believe in a NT verse where Jesus allegedly says that he is the "truth, the life" and the no one comes to the Father except through him. They are taught that all other religions are false, regardless of how good a person is, because they believe that unless a person is "saved" they are going to hell.

We all see the problem with that when too many "Christians" merely go to church on Sunday and the rest of the week they aren't all that spiritual. Yet, they believe they are "saved" and that is what's important. The more committed Christians do try and live a spiritual life, but they will tell a person from another religion that they are wrong and that they are not believing in the true God. Of course that includes believing that God is three in one, that there is a devil and a place called hell and that unless a person is "born-again" they won't go to heaven, they'll go to hell. And that is because they believe a person can never be good enough, that a person must accept Jesus' sacrifice, to accept that he paid the price for their sins. For them, there is no other way and no other religion.

Those groups are usually some kind of Protestant denomination, but I'm sure that 2000 years ago when the Roman Church got going that they were thinking that they were the only ones right. So again, did any Christian group ever teach the true message of God and Jesus? And if not, then we can't expect a Jew or a Hindu, or a person from any other religion to accept the new manifestation and his teachings if they weren't the correct teachings. So who, if anybody, had the true message of Jesus?