McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Way to miss the point.
Though it is no surprise you ignore the fact that religion is the one making absolute claims while science is actually looking for truth.
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The contributions of Religion to sciences
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Though it is no surprise you ignore the fact that religion is the one making absolute claims while science is actually looking for truth.
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Thus how science resembles religion, right?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I like your point.
Regards
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Surely you know the answer to that.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
You are right of course, it was an unfair comparison- astrology and climatology obviously operate on completely different levels of scientific integrity;
Astrologers do not accept a penny of political sponsorship, they are not paid to deliver any specific opinion. My apologies to any astrologers I may have offended
Politesse
Amor Vincit Omnia
I feel like I'm trying to answer whether the English language has contributed to science. Or systems of kinship. Or the white race. Or some other connected yet slightly irrelevant social fact.
In truth, I doubt very much that science and religion could be easily delineated. Organized religious bodies can be expected to take umbrage with scientists and vice versa because they are often peddling different answers to the basic questions of life, but the curiosity that drives human speculation about the beyond is the same impulse regardless of the dressing one finds it in. Between the magical practices of various traditions, there are basic similarities in goal and method, among them induction and the quest for objectivity. I love science and think that it is really cool and very effective at ferreting out inaccurate answers to material issues. But it is part of, neither at odds with nor identical to the religious dimension of my life.
In truth, I doubt very much that science and religion could be easily delineated. Organized religious bodies can be expected to take umbrage with scientists and vice versa because they are often peddling different answers to the basic questions of life, but the curiosity that drives human speculation about the beyond is the same impulse regardless of the dressing one finds it in. Between the magical practices of various traditions, there are basic similarities in goal and method, among them induction and the quest for objectivity. I love science and think that it is really cool and very effective at ferreting out inaccurate answers to material issues. But it is part of, neither at odds with nor identical to the religious dimension of my life.
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Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
There are scientific reasons for the dynamic nature of Earth's climate that are far more interesting, useful and productive areas of study than the anthropomorphic political ones which date back thousands of years in one form or another.
But it's arguably the most complex, chaotic and inherently unpredictable system we know of in the entire universe. We may never fully understand it, and that's the point here
I'm sitting closer to the equator than the pole, in an area which was covered in a vast sheet of ice only a few thousand years ago. It has been retreating ever since, thousands of miles without the help of a single SUV. Let's hope that trend does not reverse in our lifetimes or we and our descendants may have a real problem to worry about, requiring no computer simulations
If you 'understand' how 2 extra molecules CO2 in 10,000 of air can somehow overpower such immense natural forces- I'd be very interested to hear it.
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leibowde84
Veteran Member
Science, or the scientific method, is a process that demands certain things.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Are you suggesting a conspiracy theory where scientists are paid to provide fraudulent theories and evidence? If so, can you back that up at all?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
No never leibowde, if there's one thing we know about political agencies, it's that they are the most honest, trustworthy, benevolent sources of information possible
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Again- it depends on which 'expert's we are talking about-
Do you mean the people IPCC refer to explicitly as 'experts' like
Cassandra Brooke, World Wildlife Fund International
Sharmind Neelormi, GenderCC-Women for Climate Justice
Habiba Gitay, The World Bank
or the 10's of thousands of qualified independent scientists who consider GW a humiliation to science?
Because there is no secret conspiracy here about who pays the former, the I in IPCC stands for intergovernmental
But if you are proposing a giant conspiracy theory where evil oil companies are paying off every skeptic- that's going to be far more difficult to back up
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Political agencies? What do you mean?
leibowde84
Veteran Member
This is merely unsubstantiated speculation though. Where are you getting your 10s of thousands number from?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
see above, the I in IPCC stands for intergovernmental not independent
Here are >30,000 independent sources
http://www.petitionproject.org/
but there are lots more.
Again though, I am not a skeptic merely because skeptical scientists tend to have superior credentials, we can argue that all day, maybe 'women for climate justice', Al Gore and Leonardo Di Caprio are the greatest scientific minds on the planet, who knows?
There is no way around the fact that science is a method, not a consensus,
"it doesn't take a thousand scientists, it takes one fact' paraphrasing Einstein
McBell
mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Yes, I suspect i do.
You ar going to sugar coat your rose coloured glasses to justify your denial of the change.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Nothing could be more obvious than the fact that the Government is not in concensus when it comes to Climate Change. So, I don't get why them being a Government Agency would give reason to think that they are biased or in some conspiracy to provide false information to the public. And, why did you say "political agency" before? You realize that is a completely different type of organization, right? That is basic stuff.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
He points out that the ToE will be improved upon in the future all the time.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
sci·ence
ˈsīəns/
noun
- the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
10 years?! What does that have to do with anything. We are talking about a warming trend over hundreds of years. A 10 year increment doesn't say anything about climate change.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
What do you even mean by this? I've never heard of "science" being referred to as an entity like this. There is no authority in science, as it is constantly evolving, so I don't get your meaning here.