Mormon Church To US Supreme Court: Ban Gay Marriage

[sojourner]

That is your opinion and what I would expect you to say.

Hers is the only one that matters. Your views are also opinion -- and opinion that is based in bigotry and misinformation.

 

[sojourner]

This is a religious forum and this thread is debating Gay marriage. Of course the subject of gays is going to arise.

Be careful when just repeating what other posters say without testing it first

Romans 1:27
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Sodomy is mention in the bible many times and this verse from Romans was spoken by Jesus. You don't know what you are talking about. Do you really think that there would be this much controversy of homosexuality if it was not mentioned in the bible? You trust the words of a atheist yet you denounce the words of a Christian.

Jesus isn't quoted there. And the passage says nothing about homosexuality. It talks about lust (and likely the lust toward underage boys, not consensual, adult relationships).

 

[sojourner]

Do you really think that there would be this much controversy of homosexuality if it was not mentioned in the bible?

Yes, because homosexuality isn't mentioned in the bible.

 

[sojourner]

You are doing it again. This is not about me and my person. We are debating gay marriage we are not trying to insult serenity the most. Get off my back you trouble making zealot with a spiteful tongue. You have made it all to clear that you are not here to debate.

Apparently, though, you are trying to insult homosexuals the most, rather than argue valid points with regard to marriage. Perhaps you're not here to debate, either? Just an observation...

 

[sojourner]

I now must block you, therefore, nothing you write will be seen by me. You are not good for any debating forum when you insult they members.

Good! He can now respond to your bigotry unimpeded by you.

 

[Serenity7855]

Next >

That's right. Science has proved otherwise about homosexuality. My point stands.

Only if you were honest you wouldtell it like it is. Science has not come up with a definitive cause of homosexuality.

When you say that science says that homosexuality is an illness, you're quoting old science that's no longer cogent.

I know. I need not say that it was breaking news

Right -- that's my point! Old information. We don't view salvation that way anymore. Nor should we view homosexuality through an old science lens anymore.

Oh but we most definitely do. You got to be a big fat joke on here. What a terribly humorous and grossly mis-informed statement to make. God is the same today and tomorrow and forever. As every Christian would know, He just does not change. He does not change because truth is a constant as is God.

Hebrews 13:8 ESV / 113 helpful votes
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Malachi 3:6 ESV / 87 helpful votes
“For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

You are debating from a point of ignorance. Such a statement makes you sound stupid without any serious knowledge of Christianity. You have embarrassed yourself with your lack of knowledge and confirmed that you are trying to prove me wrong rather than have a serious debate.

Neither do we need to tag homosexuality with an outdated judgment.

it is not outdated. The hypothesis may be long in the tooth but its content is still a major consideration to solving the conundrum of homosexuality

 

[Serenity7855]

Good! He can now respond to your bigotry unimpeded by you.

Another insult

 

[Serenity7855]

Apparently, though, you are trying to insult homosexuals the most, rather than argue valid points with regard to marriage. Perhaps you're not here to debate, either? Just an observation...

You are doing it again. This is not about me and my person. We are debating gay marriage we are not trying to insult serenity the most. Get off my back you trouble making zealot with a spiteful tongue. You have made it all to clear that you are not here to debate.

 

[Serenity7855]

Christ would also be honest about what sin is. Yet you're being disingenuous. Jesus was obviously not talking about homosexuality.

Right, Jesus was not talking about homosexuals when he said

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Or this from the New Testament.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

 

[Serenity7855]

There is no bigotry bring slung at you. "Obvious" or otherwise. The "digs" are not needless, for your statements constitute complicity in the prevailing institutional violence, and they must be resisted. Otherwise the violence will continue unabated.

What digs are those then. Perhaps you could demonstrate or are you lying in order to discredit me because you are gay and do not like to hear the truth.

 

[Serenity7855]

Jesus isn't quoted there. And the passage says nothing about homosexuality. It talks about lust (and likely the lust toward underage boys, not consensual, adult relationships).

Oh dear, you are escalating your delusions. It just cannot be mistaken but there is another that says the same and shows your desperation to wriggle out of this one

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

 

[sojourner]

Only if you were honest you wouldtell it like it is. Science has not come up with a definitive cause of homosexuality.

I didn't say they had. But they have concluded that it's a normal, sexual orientation.

Oh but we most definitely do. You got to be a big fat joke on here. What a terribly humorous and grossly mis-informed statement to make. God is the same today and tomorrow and forever. As every Christian would know, He just does not change. He does not change because truth is a constant as is God.

But we are not the same. We change. Therefore, our perspective of God, sin, judgment, repentance, redemption, also change. And our view of what constitutes "normal."

You are debating from a point of ignorance. Such a statement makes you sound stupid without any serious knowledge of Christianity. You have embarrassed yourself with your lack of knowledge and confirmed that you are trying to prove me wrong rather than have a serious debate.

You don't know anything about me -- what I do or do not know. Fact is, I'd be willing to bet that I know far, far, far more than you "about Christianity."

I don't have to prove you wrong. You simply are wrong and everyone here knows it.

it is not outdated. The hypothesis may be long in the tooth but its content is still a major consideration to solving the conundrum of homosexuality

When the mental health community embraces it as normal, the culture embraces it as normal, and it is no longer treated as a medical abnormality, I'd have to say that it is outdated.

 

[sojourner]

Another insult

An observation. You're having blocked him does not mean that the rest of us cannot enjoy and benefit from his posts.

 

[sojourner]

You are doing it again. This is not about me and my person. We are debating gay marriage we are not trying to insult serenity the most. Get off my back you trouble making zealot with a spiteful tongue. You have made it all to clear that you are not here to debate.

A copy from another post? So long as you continue to spout bigotry, I shall continue to refute and condemn it. As you so eloquently put it earlier, "It's not about you." It's about the bigotry.

 

[Demonslayer]

An observation. You're having blocked him does not mean that the rest of us cannot enjoy and benefit from his posts.

Can he not see my posts??

Serenity7855 has a stinky butt! STINKY-BUTT, STINKY-BUTT!!

 

[sojourner]

Right, Jesus was not talking about homosexuals when he said

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Or this from the New Testament.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

1) Jesus isn't quoted in Paul's letters. Jesus didn't say this. Paul said it. 2) The word "homosexual" does not appear in the Greek.

 

[sojourner]

What digs are those then. Perhaps you could demonstrate or are you lying in order to discredit me because you are gay and do not like to hear the truth.

I dunno. You brought it up. You delineate them. Your attempt at provocation is pathetic. I'm not gay -- and wouldn't be bothered if I were.

 

[sojourner]

Oh dear, you are escalating your delusions. It just cannot be mistaken but there is another that says the same and shows your desperation to wriggle out of this one

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Once again: The word "homosexual" isn't found in the Greek text. Period. It's an interpretation that's wholly unfounded exegetically.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I hate to break it to you but we ARE normal. Whether or not you accept me does not really matter to me. But I assure you, I am most definitely normal.

"You're not a freak of nature, you are nature" is a quote I've been fond of for many years.

Well, that one tells it all. I do not actually know if the word anal was used in biblical times, however, the act of anal sex, or as they put it, sodomy, is mention in many places in the bible, which shows that your are intellectually redundant on bible text, plus you are trying to catch me out rather than debate points of views. You just want to prove me wrong. You are making it personal with all of it's bias.

No, I just double checked. Even Focus on the Family (a group that is vehemently anti-gay) says it's OK within the boundaries of marriage. Another Christian source said pretty much nothing is off limits so long as it takes places within marriage and both partners are ok with it and enjoying themselves.

Even that you do not know the definition of a gay lifestyle shows your complete ignorance to this topic. You are judging the entire gay community by yourself.

So you're going to tell a homosexual woman she is ignorant of the topic because she doesn't fit into your preconcieved mold of what homosexuals are supposed to be like? And you call us bigots?

The earth was considered flat by science until science proved otherwise, too.

Science has never considered the Earth flat. Actually, most people knew the Earth was round long before what our contemporary understanding realizes - such as, most people by the time of Columbus knew the Earth was round, and even his voyage to find a trade route to that doesn't include passing through the Middle East would not have even worked or have been feasible if they thought the Earth was flat.

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

That was Paul, not Jesus.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

It's not Jesus saying that, nor does it mention anal sex.

 

[Serenity7855]

"You're not a freak of nature, you are nature" is a quote I've been fond of for many years.

No, I just double checked. Even Focus on the Family (a group that is vehemently anti-gay) says it's OK within the boundaries of marriage. Another Christian source said pretty much nothing is off limits so long as it takes places within marriage and both partners are ok with it and enjoying themselves.

I will stick with what God says and he says that it is an abomination.

So you're going to tell a homosexual woman she is ignorant of the topic because she doesn't fit into your preconcieved mold of what homosexuals are supposed to be like? And you call us bigots?[/QUOTE]

No

That was Paul, not Jesus.

As Jesus said, "whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."

It's not Jesus saying that, nor does it mention anal sex.

For some of the more astute of us it doesn't always need spelling out word for word to know what it is saying. You are being silly by questioning something that most people accept