Mormon Church To US Supreme Court: Ban Gay Marriage

[Serenity7855]

You mouth these platitudes but you do not live them. You can say you love me a million times but without showing that love, I don't believe you. Christ would show love and acceptance. You don't do that.

I you hypocrite. You have just said that I do not know you yet you claim here to know me sufficiently to know how I live my life.

You obviously do not know Christ and what his mission was. Christ would never show acceptance to sin, that is why he made it clear, in the New Testament, that sexual perversions were unacceptable.

 

[Serenity7855]

This is getting beyond parody. You are really telling a gay person she is "completely ignorant" about gay lifestyles, because she does not subscribe to your definition of one?
Whilst you, it seems, would rather "the entire gay community" conformed to your prejudiced stereotype.

This isn't about me. It is about gay marriage. If you want to debate then debate my opinions without insulting my person.

 

[Serenity7855]

I hate to break it to you but we ARE normal. Whether or not you accept me does not really matter to me. But I assure you, I am most definitely normal.

That is your opinion and what I would expect you to say.

 

[Demonslayer]

Yes they do, but I am not getting angry at the obvious bigotry or your needless digs.

People like you is why Christianity is rapidly dying. Biblical literalists who warp any good messages that Jesus is supposed to represent are alienating younger people who don't understand the angry mobs of Christians on street corners holding signs with anti-gay slurs.

In America, due to people like you, Christians are now commonly associated with bigotry. Congratulations.

 

[johnhanks]

This isn't about me. It is about gay marriage. If you want to debate then debate my opinions without insulting my person.

Oh no, not the ad hominem card again. Look, thoroughbred, I was addressing your opinions. Specifically, your opinion that another poster is " completely ignorant" about gay lifestyles because hers doesn't match what you think a gay lifestyle should be, and your opinion that "the entire gay community" have some homogeneous lifestyle on which you can speak with authority.

 

[Serenity7855]

It always amazes me when alleged Christians make these claims. I note that you hold to the verses about male to male sex as tightly as a quarterback holds his football. So for you, the mention, using your words, of slavery is no longer germane but the issue of being gay, which btw, is never mentioned in the Bible and furthermore, Christ never said one word about it, is one that you will adhere to like gorilla glue. Interesting, to say the least.

This is a religious forum and this thread is debating Gay marriage. Of course the subject of gays is going to arise.

Be careful when just repeating what other posters say without testing it first

Romans 1:27
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Sodomy is mention in the bible many times and this verse from Romans was spoken by Jesus. You don't know what you are talking about. Do you really think that there would be this much controversy of homosexuality if it was not mentioned in the bible? You trust the words of a atheist yet you denounce the words of a Christian.

 

[Serenity7855]

Oh no, not the ad hominem card again. Look, thoroughbred, I was addressing your opinions. Specifically, your opinion that another poster is " completely ignorant" about gay lifestyles because hers doesn't match what you think a gay lifestyle should be, and your opinion that "the entire gay community" have some homogeneous lifestyle on which you can speak with authority.

Are you speaking with authority now?

 

[Demonslayer]

Sodomy is mention in the bible many times and this verse from Romans was spoken by Jesus. You don't know what you are talking about. Do you really think that there would be this much controversy of homosexuality if it was not mentioned in the bible?

The story of Sodom was about all decadent behavior not just sexual. Also, heterosexuals engage in sodomy as well.

You don't even understand your silly book of tall tales! Imagine that, you live your life based on poor interpretation of one story. Holy cow!

 

[Demonslayer]

Do you have a cardboard sign that says God Hates F*gs? You should get one.

 

[johnhanks]

Are you speaking with authority now?

As I am addressing only the views expressed in your posts, I do believe so. Do you propose to defend those views?

 

[Serenity7855]

People like you is why Christianity is rapidly dying. Biblical literalists who warp any good messages that Jesus is supposed to represent are alienating younger people who don't understand the angry mobs of Christians on street corners holding signs with anti-gay slurs.

In America, due to people like you, Christians are now commonly associated with bigotry. Congratulations.

You are doing it again. This is not about me and my person. We are debating gay marriage we are not trying to insult serenity the most. Get off my back you trouble making zealot with a spiteful tongue. You have made it all to clear that you are not here to debate.

 

[Serenity7855]

Do you have a cardboard sign that says God Hates F*gs? You should get one.

I now must block you, therefore, nothing you write will be seen by me. You are not good for any debating forum when you insult they members.

 

[Serenity7855]

As I am addressing only the views expressed in your posts, I do believe so. Do you propose to defend those views?

Then you need to be careful as the thread is about gay marriage so if you address what I say in my post I might say something off topic and by you responding to it only takes it further off topic. If I were you I would use wisdom before replying to insure that your replies do not take the thread off topic or insult members.

 

[Demonslayer]

I now must block you, therefore, nothing you write will be seen by me. You are not good for any debating forum when you insult they members.

Awww, you can sling hate but can't take it in return. Typical.

 

[johnhanks]

Then you need to be careful as the thread is about gay marriage so if you address what I say in my post I might say something off topic and by you responding to it only takes it further off topic. If I were you I would use wisdom before replying to insure that your replies do not take the thread off topic...

Which seems to be a long-winded way of saying no, you are not proposing to defend the views in question.

...or insult members.

Can you quote the words with which I insulted you? As opposed, that is, to being critical of the views you expressed?

 

[Demonslayer]

I now must block you, therefore, nothing you write will be seen by me. You are not good for any debating forum when you insult they members.

Besides, all I did was ask if you had a sign. Do you have that kind of sign? They do exist you know.

Lots of Christians who want to marginalize gay people stand on street corners with cardboard signs that have anti-gay slurs on them. You must be aware of that right?

It's not me doing it, I'm just pointing out a fact, and asking if you own such a sign.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I continue to feel that there was no need to change "marriage". It seems that a lot, if not all, of these issues could have been resolved by substituting such terms as "spouse" with "life partner".

The word itself matters in some contexts. For instance, some countries honour foreign marriages (including same-sex marriages), but not foreign civil unions.

Anyhow, there's nothing stopping you from holding views on what you think constitutes "real" marriage that differs from civil law. Some denominations have been doing this for years when it comes to divorce and remarriage; you can do the same with same-sex marriage if it suits you.

 

[sojourner]

The earth was considered flat by science until science proved otherwise, too. It was considered impossible to travel faster than 30 MPH by science until science proved otherwise. Likewise with the sound barrier, space travel, and powered flight

That's right. Science has proved otherwise about homosexuality. My point stands.

I haven't

When you say that science says that homosexuality is an illness, you're quoting old science that's no longer cogent.

Annual sacrifices were a similitude of the coming of the Savior sent by God. The Shepherd's firstborn lamb is a similitude to Gods first born and most perfect son who would be sacrificed in innocence. When Jesus turned up the prophecy of his coming was fulfilled and blood sacrifices no longer needed

Right -- that's my point! Old information. We don't view salvation that way anymore. Nor should we view homosexuality through an old science lens anymore.

No, we do not need blood sacrifices as the coming of Christ has been fulfilled and the Mosaic Laws were also fulfilled at the same time

Neither do we need to tag homosexuality with an outdated judgment.

 

[sojourner]

Yes they do, but I am not getting angry at the obvious bigotry or your needless digs.

There is no bigotry bring slung at you. "Obvious" or otherwise. The "digs" are not needless, for your statements constitute complicity in the prevailing institutional violence, and they must be resisted. Otherwise the violence will continue unabated.

 

[sojourner]

I you hypocrite. You have just said that I do not know you yet you claim here to know me sufficiently to know how I live my life.

You obviously do not know Christ and what his mission was. Christ would never show acceptance to sin, that is why he made it clear, in the New Testament, that sexual perversions were unacceptable.

Christ would also be honest about what sin is. Yet you're being disingenuous. Jesus was obviously not talking about homosexuality.