Why did you leave GOD?

[JustCallMeNick]

When a person has a relationship, they first believe each other exists to have one. Second, if they break up on muteral understanding, like myself, thats fine. If one party did something to another, that may be a means for a break up. For example, if I threw away the Eucharist (please dont), I did something to God. If God asked too much of me, say asked me to kill my child if I had one, I would leave.

And that is exactly the problem with the "personal relationship" analogy theists (especially Christians) often make. Imagine you said you had girlfriend but you had never seen her, heard her speak, nor had any direct evidence she even existed. Even though you frequently spoke to her, performed acts of love for her publicly and privately, poured your heart and all your most intimate thoughts out to her, she never did the same for you. That is essentially what happens between believers and God. Now, they may say in response that they "see" and "hear" God, or he communicates with them, etc, but unless they're literally talking about a vision, this is all indirect. They subjectively feel the presence of God near them, an inspirational or insightful thought comes to them during prayer or worship, they read a passage from Scripture and apply it to their own situation, they go through unlikely circumstances and surmise that God "must" have been involved, and so on. Eventually, a certain percentage of folks come to the realization that their "relationship" with God is strangely one-sided, and the silence becomes deafening. And so, they realize that the entire time there has not been someone else on the other end of the line. Thus, they leave theism.

If you notice some of the posts answers. One said God did nothing.

Yea - that was me. Non-existent beings don't do much. Again - that's the point.

Im not a practicing christian nor believer any god believing faiths.

I didn't say you were. I said you seem to be perpetuating a common stereotype of non-believers by the way your question is phrased.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Nice. Thank you. I feel somewhat the same way with the Church. One of those things.

Yes, I had with all at various times (not Him but them, Hindus are polytheists). They did not do anything to make me leave them. Well, I have not completely left them, I still love them dearly as characters of my mythology and I would not let anyone speak bad of them. I still have a special strong cultural relationship with them. In spite of being an atheist, I remain a staunch Hindu.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Im having a conversation in another thread, and a question just popped up.

To those who left from God-believing faiths.

Did you have a personal relationship with God?

EDIT: In this question, you must have believed God existed and had a personal relationship to answer the next question, what did HE do to make you leave rather than why did you leave Him.

If so, how did HE, not scripture (contradictions, terrible events, etc), not how you were raised (non religious, indoctrinated, etc), not your environment (other peer believers) influence you to leave your faith?

What did HE do to you that made you leave?

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What I hear most is: "because I read the bible and see contradictions" or "its not rational and compatible with science" or "I just realized God does not exist. Hes just a fairy tale"

EDIT: What did God do in yojr personal relationship with Him to make you leave Him?

I believe that I had what is often refereed to as a personal relationship with god. However as time went on I began to doubt. The feelings and emotions that I would get from "God" and the feeling of "god's presence" began to be made known in examples where there were no appeals to god. And the more I understood the more I realized that it wasn't actually god that was giving me these feelings. It was within me the whole time. That closeness I found with god was a delusion.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I didn't say you were. I said you seem to be perpetuating a common stereotype of non-believers by the way your question is phrased.

I didnt mean to. I was more gearing towards people who "knew" literally and spiritually God exists and walked away because of something He either did or not do.

That would mean, in the analogy, you poured your heart out to this person and you know he exists but something he did or didnt do made you leave (prerequiste, He has to exist first)

If He never did, the question is mute.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To wrap up, basically what I am getting is no one had or wants a personal relationship with God because either He was not there to help people or Hes an illusion. Right?

What about people who knows He exist, knows they were in love with Him AND left Him?

Did He do something to where you "wanted" (preference) to leave? Was it His blue suite and you like green?

What is your preference for someone else rather than the God you fell in love with?

Anyone reading this thread can answer. People who believe He doesnt exist would find it an invalid question to answer. I understand that.

 

[Unification]

God doesn't allow anything. God sustains life and experience. Light and darkness. Universe is built on opposites. Can't experience one without the other, polar opposites of the spectrum of experience. The potential between the polar opposites that make experience possible. It's impossible for experience and conscious/life (God) to exist if there is was only one side to the spectrum. It is the infinite number of potential perspectives one can take between the two that gives rise to individual experiences. Good and evil are just labels that our ego's assign to experiences. This life is about us, why are we going to an outside God for our answers? God is within you. And if God is experiencing through us, we realize that ourselves and God are one beyond these seemingly individual and separate experiences.

It's not even fair to question "why?" The question "why?" Just leads to more suffering and need not be necessary. It's always ignored until tragedy strikes and then raw emotions explode and wreak havoc on our understanding of God, life, and the universe.

Most of the times we ask "why?" and take the responsibility off ourselves and therefore forfeit our lives for the chance to BE. To do this is to perpetuate suffering and the unconscious experience. We are all one and an extension of one another anyhow. God created light and the darkness and the opportunity to experience peace or to experience suffering. God created the opportunity for BEING. And we are a grand part of this infinite journey. And so is everyone and everything else. God gave us the opportunity to create and then experience peace or suffering, and either one is our own choice. Neither is right or wrong, but they are either joyous or painful. So what will we sow? Peace and joy, love and truth, or pain and suffering, hate and lies? Since it’s about us, only we have the ability to choose and BE.

Why God created life in the first place. God didn't create us to love and cherish. God created us so that WE could love and cherish. The emphasis is on US. We are the limited extensions of "God's" infinite nature, and WE are vehicles in which God(consciousness/life) grows. Waking up, conscious awareness. Evolution of consciousness.

Religion has taught us to look to another source as the reason and answer to our existence, when all the time is should be so blatantly obvious that the reason and answer for our existence is us. And that’s acceptable to "God."

Why we cannot “search” for "God" outside of ourselves. We will not find "God" there. This is also the reason we will not find an answer to our experiences “outside” of ourselves, there is no reason there. All events in life that happen outside of us are just fleeting moments that pop into and out of existences from the spirit (consciousness/life) of infinite potential. So if one must ask why, one must take the journey within themselves. The journey to truth lies within us.

Cold realm and reality of physical nature. We are the only animal that "knows" it's going to die. Have to be ready for anything and conquer emotions. While the ugliest and nastiest stuff happen, it happens to millions of others, and physical death happens to all.

No one is free, mentally, until they are ready for all and anything possible. Birth and death are the same things. We've all already died millions of times. People put all of their effort into learning how to survive, when we should be learning how to live and to die, overcoming the mind, and physical reality of nature. Can't beat death but can stop it from beating us. About two people die every second, in any which possible way and at any possible age. Everything is balanced.

 

[Unification]

I left God because God allowed people to build empires out of charnel houses and turn continents into graveyards. Because God left a small lake of what used to men, women & children for me to fall into. Its been 7 years and I can still smell it. I counted 12 teeth in the "soup". None of them were big enough to be adult.

And here "you" are now, experiencing in the balanced universe. Maybe one of those bodies was you in a prior conscious life.

 

[Nietzsche]

And here "you" are now, experiencing in the balanced universe. Maybe one of those bodies was you in a prior conscious life.

The grave wasn't remotely that old.'92-93' or so.

 

[Nietzsche]

To wrap up, basically what I am getting is no one had or wants a personal relationship with God because either He was not there to help people or Hes an illusion. Right?

What about people who knows He exist, knows they were in love with Him AND left Him?

Did He do something to where you "wanted" (preference) to leave? Was it His blue suite and you like green?

What is your preference for someone else rather than the God you fell in love with?

Anyone reading this thread can answer. People who believe He doesnt exist would find it an invalid question to answer. I understand that.

I believed and then I was faced with something I cannot reconcile with the God of Abraham being a figure worthy of worship. I turned away because anyone who would allow such things to happen doesn't deserve to be revered or remembered fondly. To allow the likes of Milosevic to come to power and perpetrate another genocide barely 50 years after the previous one? That is simply inexcusable & unforgivable.

 

[Unification]

I believed and then I was faced with something I cannot reconcile with the God of Abraham being a figure worthy of worship. I turned away because anyone who would allow such things to happen doesn't deserve to be revered or remembered fondly. To allow the likes of Milosevic to come to power and perpetrate another genocide barely 50 years after the previous one? That is simply inexcusable & unforgivable.

Worshipping "God" would be cherishing life and consciousness... Which is everyone and everything in a loving and peaceful manner. We are all an extension of one another. We, ourselves "allow" all of this to happen. Everything is balanced. While one person's life is very unfortunate, another's is very fortunate. The fortunate and unforunate ones need to both learn the truth about life, and show no partiality to others and hold ourselves accountable. We will reap what we sow. In this life, and the following conscious experiences. Do as to others as you'd want done to you. What we do to each other, we are doing it to "God/consciousness/life."

Milosevic is alive somewhere, maybe evolving at the bottom of the ocean experiencing hell as the bottom of the food chain all over, maybe as a bacteria cell in the belly of a worm, or as a human somewhere who will go through extreme experience of suffering for his actions. Maybe all of the folks who suffered at his evil hands, were folks who were evil and murderers in a prior conscious experience. Mankind has created a mess of life by living in their minds and being condescending and self centered. It's really simple, why when one becomes a spiritual being and escapes the mind and cold animal realm, nothing can bother us and we see the truth and reality of life, and realize that we are all an extension and one with the collective conscious/unconscious. We don't have to ask "why?" any longer. Maybe if we don't, we will just go extinct and a million years from now, a different evolved, more spiritual species will be digging up our bones, and all of life evolving and born from those beings will have no choice but to be spiritual and loving and peaceful because it's all that will be existing on earth and there will be no evil conditioning by animal minded people. It will be "heaven on earth" but not before we extinct ourselves or change.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

To wrap up, basically what I am getting is no one had or wants a personal relationship with God because either He was not there to help people or Hes an illusion. Right?

What about people who knows He exist, knows they were in love with Him AND left Him?

Did He do something to where you "wanted" (preference) to leave? Was it His blue suite and you like green?

What is your preference for someone else rather than the God you fell in love with?

Anyone reading this thread can answer. People who believe He doesn't exist would find it an invalid question to answer. I understand that.

The problem we're having trouble communicating to you is this:

We once believed that he existed; we once believed we had a "personal relationship" with this being; but through reason or life experiences (or both), we came upon the conclusion that he did not exist and that our "personal relationship" wasn't real -- even though it felt real.

We're having difficulty with the tone of your question as the tone of your question is quite implicit that "He is real"; a believe we no longer share with you.

Whatever chain of events unfolded in our lives, things occurred that caused us to question (or we chose to question) the validity of our belief that he existed and that we had a personal relationship with him

In short: What did he do? As one poster put it: "Nothing."

 

[Unveiled Artist]

we came upon the conclusion that he did not exist and that

I have to stop you here. No. You still believe he exists. You just no longer have a relationship with Him.

I still believe my ex exists. Shes married to someone else.
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The last point, I was hoping there were a variety of answers not just "God did nothing." Im sure God did other things (whether or not its true) that would make one leave him. I listed a few examples earlier.

This question isnt for hard stone atheists. You have to believe He exists to have a relationship.

If you did, one person in that relation-ship broken it off or you guys came to muteral agreement to end the relationship.

 

[Whiterain]

I told this story in Chat, but I'll tell it again because it's relevant to this;

I was in Bosnia in 2008-2009. I was doing some sight-seeing in the Balkans(this was a bit of a detour from my tour of Holocaust locations in the rest of Europe), and I'd just left the Banat region of Serbia(you can see where an ooooooold German community used to live there, was awesome). I was in a hilly area in Bosnia, not too far from Sarajevo, and decided to take some painkillers. So I did, and then started down a hill that looked much less steep than it was. As I skid down, it got softer & softer and eventually I lost footing.

I fell down, and tried to catch myself on the ground with my right hand & arm. My arm didn't stop on the ground. It went through. I was up to my elbow in what I can only describe as "people soup". I'd literally fallen into a mass grave. The smell was unlike anything I'd ever smelt before. Sickly sweet. Imagine someone burning sugar, meat & fruit all in the same pan. It took me a minute to realize what I fell into. I thought it was a sewage pit or some ****, but then I saw teeth(tiny, tiny teeth) and shreds of clothes and...yeah.

That was the last nail in the coffin for my faith in the God of Abraham. A week or so prior, I was at Mauthausen, where I read something an inmate had scratched into a board;

"Wenn es einen Gott gibt muß er mich um Verzeihung bitten."

"If there is a God, He will have to beg my forgiveness."

This work as an answer?

This is a sufficient answer.

I grew more and more audacious and blasphemous with the Abrahamic Omnipresent Judeo Over Lord and came to realize Gods that weren't a universal answer, or a God that conformed to every trend in society. I came to realized an acceptable God by myself, Odin, who may not be everywhere and able to stop everything, but he stopped me and his direction is in my favor.

He's said Demon by choice, I believe, but so have other Gods.

The contemporary understanding of "God" has costed people much when they must mettle, but they put faith in celestial beings that aren't even there at the time. People have been murdered praying for divine intervention, I got it and didn't totally need it, but I am grateful. I claim what I have experienced as divine intervention and it changed my lifes course from grim to reasonable easy and lucrative - Odin and other Gods, even Loki, seemed to sincerely care about my direction in life. What I face now is the bane sadism and punishment of most people living a happy and good life.

I was in Bosnia as well. Herzegovina. Beautiful place full of bullet holes and mostly women. The Genocide took place there was an ethnic cleansing. The population is mostly women, and stunning beautiful women at that.

 

[Unification]

The problem we're having trouble communicating to you is this:

We once believed that he existed; we once believed we had a "personal relationship" with this being; but through reason or life experiences (or both), we came upon the conclusion that he did not exist and that our "personal relationship" wasn't real -- even though it felt real.

We're having difficulty with the tone of your question as the tone of your question is quite implicit that "He is real"; a believe we no longer share with you.

Whatever chain of events unfolded in our lives, things occurred that caused us to question (or we chose to question) the validity of our belief that he existed and that we had a personal relationship with him

In short: What did he do? As one poster put it: "Nothing."

You do have a personal relationship with "this being." You are "being." You are a human "being" and you are "conscious" and "alive." It's within your own conscious and everyone arounds you's conscious.

Saying "he is real" is the same as saying "life/consciousness" is real.

God is consciousness/life.

In order for God(consciousness/life) to experience, consciousness/life needs a physical body of matter to reside in. You and everything else that's alive.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I have to stop you here. No. You still believe he exists. You just no longer have a relationship with Him.

I still believe my ex exists. Shes married to someone else.
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The last point, I was hoping there were a variety of answers not just "God did nothing." Im sure God did other things (whether or not its true) that would make one leave him. I listed a few examples earlier.

This question isnt for hard stone atheists. You have to believe He exists to have a relationship.

If you did, one person in that relation-ship broken it off or you guys came to muteral agreement to end the relationship.

Don't tell me what I believe. That is condescending, patronizing, and you assuming knowledge you can not possibly know. Obviously, you did not read my post where I outlined, step by step in some pretty relevant detail, how I came from there to here. My feelings of a "personal relationship" with him a long time ago was self-deception and delusion. The "relationship" existed only in my mind. I hold the same to be true for you: you are having a delusion of a personal relationship with a fantasy.

 

[Unification]

Don't tell me what I believe. That is condescending, patronizing, and you assuming knowledge you can not possibly know. Obviously, you did not read my post where I outlined, step by step in some pretty relevant detail, how I came from there to here. My feelings of a "personal relationship" with him a long time ago was self-deception and delusion. The "relationship" existed only in my mind. I hold the same to be true for you: you are having a delusion of a personal relationship with a fantasy.

It really is kind of a delusion, a personal relationship with a fantasy we individually and uniquely create in our own minds, defining images and what we think God should do or be. We just need to realize the magic in the natural which is life/consciousness. We've all had or have some created concepts of what God should be. God is just a metaphor for consciousness/life. God just is. Consciousness residing in matter. God doesn't allow anything directly. We ourselves allow it. That invisible subtle undetectable force holding everything together and making life possible, balancing everything collectively. God just holds everything together and sustains all conscious life. Nature. When scientists, etc study the cosmos and life or evolution of life, they are just indirectly studying the brain/mind of God (conscious/life) When most religions look into the sky and expect to see a physical individual sky daddy person doing supernatural things, they don't... And say it's about "faith." The entire point is living and being, in love and peace and having no partiality to others. It's really simple, and when one knows the truth of life.. Higher consciousness... All the silly and irrelevant things out there are just a waste of time. We all might as well learn to live in the present, the now. Everything else is irrelevant. Creation is still going on NOW and that which was (life) and is(life) and is to come(life) is not going to stop.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You in general. Not YOU. Now I will read the rest of your post. If you feel I said something insultive ask or phrase your concern respectfully.

Thank you

Don't tell me what I believe. That is condescending, patronizing, and you assuming knowledge you can not possibly know. Obviously, you did not read my post where I outlined, step by step in some pretty relevant detail, how I came from there to here. My feelings of a "personal relationship" with him a long time ago was self-deception and delusion. The "relationship" existed only in my mind. I hold the same to be true for you: you are having a delusion of a personal relationship with a fantasy.

I have to stop you here. No. You still believe he exists. You just no longer have a relationship with Him.

I have to stop you right there. No. You (all) still believe He exists. You all just dont have a personal relationship with him

Aka. John still believes God exists. He doesnt have a personal relationship with God.

John Smith as in Jane Doe. Anynmous names.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Don't tell me what I believe. That is condescending, patronizing, and you assuming knowledge you can not possibly know. Obviously, you did not read my post where I outlined, step by step in some pretty relevant detail, how I came from there to here. My feelings of a "personal relationship" with him a long time ago was self-deception and delusion. The "relationship" existed only in my mind. I hold the same to be true for you: you are having a delusion of a personal relationship with a fantasy.

I read both posts. I am asking people who

1. believes God exists (no delusions)

2. Had a personal relationship with him (as i would my ex)

3 left God

Because of

4 Something he did (or didnt) do.

IF you, personally, found out he was a delusion, you can theorize the answer to the question. But you cant break up with a delusion.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

You directly quoted my post and said, "I must stop you there". So "You" was not generic; it was aimed directly towards me.

 

[Unification]

I read both posts. I am asking people who

1. believes God exists (no delusions)

2. Had a personal relationship with him (as i would my ex)

3 left God

Because of

4 Something he did (or didnt) do.

IF you, personally, found out he was a delusion, you can theorize the answer to the question. But you cant break up with a delusion.

1. Consciousness/life exists. I exist.

2. "Him" creates delusion and gender. Anyone we have personal relationship with, animal, or human, ourselves.. It's a relationship with consciousness/life.

3. It's not possible to leave consciousness/life.

4. "He" creates delusion and gender. Consciousness/life is sustained. Expectations are delusional and dangerous. When they fail, one blames. Anything that happens to us indirectly or directly is experienced with and through ourselves and through and with others (God-consciousness/life)