Is God's existence necessary?

[ArtieE]

Why don't you just explain the evidence that validates the notion that purpose is an evolutionary trait It would be a lot easier.

We evolved a survival instinct. The purpose of many surgeries is to ensure that people survive. You really don't see the connection between the evolved instinct and that these surgeries have a purpose determined by evolution?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Wrong. Every objection you raise against dark energy could be used equally well against gravity because neither are measured directly but are measured by their effects on matter. We noticed the measurements and then named the processes that are not yet understood.....for both gravity and dark energy.

It's interesting that you don't refute a single fact that I listed but revert to a whiny "oh my god nooesss somehow I'm right and you're wrong because I don't want to look at the obvious facts"

Go talk to a physics professor and get your mind right. If you would like help finding a physics professor in your area I will be glad to help you. Just message me.

Here is how science measures gravity....Fgrav = (Gm1m2)/d2

Show me how science measures dark energy....????

 

[prometheus11]

I already showed you one way in which dark energy is measured.

The formula you provide above uses observation of matter. NO DIRECT MEASUREMENT. Exactly like the measurements for dark energy.

Dark energy and gravity are both detected by measurements made on the movements of matter.

Would you like for me to make some contacts in your area for you to talk to a physics professor?

 

[KBC1963]

Scientific inquiry is based on observable evidence and the ability to perform repeatable tests. Now if it is a standard assertion that "survival instinct evolved" what is your reference to the repeatable empirical test that backs such a claim? No one should make an assertion based on what is claimed to be a scientific understanding (evolution) unless one follows the requisite steps of the scientific method which is the foundation of forming a scientific understanding.

 

[leibowde84]

Scientific inquiry is based on observable evidence and the ability to perform repeatable tests. Now if it is a standard assertion that "survival instinct evolved" what is your reference to the repeatable empirical test that backs such a claim? No one should make an assertion based on what is claimed to be a scientific understanding (evolution) unless one follows the requisite steps of the scientific method which is the foundation of forming a scientific understanding.

Who is this in response to?

 

[KBC1963]

Who is this in response to?

Anyone asserting that survival instinct evolved.

 

[leibowde84]

Anyone asserting that survival instinct evolved.

What are you asking for specifically?

 

[prometheus11]

Anyone asserting that survival instinct evolved.

I assert.

Proof: predators and camouflage.

 

[KBC1963]

What are you asking for specifically?

Do you see the little question mark in my post (just like this one) ?
When you see this symbol used it is typically preceded by the actual question being posed.
Scientific inquiry is based on observable evidence and the ability to perform repeatable tests. Now if it is a standard assertion that "survival instinct evolved" what is your reference to the repeatable empirical test that backs such a claim? No one should make an assertion based on what is claimed to be a scientific understanding (evolution) unless one follows the requisite steps of the scientific method which is the foundation of forming a scientific understanding.

 

[KBC1963]

I assert. Proof: predators and camouflage.

Camouflage is not an instinct. Let us consult the dictionary;
Instinct
1. an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli.
"birds have an instinct to build nests"

 

[prometheus11]

KBC, are you suggesting that because we have never observed Pluto orbit the sun (it takes almost a thousand years), that science shouldn't assert that it does? Do you understand how the scientific method infers from available evidence?

 

[prometheus11]

Camouflage is not an instinct. Let us consult the dictionary;
Instinct
1. an innate, typically fixed pattern of behavior in animals in response to certain stimuli.
"birds have an instinct to build nests"

Using camouflage is an instinct. I assumed you would have realized this, but I'll do better at spelling things out for you.

 

[KBC1963]

KBC, are you suggesting that because we have never observed Pluto orbit the sun (it takes almost a thousand years), that science shouldn't assert that it does? Do you understand how the scientific method infers from available evidence?

Pluto's course can be defined mathematically based on current observable evidence thus, the observable evidence and repeatable observations confirm its path. This is actual scientific observation combined with repeatable observable tests. So what available evidence that is repeatable backs the assertion that survival instinct evolved?

Understanding the Scientific Method
The scientific method consists of six steps:

1. Define purpose (through observation or asking questions)
2. Construct hypothesis
3. Test the hypothesis and data collection
4. Analyze data
5. Draw conclusion
6. Communicate results

The scientific method is employed when creating and executing an experiment. The purpose of the scientific method is to have a systematic way of testing ideas and reporting results in the process of scientific inquiry. A key component of the use of the scientific method is that it ensures that the experiment should be able to be replicated by anyone. If that is not possible, then the results are considered invalid.

The process of executing an experiment using the scientific method also ensures that data is recorded and able to be shared so that any bias on the part of the scientist performing the experiment can be reduced. Furthermore, the communication of the results allows for peers to review the work to ensure that the results are precise and accurate.
Read more at http://examples.yourdictionary.com/scientific-method-examples.html#zPoSwUgGGplsKuFT.99

 

[KBC1963]

Using camouflage is an instinct. I assumed you would have realized this, but I'll do better at spelling things out for you.

camouflage is typically referenced to an animals shape or color patterning, however, one may stretch such meaning to include how the animal may move which can be considered instinctual but, the question I posed would still be unanswered by your assertion since you have not provided a reference to the scientifically repeatable testing that would back how instinct evolved?

 

[prometheus11]

Science infers that the instinct for survival evolved for the same reason that science infers that Pluto orbits the sun although science has not directly observed the repetition of either event.

Because we don't know of any factors affecting biological development other than the evolutionary process, and we observe evolution hourly in thousands of labs across the globe each day, and because survivability is at the core of evolution, there is no other "place" for the survival instinct to come from.

My guess is that there are many many more data points indicating that survival instinct evolved than data points indicating that Pluto orbits the sun. I happen to know an evolutionary biologist, so I will try to confirm that suspicion, but the holidays might stand in our way. Shall I attempt to contact her on this matter?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Science infers that the instinct for survival evolved for the same reason that science infers that Pluto orbits the sun although science has not directly observed the repetition of either event.

Because we don't know of any factors affecting biological development other than the evolutionary process, and we observe evolution hourly in thousands of land across the globe each day, and because survivability is at the core of evolution, there is no other "place" for the survival instinct to come from.

My guess is that there are many many more data points indicating that survival instinct evolved than data points indicating that Pluto orbits the sun. I happen to know an evolutionary biologist, so I will try to confirm that suspicion, but the holidays might stand in our way. Shall I attempt to contact her on this matter?

aka: argument from ignorance

 

[prometheus11]

aka: argument from ignorance

I don't understand what you are intending, here.

 

[McBell]

aka: argument from ignorance

that is just too cute....

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I already showed you one way in which dark energy is measured.

The formula you provide above uses observation of matter. NO DIRECT MEASUREMENT. Exactly like the measurements for dark energy.

Dark energy and gravity are both detected by measurements made on the movements of matter.

Would you like for me to make some contacts in your area for you to talk to a physics professor?

The reason why you are obfuscating on the issue of my request to you to show me the formula for the measurement of dark matter is that it does not exist... This is how science measures gravity....Fgrav = (Gm1m2)/d2 ..just show me how science measures dark energy if you say it can.....isn't that a simple solution to end this exchange?

 

[prometheus11]

I'm not obfuscating at all. You are.

I've provided one way that dark energy is measured, but you don't accept it, so I'm uninterested in explaining the other ways it's measured.

What you cannot deny are the facts:

1. Gravity is NOT directly measured, but it's effects on matter are measured.

2. Dark energy is NOT directly measured, but it's effects on matter are measured.

Both gravity and dark energy are NAMES given to effects observed on matter.

Would you like for me to try to find a professor of physics in your area to discuss this with you???

Answer please.