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Why does it seem that God never intervenes in Human Suffering

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, etc.

Well, how could I possibly know that. I have never read their scriptures, however, I am sure that they will contain similar principles, commandments and precepts as the bible. We all worship the same God, just is different ways.

That goes against Christian scripture however.

Does it. You are saying that Jesus suffered and died on the cross and took upon himself the sins of the world so that all men could receive salvation as a gift from God, is not a fundamental principle of Christianity. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God but Jesus Christ took those sins from us allowing all mankind to come forward on the morning of the resurrection. That does not excuse them of accountability at the judgement bar it is just a guarantee that we will all receive immortality in one of the mansions in heaven. I am surprised that you are not aware of this. It is a fundamental principle of Christianity, especially if you are a born again christian.

1 Corinthians 15:22
21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.


Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Well, how could I possibly know that. I have never read their scriptures, however, I am sure that they will contain similar principles, commandments and precepts as the bible. We all worship the same God, just is different ways.

That's the kind of ignorance you get from assuming.

Heck, Buddhism does not even have a god.

Does it. You are saying that Jesus suffered and died on the cross and took upon himself the sins of the world so that all men could receive salvation as a gift from God, is not a fundamental principle of Christianity. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God but Jesus Christ took those sins from us allowing all mankind to come forward on the morning of the resurrection. That does not excuse them of accountability at the judgement bar it is just a guarantee that we will all receive immortality in one of the mansions in heaven. I am surprised that you are not aware of this. It is a fundamental principle of Christianity, especially if you are a born again christian.

Exactly, In Christianity only Christians go to heaven, not non-Christians.

Keep in mind even though Corinthians says that, several other verses say you have to believe in Jesus.

Yay for bible contradictions.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
That's the kind of ignorance you get from assuming.

Heck, Buddhism does not even have a god.

Not according to JoStories, a Buddist member of this forum, she tells me that some Buddists do worship God. She does.

Exactly, In Christianity only Christians go to heaven, not non-Christians.

A lot of rhetoric without real or scriptural evidence, That's the kind of ignorance you get from assuming.

Keep in mind even though Corinthians says that, several other verses say you have to believe in Jesus.

Yes, to those who interpret without the spirit and a belief in God would see a contradiction. You wouldn't take a parking ticket from a milkman would you, so I wouldn't take what an atheists tells me about scriptures seriously. I know what their motives are.


Yay for bible contradictions.

Why do you ridicule that which is sacred to many people. What do you hope to achieve, apart from posters who will eventually ignore you.[/QUOTE]
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
"No according to JoStories, a buddist member of this forum, she tells me that some Buddists do worship God."

And some Christians worship Mary.

Does that make it a part of the religion?

"A lot of rhetoric without real or scriptural evidence."

I was referring to the scripture YOU provided.

"Yes, to those who interpret without the spirit and a belief in God would see a contradiction."

So you believe in god by reading the bible, which only makes sense if you believe in god.

That's called circular logic.

"You wouldn't take a parking ticket from a milkman would you, so I wouldn't take what an atheists tells me about scriptures seriously."

I have studied the bible in the original languages.

Your saying that because I did not think it to be accurate I do not know anything about it?

"I know what their motives are."

Really? Do tell.

My motive is that I will not believe in things without good reason, as much as I would love to think their is an all loving deity, I do not have a reason to believe in one.

"Why do you ridicule that which is sacred to many people."

Because I am trying to figure out what's true.

Also you ridicule every religion besides yours so you do the exact same thing.

"What do you hope to achieve, apart from posters who will eventually ignore you."

The same thing that's going to happen to you if you are not going to provide evidence for your claims.

If you ignore me because I want evidence for your claims, then I do not care for you because you are not intellectually honest. So I lose nothing.
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
It shouldn't be "why does god cause suffering." I mean, if you're an atheist, why ask the question? Unless there is some belief or maybe playing with the possibility that a non-existent god can allow something to happen. It is illogical.

Does questioning the ethics of Darth Vader mean i believe that Darth Vader actually exists?

Do you honestly think that humans are so amazingly primitive that they cannot examine the motivations of something they do not believe exists?

What an amazingly stupid, vapid and ignorant statement.
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
"No according to JoStories, a buddist member of this forum, she tells me that some Buddists do worship God."

And some Christians worship Mary.

You are making Mary a Straw Man

Does that make it a part of the religion?

Yes

"A lot of rhetoric without real or scriptural evidence."

I was referring to the scripture YOU provided.

And I was quoting your own words
"Yes, to those who interpret without the spirit and a belief in God would see a contradiction."

So you believe in god by reading the bible, which only makes sense if you believe in god.

No, that is just one source that convinces me that God exists.

That's called circular logic.

As you made an incorrect assumption it is not circular reasoning

"You wouldn't take a parking ticket from a milkman would you, so I wouldn't take what an atheists tells me about scriptures seriously."

I have studied the bible in the original languages.

And you are an atheist ridiculing christianity. That says far more then I think you know.
Your saying that because I did not think it to be accurate I do not know anything about it?

No, that is an example of your interpretation skills, you got it wrong.

"I know what their motives are."

Really? Do tell.

You need me to tell you, who comes on a religious forum and ridicules the beliefs of Christians for no good reason, what your motives are? If you are an atheists then why do you try to discredit theists. I am fine with you being an atheists so why don't you live and let live?

My motive is that I will not believe in things without good reason, as much as I would love to think their is an all loving deity, I do not have a reason to believe in one.

So you come on here and have a go at those who do have a reason to believe, whilst thinking that it cannot be true because if it were then you to would have a reason to believe.
"Why do you ridicule that which is sacred to many people."

Because I am trying to figure out what's true.

Let me assure you that all you will receive is animosity by ridiculing other peoples beliefs

Also you ridicule every religion besides yours so you do the exact same thing.

I most certainly do not. You misrepresent me.

"What do you hope to achieve, apart from posters who will eventually ignore you."

The same thing that's going to happen to you if you are not going to provide evidence for your claims.
To what evidence do you refer to?

If you ignore me because I want evidence for your claims, then I do not care for you because you are not intellectually honest. So I lose nothing.

What evidence are you looking for, that God exists? Only I have no evidence for that other than my own personal testimony. The only evidence that you will get is the evidence that you will get if you ask God if it is true.[/QUOTE]
 

Serenity7855

Lambaster of the Angry Anti-Theists
Does questioning the ethics of Darth Vader mean i believe that Darth Vader actually exists?

Well, yes. If you did not believe in Darth Vader then what does it matter what ethics he has.

Do you honestly think that humans are so amazingly primitive that they cannot examine the motivations of something they do not believe exists?

It depends on why you do not believe He exists and what evidence you have that He does not exists. If you have just decided it having no evidence then yes, we are that primitive.

What an amazingly stupid, vapid and ignorant statement.

Really, was there any need for the usual atheist hostility?
 

Aiviu

Active Member
If your God exists then why does He allow children to starve and pedophiles to exist. It is one of the most frequently asked questions of atheists and one that they think dismisses the existence of God. On another thread and another topic I recieved this post that caused me to think that maybe it is not something that Christians know or believe. Maybe it was lost with the creeds?



I believe that the answer is so obvious that we do not consider it. You first have to consider why you are here, what is this life all about and what happens to us when it is all over? Why are we here?
Coming here allows you to:
  • Receive a physical body.
  • Exercise agency and learn to choose between good and evil.
  • Learn and gain experience that will help you become more like your Heavenly Father.
  • Form family relationships that may become eternal.
  • To be tried and tested in the flesh to see if we will have sufficient faith if God to keep His commandments.
Your life didn’t begin at birth and it won’t end at death. Before you came to earth, your spirit lived with Heavenly Father who created you. You knew Him, and He knew and loved you. It was a happy time during which you were taught God’s plan of happiness and the path to true joy.

One thing that makes this life so hard sometimes is that we’re out of God’s physical presence. Not only that, but we can’t remember our pre-earth life which means we have to operate by faith rather than sight. God didn’t say it would be easy, but He promised His spirit would be there when we needed Him. Even though it feels like it sometimes, we’re not alone in our journey.

So what is faith? To have faith is to “hope for things which are not seen, which are true” Hebrews 11:1). Each day you act upon things you hope for, even before you see the end result. This is similar to faith. Faith in God is more than a theoretical belief in Him. To have faith in God is to trust Him, to have confidence in Him, and to be willing to act on your belief in Him. It is a principle of action and power. That is the test that we are here to take. The test of our faith. To make choices that reflect upon that faith in Christ. If we had a perfect knowledge of Him then we could not be tried and tested by our faith because a perfect knowledge and faith could not exist together, there is either one or the other. There is a Mormon scripture that discribes this very well

Alma 32: 17-21

17 Yea, there are many who do say: If thou wilt show unto us a sign from heaven, then we shall know of a surety; then we shall believe.

18 Now I ask, is this faith? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for if a man knoweth a thing he hath no cause to believe, for he knoweth it.

19 And now, how much more cursed is he thatknoweth the will of God and doeth it not, than he that only believeth, or only hath cause to believe, and falleth into transgression?

20 Now of this thing ye must judge. Behold, I say unto you, that it is on the one hand even as it is on the other; and it shall be unto every man according to his work.

21 And now as I said concerning faith—faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.

And that is the reaso why God cannot intervene and prevent the children from starving or take away the temptations of the pedophile. As soon as He does then the whole meaning of our existence will no longer be tenable and we would all be subjected to Satan. It is not that God turns His back on those who are suffering, I am sure that He weeps for them and longs to do something to alliviate their suffering, however, He cannot do that without destroying the entire Plan of Salvation by taking away the essential ingredient of faith.

Now, that is my belief. As I believe that God is a personage of infinite knowledge, I believe, so the entire Plan of Salvation is perfect with every single eventuality being covered. What do you think?

If He intervene directly to your life He wouldnt see who you really are because you would behave and hide yourself by you are knowing that He is exists.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
So you are saying that Pope John Paul II Catechism says that the catholic Church practice Voodoo and venerate Santa Muerte.
No, I took your post as saying that you're not sure if those practices are part of Catholicism or not, as Catholicism is defined by the Church. They're not. I'm just saying that religions are often synchronized with other things or newer things are introduced into them, as with the case of Buddhism and deities.
 
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